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"jps" wrote in message
...
In article GXIKb.78889$xX.558024@attbi_s02, says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
When Pat Robertson makes a statement that God has already called the
2004
election in favor of GWB, he's dismissed as a lovable old kook, not a
spokesman.
When Anne Coulter accuses everyone left of center in the country of
"treason",
it's defended as freedom of speech.

The right needs to walk carefully. Very easy to trip over a double
standard and
land smack on your nose.


It sounds to me like you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the
"right" of doing. Many conservatives find the right wing radio host
boring
and predictable, and do not listen to them, but still consider
themselves
conservatives.

I disagree, since I work with and count as personal friends many who
consider themselves conservatives who consider Rush a buffoon. I'm
certain that Chuck has a similar experience.

Conversely, there's a number of fools in this group who utter dittospeak
on regular occasions, regular enough to recognize their
Rush/Savage/Coulter political pedigree.

I don't ever listen to any of those people, yet I get accused of parroting
them on a regular basis. Believe it or not, most conservatives can come to
the same opinion all on their own. All you have to do is apply a little
logic and reason to any situation. I'd surmise that *most* conservatives
are left-brained people...and most liberals are right-brained (and sometimes
no-brained) people.

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jps,

If you read my post you would find that you are agreeing with me, not
disagreeing with me. I too find all of the talk radio hosts to be buffoons
who are not entertaining. My complaint with them, is they like to talk
about being balanced and unbiased, but they love to control and cut off
anyone who disagrees with them.

My point was that Gould thought all conservatives listen to and agree with
the "talking heads on TV and Radio. When he made that statement he was
guilty of doing the exact same thing he was accusing conservatives of doing.

You are correct that there are some people who believe every word uttered by
their favorite talking head, it does not mean that all or even most
conservatives do. Ignorant people on both sides of the political fence like
to find someone else to do their thinking and they repeat there favorite
buzz words and phrases. You will find both the conservative and the
liberals who are guilty of this.

I notice that in this NG there are favorite buzz words "borg", "Nazis", etc
used to demonize the enemy.



"jps" wrote in message
...
In article GXIKb.78889$xX.558024@attbi_s02, says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
When Pat Robertson makes a statement that God has already called the
2004
election in favor of GWB, he's dismissed as a lovable old kook, not a
spokesman.
When Anne Coulter accuses everyone left of center in the country of
"treason",
it's defended as freedom of speech.

The right needs to walk carefully. Very easy to trip over a double
standard and
land smack on your nose.


It sounds to me like you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the
"right" of doing. Many conservatives find the right wing radio host
boring
and predictable, and do not listen to them, but still consider
themselves
conservatives.

I disagree, since I work with and count as personal friends many who
consider themselves conservatives who consider Rush a buffoon. I'm
certain that Chuck has a similar experience.

Conversely, there's a number of fools in this group who utter dittospeak
on regular occasions, regular enough to recognize their
Rush/Savage/Coulter political pedigree.

OT--Dem sleaze tactics not working as planned.
 

The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of college
educated people are conservative and a substantially higher percent of those
who vote democratic have only completed high school or less.


"NOYB" wrote in message
ink.net...
"jps" wrote in message
...
In article GXIKb.78889$xX.558024@attbi_s02, says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
When Pat Robertson makes a statement that God has already called the
2004
election in favor of GWB, he's dismissed as a lovable old kook, not
a
spokesman.
When Anne Coulter accuses everyone left of center in the country of
"treason",
it's defended as freedom of speech.

The right needs to walk carefully. Very easy to trip over a double
standard and
land smack on your nose.


It sounds to me like you are doing the exact same thing you accuse the
"right" of doing. Many conservatives find the right wing radio host
boring
and predictable, and do not listen to them, but still consider
themselves
conservatives.

I disagree, since I work with and count as personal friends many who
consider themselves conservatives who consider Rush a buffoon. I'm
certain that Chuck has a similar experience.

Conversely, there's a number of fools in this group who utter dittospeak
on regular occasions, regular enough to recognize their
Rush/Savage/Coulter political pedigree.

I don't ever listen to any of those people, yet I get accused of parroting
them on a regular basis. Believe it or not, most conservatives can come
to
the same opinion all on their own. All you have to do is apply a little
logic and reason to any situation. I'd surmise that *most* conservatives
are left-brained people...and most liberals are right-brained (and
sometimes
no-brained) people.

