"jps" wrote in message
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In article GXIKb.78889$xX.558024@attbi_s02, says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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When Pat Robertson makes a statement that God has already called the
2004
election in favor of GWB, he's dismissed as a lovable old kook, not a
spokesman.
When Anne Coulter accuses everyone left of center in the country of
"treason",
it's defended as freedom of speech.

The right needs to walk carefully. Very easy to trip over a double
standard and
land smack on your nose.


It sounds to me like you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the
"right" of doing. Many conservatives find the right wing radio host
boring
and predictable, and do not listen to them, but still consider
themselves
conservatives.

I disagree, since I work with and count as personal friends many who
consider themselves conservatives who consider Rush a buffoon. I'm
certain that Chuck has a similar experience.

Conversely, there's a number of fools in this group who utter dittospeak
on regular occasions, regular enough to recognize their
Rush/Savage/Coulter political pedigree.

I don't ever listen to any of those people, yet I get accused of parroting
them on a regular basis. Believe it or not, most conservatives can come to
the same opinion all on their own. All you have to do is apply a little
logic and reason to any situation. I'd surmise that *most* conservatives
are left-brained people...and most liberals are right-brained (and sometimes
no-brained) people.

jps,

If you read my post you would find that you are agreeing with me, not
disagreeing with me. I too find all of the talk radio hosts to be buffoons
who are not entertaining. My complaint with them, is they like to talk
about being balanced and unbiased, but they love to control and cut off
anyone who disagrees with them.

My point was that Gould thought all conservatives listen to and agree with
the "talking heads on TV and Radio. When he made that statement he was
guilty of doing the exact same thing he was accusing conservatives of doing.

You are correct that there are some people who believe every word uttered by
their favorite talking head, it does not mean that all or even most
conservatives do. Ignorant people on both sides of the political fence like
to find someone else to do their thinking and they repeat there favorite
buzz words and phrases. You will find both the conservative and the
liberals who are guilty of this.

I notice that in this NG there are favorite buzz words "borg", "Nazis", etc
used to demonize the enemy.



"jps" wrote in message
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In article GXIKb.78889$xX.558024@attbi_s02, says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
When Pat Robertson makes a statement that God has already called the
2004
election in favor of GWB, he's dismissed as a lovable old kook, not a
spokesman.
When Anne Coulter accuses everyone left of center in the country of
"treason",
it's defended as freedom of speech.

The right needs to walk carefully. Very easy to trip over a double
standard and
land smack on your nose.


It sounds to me like you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the
"right" of doing. Many conservatives find the right wing radio host
boring
and predictable, and do not listen to them, but still consider
themselves
conservatives.

I disagree, since I work with and count as personal friends many who
consider themselves conservatives who consider Rush a buffoon. I'm
certain that Chuck has a similar experience.

Conversely, there's a number of fools in this group who utter dittospeak
on regular occasions, regular enough to recognize their
Rush/Savage/Coulter political pedigree.

(Gould 0738) wrote in message ...
This wouldn't be news if it weren't for the RNC. The two ads were
submitted to MoveOn under a contest and MoveOn took no position as to
their validity or worthiness.

Of course, the fact that one of the commercials plainly said
"sponsored by moveon.org" at the end of the ad seems to have slipped
by your blinders. I love it when you guys forget the facts.

Typical.

Whatever the most extreme person on the left says, the rw establishment grabs
hold, raises it aloft, and says "See! This is what *all* liberals think!"

When Pat Robertson makes a statement that God has already called the 2004
election in favor of GWB, he's dismissed as a lovable old kook, not a
spokesman.
When Anne Coulter accuses everyone left of center in the country of "treason",
it's defended as freedom of speech.

The right needs to walk carefully. Very easy to trip over a double standard and
land smack on your nose.

Of course, the fact that one of the commercials plainly said
"sponsored by moveon.org" at the end of the ad seems to have slipped
by your blinders. I love it when you guys forget the facts.

The *fact* is that the ads didn't run in the media.. They were two ads out of a
much larger group of ads that were submitted to moveon.org as proposals to
consider for the upcomiong campaign.

It's no different than some redneck getting on a talk show and saying equally
ridiculous and hateful things about moderates or liberals. Are your radio hosts
liable for every opinion that their callers express on the air?

(Gould 0738) wrote in message ...
Of course, the fact that one of the commercials plainly said
"sponsored by moveon.org" at the end of the ad seems to have slipped
by your blinders. I love it when you guys forget the facts.

The *fact* is that the ads didn't run in the media.. They were two ads out of a
much larger group of ads that were submitted to moveon.org as proposals to
consider for the upcomiong campaign.

It's no different than some redneck getting on a talk show and saying equally
ridiculous and hateful things about moderates or liberals. Are your radio hosts
liable for every opinion that their callers express on the air?

Moveon.org vetted these commercials and allowed it to be aired with
the words "sponsored by moveon.org". Lie (it is really not spin when
it comes from someone so intellegent as you) if you want, but they put
it out, sponsored it, approved it, and now they are backing off it...