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The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of college

educated people are conservative and a substantially higher percent of those

who vote democratic have only completed high school or less.

That sure seems logical. The audience for Limbaugh, Savage, etc is made up of
Phd's?

Must be primarily uneducated Democrats listening to those radio shows, since,
as you observed, people capable of independent thought don't need to be
spoon-fed a philosophy.

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"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:IjWKb.244489$8y1.1127737@attbi_s52...
The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of college
educated people are conservative

That's true for those with "some college" and "undergrad degrees". The
numbers are more even for those with "graduate degrees". Interestingly, I
saw a story the other day that said that women are more likely to vote
Democrat as they achieve higher levels of education...and men are more
likely to vote Republican as they achieve higher levels of education. They
go in the complete opposite direction!?

The only conclusion I could reach from this is that Harry has a vagina.





and a substantially higher percent of those
who vote democratic have only completed high school or less.

Actually, having completed high school makes someone more likely to vote
Republican. Having *less* than a high school diploma makes someone more
likely to vote Democrat.

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
That sure seems logical. The audience for Limbaugh, Savage, etc is made up
of
Phd's?

Must be primarily uneducated Democrats listening to those radio shows,
since,
as you observed, people capable of independent thought don't need to be
spoon-fed a philosophy.

Do you really see the world in as the black and white you conveyed in this
message?

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In article .net,
says...

"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:IjWKb.244489$8y1.1127737@attbi_s52...
The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of college
educated people are conservative

That's true for those with "some college" and "undergrad degrees". The
numbers are more even for those with "graduate degrees". Interestingly, I
saw a story the other day that said that women are more likely to vote
Democrat as they achieve higher levels of education...and men are more
likely to vote Republican as they achieve higher levels of education. They
go in the complete opposite direction!?

The only conclusion I could reach from this is that Harry has a vagina.

That speaks to your ability to synthesize information and draw
conclusions.

Way to go.

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Gould,

In reference to my black and white comment, no one is saying that all
conservatives are smart and all democrats are dumb. It is also important to
realize that a vast majority of conservatives do not listen to the talking
heads. It is also important to realize that many of the listeners to Rush
Limbaugh et all are liberals and moderates. The "talking heads" are in the
business of generating an audience and pushing hot buttons. It does not
matter if you agree or disagree as long as you listen.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of college

educated people are conservative and a substantially higher percent of
those

who vote democratic have only completed high school or less.

That sure seems logical. The audience for Limbaugh, Savage, etc is made up
of
Phd's?

Must be primarily uneducated Democrats listening to those radio shows,
since,
as you observed, people capable of independent thought don't need to be
spoon-fed a philosophy.

OT--Dem sleaze tactics not working as planned.
 

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
says...

"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:IjWKb.244489$8y1.1127737@attbi_s52...
The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of
college
educated people are conservative

That's true for those with "some college" and "undergrad degrees". The
numbers are more even for those with "graduate degrees". Interestingly,
I
saw a story the other day that said that women are more likely to vote
Democrat as they achieve higher levels of education...and men are more
likely to vote Republican as they achieve higher levels of education.
They
go in the complete opposite direction!?

The only conclusion I could reach from this is that Harry has a vagina.

That speaks to your ability to synthesize information and draw
conclusions.

Way to go.

And your response speaks to your ability to recognize tongue-in-cheek humor.

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I thought you comment was cute, but I got a better laugh at it going over
"jps's" head.


"NOYB" wrote in message
link.net...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
says...

"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:IjWKb.244489$8y1.1127737@attbi_s52...
The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are
not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of
the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of
college
educated people are conservative

That's true for those with "some college" and "undergrad degrees".
The
numbers are more even for those with "graduate degrees".
Interestingly,
I
saw a story the other day that said that women are more likely to vote
Democrat as they achieve higher levels of education...and men are more
likely to vote Republican as they achieve higher levels of education.
They
go in the complete opposite direction!?

The only conclusion I could reach from this is that Harry has a
vagina.

That speaks to your ability to synthesize information and draw
conclusions.

Way to go.

And your response speaks to your ability to recognize tongue-in-cheek
humor.

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 18:00:24 GMT, "It's a new year!" wrote:

Gould,

In reference to my black and white comment, no one is saying that all
conservatives are smart and all democrats are dumb.

Actually, if you check the archives of this newsgroup, you'll find that there
*are* those who are saying that, and more.

Joe Parsons


It is also important to
realize that a vast majority of conservatives do not listen to the talking
heads. It is also important to realize that many of the listeners to Rush
Limbaugh et all are liberals and moderates. The "talking heads" are in the
business of generating an audience and pushing hot buttons. It does not
matter if you agree or disagree as long as you listen.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of college

educated people are conservative and a substantially higher percent of
those

who vote democratic have only completed high school or less.

That sure seems logical. The audience for Limbaugh, Savage, etc is made up
of
Phd's?

Must be primarily uneducated Democrats listening to those radio shows,
since,
as you observed, people capable of independent thought don't need to be
spoon-fed a philosophy.

OT--Dem sleaze tactics not working as planned.
 

In article .net,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article .net,
says...

"It's a new year!" wrote in message
news:IjWKb.244489$8y1.1127737@attbi_s52...
The only people I know who like to parrot the talk radio folks are not
capable of thinking for themselves, and they are on both sides of the
political fence.

I have seen studies that show a substantially higher percent of
college
educated people are conservative

That's true for those with "some college" and "undergrad degrees". The
numbers are more even for those with "graduate degrees". Interestingly,
I
saw a story the other day that said that women are more likely to vote
Democrat as they achieve higher levels of education...and men are more
likely to vote Republican as they achieve higher levels of education.
They
go in the complete opposite direction!?

The only conclusion I could reach from this is that Harry has a vagina.

That speaks to your ability to synthesize information and draw
conclusions.

Way to go.

And your response speaks to your ability to recognize tongue-in-cheek humor.


It wasn't funny, which speaks to your ability to create humor.

Further, it's the only conclusion you were able to draw from what seems
pretty fertile information.

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"It's a new year!" wrote:

Gould,

In reference to my black and white comment, no one is saying that all
conservatives are smart and all democrats are dumb.

Actually there are a number of self-labelled 'conservatives' who regularly
pollute this newsgroup with exactly such statements.


...It is also important to realize that many of the listeners to Rush
Limbaugh et all are liberals and moderates.

I don't believe that for a second. The only people who listen to Rush Limbaugh
for more than a few moments are people who are either 1- hypnotized by his
retardo-fascist twaddle... or 2- people like me who are occasionally trapped in
a room with a bunch of drooling ditto heads.


The "talking heads" are in the
business of generating an audience and pushing hot buttons. It does not
matter if you agree or disagree as long as you listen.

For commercial purposes, sure. For political purposes, it maintains or increases
the current atmosphere where news is "fair & balanced" if it panders to the
right wing fantasy dwellers, and character assassination is praised as
campaigning.

DSK

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"It's a new year!" wrote:

Gould,

In reference to my black and white comment, no one is saying that all
conservatives are smart and all democrats are dumb.

Actually there are a number of self-labelled 'conservatives' who regularly
pollute this newsgroup with exactly such statements.


...It is also important to realize that many of the listeners to Rush
Limbaugh et all are liberals and moderates.

I don't believe that for a second. The only people who listen to Rush Limbaugh
for more than a few moments are people who are either 1- hypnotized by his
retardo-fascist twaddle... or 2- people like me who are occasionally trapped in
a room with a bunch of drooling ditto heads.


The "talking heads" are in the
business of generating an audience and pushing hot buttons. It does not
matter if you agree or disagree as long as you listen.

For commercial purposes, sure. For political purposes, it maintains or increases
the current atmosphere where news is "fair & balanced" if it panders to the
right wing fantasy dwellers, and character assassination is praised as
campaigning.

DSK

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Do you really see the world in as the black and white you conveyed in this
message?


Your right wing radio stations go out of their way to polarize every issue.
"You're either with us, or against us. You either worship the ground Bush walks
on, or you're a friggin' socialist traitor. You either express enthusiastic
support for the war in Iraq, or you wish for our servicemen and women to be
killed. You either support tax cuts and acclerated deficit spending or you hope
the economy fails.....etc"

I see the liberal vs. conservative split in the US as an extremely polarized
issue, and am well aware of the side that has done the most to encourage the
hate and distrust. It's a multi-billion dollar a day industry catering to the
largest audience of
listeners to be found anyplace.

I think there's plenty of room in the world for dissenting opinions. They
should be encouraged. So, yes.....whatever the hate radio jockeys and their
devoted disciples represent (black or white) I would hope to be about as
opposite on the spectrum as can be.

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On 08 Jan 2004 01:47:48 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Do you really see the world in as the black and white you conveyed in this
message?


Your right wing radio stations go out of their way to polarize every issue.
"You're either with us, or against us. You either worship the ground Bush walks
on, or you're a friggin' socialist traitor. You either express enthusiastic
support for the war in Iraq, or you wish for our servicemen and women to be
killed. You either support tax cuts and acclerated deficit spending or you hope
the economy fails.....etc"

I see the liberal vs. conservative split in the US as an extremely polarized
issue, and am well aware of the side that has done the most to encourage the
hate and distrust. It's a multi-billion dollar a day industry catering to the
largest audience of
listeners to be found anyplace.

I think there's plenty of room in the world for dissenting opinions. They
should be encouraged. So, yes.....whatever the hate radio jockeys and their
devoted disciples represent (black or white) I would hope to be about as
opposite on the spectrum as can be.

Chuck, you need to stay away from Hannity and Limbaugh. You'll have
hair growing in your palms in no time. Now, knock it off. Anyone with
any sense knows better than to let Rush or Sean disrupt their
serenity.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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On 08 Jan 2004 01:47:48 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Do you really see the world in as the black and white you conveyed in this
message?


Your right wing radio stations go out of their way to polarize every issue.
"You're either with us, or against us. You either worship the ground Bush walks
on, or you're a friggin' socialist traitor. You either express enthusiastic
support for the war in Iraq, or you wish for our servicemen and women to be
killed. You either support tax cuts and acclerated deficit spending or you hope
the economy fails.....etc"

I see the liberal vs. conservative split in the US as an extremely polarized
issue, and am well aware of the side that has done the most to encourage the
hate and distrust.

But that's not possible. Mr. Bush is, by his own description, a "uniter, not a
divider."

Joe Parsons

It's a multi-billion dollar a day industry catering to the
largest audience of
listeners to be found anyplace.

I think there's plenty of room in the world for dissenting opinions. They
should be encouraged. So, yes.....whatever the hate radio jockeys and their
devoted disciples represent (black or white) I would hope to be about as
opposite on the spectrum as can be.

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 02:19:38 GMT, Joe Parsons
wrote:

On 08 Jan 2004 01:47:48 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Do you really see the world in as the black and white you conveyed in this
message?


Your right wing radio stations go out of their way to polarize every issue.
"You're either with us, or against us. You either worship the ground Bush walks
on, or you're a friggin' socialist traitor. You either express enthusiastic
support for the war in Iraq, or you wish for our servicemen and women to be
killed. You either support tax cuts and acclerated deficit spending or you hope
the economy fails.....etc"

I see the liberal vs. conservative split in the US as an extremely polarized
issue, and am well aware of the side that has done the most to encourage the
hate and distrust.

But that's not possible. Mr. Bush is, by his own description, a "uniter, not a
divider."

Joe Parsons

It's a multi-billion dollar a day industry catering to the
largest audience of
listeners to be found anyplace.

I think there's plenty of room in the world for dissenting opinions. They
should be encouraged. So, yes.....whatever the hate radio jockeys and their
devoted disciples represent (black or white) I would hope to be about as
opposite on the spectrum as can be.

Well, good evening Joseph. It's nice to see your lovely face in the
chat room tonight. We are all laid back now. No arguing, name-calling,
or anything negative. If you should read something negative, it was
undoubtedly posted erroneously.

Hope the weather in San Francisco (Diego, Clemente, Luis Obispo,
Rafael ??) is not too bad!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:28:58 -0500, John H wrote:

[snip]

I see the liberal vs. conservative split in the US as an extremely polarized
issue, and am well aware of the side that has done the most to encourage the
hate and distrust.

But that's not possible. Mr. Bush is, by his own description, a "uniter, not a
divider."

Joe Parsons

It's a multi-billion dollar a day industry catering to the
largest audience of
listeners to be found anyplace.

I think there's plenty of room in the world for dissenting opinions. They
should be encouraged. So, yes.....whatever the hate radio jockeys and their
devoted disciples represent (black or white) I would hope to be about as
opposite on the spectrum as can be.

Well, good evening Joseph. It's nice to see your lovely face in the
chat room tonight.

[ACCENT=AAAHNULT]

It's not a chat room.

[ACCENT=OFF]

We are all laid back now. No arguing, name-calling,
or anything negative. If you should read something negative, it was
undoubtedly posted erroneously.

Hope the weather in San Francisco (Diego, Clemente, Luis Obispo,
Rafael ??) is

That would be lovely Bethel Island and environs.

The Delta is indeed lovely this time of year.

New Years Eve at Caliente Isle Yacht Club (www.ciyc.org/pages/1/index.htm),
where SWMBO and I manned the bar for two hours. Nice deal: pour for two hours,
drink free for the rest of the night.

Rang in the new year, then toddled down to M/Y "Shangri-La," and cozy bunk.
About 0300, the heavens opened: the tintinnabulation of the rain on the tin roof
over the slip woke us up, but quite pleasantly. Not quite so pleasant the sound
of said tin roof being ripped off by 40 kt winds!

Still a nice start to the new year--spending it afloat.

Joe Parsons

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Mr. Gould, You are guilty of the exact same thing you are accusing the
right of doing. You assume anyone who does not agree with you of being a
right wing borg, a Nazi and they are the reason for the downfall of America.


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Do you really see the world in as the black and white you conveyed in
this
message?


Your right wing radio stations go out of their way to polarize every
issue.
"You're either with us, or against us. You either worship the ground Bush
walks
on, or you're a friggin' socialist traitor. You either express
enthusiastic
support for the war in Iraq, or you wish for our servicemen and women to
be
killed. You either support tax cuts and acclerated deficit spending or you
hope
the economy fails.....etc"

I see the liberal vs. conservative split in the US as an extremely
polarized
issue, and am well aware of the side that has done the most to encourage
the
hate and distrust. It's a multi-billion dollar a day industry catering to
the
largest audience of
listeners to be found anyplace.

I think there's plenty of room in the world for dissenting opinions. They
should be encouraged. So, yes.....whatever the hate radio jockeys and
their
devoted disciples represent (black or white) I would hope to be about as
opposite on the spectrum as can be.

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 03:54:25 GMT, Joe Parsons
wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 21:28:58 -0500, John H wrote:



[ACCENT=AAAHNULT]

It's not a chat room.

It almost was for a short time.

[ACCENT=OFF]

We are all laid back now. No arguing, name-calling,
or anything negative. If you should read something negative, it was
undoubtedly posted erroneously.

Hope the weather in San Francisco (Diego, Clemente, Luis Obispo,
Rafael ??) is

That would be lovely Bethel Island and environs.

Can I assume that is your vessel at the end of the dock?
http://www.bethelisland-chamber.com/html/about.html

Or, were you referring to this lovely specimen?
http://www.bethelisland-chamber.com/pages/bethel6.html
It appears the roof *could* be tin~

The Delta is indeed lovely this time of year.

New Years Eve at Caliente Isle Yacht Club (www.ciyc.org/pages/1/index.htm),
where SWMBO and I manned the bar for two hours. Nice deal: pour for two hours,
drink free for the rest of the night.

A lot of pictures here, but you aren't wearing a name tag. Identify
yourself! http://www.ciyc.org/pages/6/index.htm

Rang in the new year, then toddled down to M/Y "Shangri-La," and cozy bunk.
About 0300, the heavens opened: the tintinnabulation of the rain on the tin roof
over the slip woke us up, but quite pleasantly. Not quite so pleasant the sound
of said tin roof being ripped off by 40 kt winds!

Still a nice start to the new year--spending it afloat.

Joe Parsons

Looks like y'all had a great time.

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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Of course, the fact that one of the commercials plainly said
"sponsored by moveon.org" at the end of the ad seems to have slipped
by your blinders. I love it when you guys forget the facts.

The *fact* is that the ads didn't run in the media.. They were two ads out of a
much larger group of ads that were submitted to moveon.org as proposals to
consider for the upcomiong campaign.

It's no different than some redneck getting on a talk show and saying equally
ridiculous and hateful things about moderates or liberals. Are your radio hosts
liable for every opinion that their callers express on the air?

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"It's a new year!" wrote:

Mr. Gould, You are guilty of the exact same thing you are accusing the
right of doing. You assume anyone who does not agree with you of being a
right wing borg, a Nazi and they are the reason for the downfall of America.

That's ludicrous. Gould0738 is very reasonable in his posts, and very clearly
explains not only his opinions on the issues, but (what is more important IMHO
and much more rare) the reasons behind his opinions. PLease quote the post where
he accused anybody of being a Nazi.

DSK

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 11:15:35 -0500, DSK wrote:

"It's a new year!" wrote:

Mr. Gould, You are guilty of the exact same thing you are accusing the
right of doing. You assume anyone who does not agree with you of being a
right wing borg, a Nazi and they are the reason for the downfall of America.

That's ludicrous. Gould0738 is very reasonable in his posts, and very clearly
explains not only his opinions on the issues, but (what is more important IMHO
and much more rare) the reasons behind his opinions. PLease quote the post where
he accused anybody of being a Nazi.

DSK

You are writing as a purely neutral observer, correct?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Do you really see the world in as the black and white you conveyed in
this
message?


Your right wing radio stations go out of their way to polarize every
issue.
"You're either with us, or against us. You either worship the ground Bush
walks
on, or you're a friggin' socialist traitor.

We see shades of grey. For instance, if someone doesn't worship Bush, that
doesn't automatically make him/her a socialist traitor. He/she could be a
communist, Marxist, or fundamentalist Islamic traitor, too.

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Mr. Gould, You are guilty of the exact same thing you are accusing the
right of doing. You assume anyone who does not agree with you of being a
right wing borg, a Nazi and they are the reason for the downfall of America.

Not at all. There's no reason that everyone needs to agree with me, and it is
better if many do not.

However, "right wing borgs" do indeed exist. They are not making a positive
contribution to social progress, in my stated opinion.

I am very careful not to use the word "NAZI" unless a person has previously
described him or herself as such.

"Fascism", on the other hand, is becoming fairly common. Since that might be
considered a trigger word, let's use this definition from my handy, desk-top
dictionary.

fascism (n) 1. a right-wing system of government characterized by extreme
nationalistic beliefs. 2. an attitude which is extremely intolerant or
right-wing

You only meet a handful of actual Nazis these days. There are huge numbers of
newly minted fascists.

My accusations were leveled directly at the "hate radio jockeys and their
devoted disciples". If you believe that phrase includes "anyone who does not
agree with you" the problem is clearly in your perception, not mine. (Or you
assume that everyone who does not agree with me is listening to hate radio).

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We see shades of grey. For instance, if someone doesn't worship Bush, that
doesn't automatically make him/her a socialist traitor. He/she could be a
communist, Marxist, or fundamentalist Islamic traitor, too.

NOYB continues to earn the Diogenes award, and extinguished lamp.

Give you this, NOYB: you're up front about your feelings and opinions. Puts you
ahead of many dissemblers.

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Moveon.org vetted these commercials and allowed it to be aired with
the words "sponsored by moveon.org". Lie (it is really not spin when
it comes from someone so intellegent as you) if you want, but they put
it out, sponsored it, approved it, a

Lie?

I said the ad did not appear in the media.

Please let me know where the item has appeared as an actual campaign tool, and
I will retract my statement. If you have no knowlegde of the item appearing in
the press, you have no business calling me a liar.

AFAIK, the only place the ad appeared was on the moveon.org website, among a
group of other ads submitted for consideration.

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Gould 0738 wrote:
Moveon.org vetted these commercials and allowed it to be aired with
the words "sponsored by moveon.org". Lie (it is really not spin when
it comes from someone so intellegent as you) if you want, but they put
it out, sponsored it, approved it, a

Lie?

I said the ad did not appear in the media.

Please let me know where the item has appeared as an actual campaign tool, and
I will retract my statement. If you have no knowlegde of the item appearing in
the press, you have no business calling me a liar.

AFAIK, the only place the ad appeared was on the moveon.org website, among a
group of other ads submitted for consideration.




Heheheh. You ain't seen nuthin' yet...the excoriation of George W. Bush,
live and in color on all channels...



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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:
Moveon.org vetted these commercials and allowed it to be aired with
the words "sponsored by moveon.org". Lie (it is really not spin when
it comes from someone so intellegent as you) if you want, but they put
it out, sponsored it, approved it, a

Lie?

I said the ad did not appear in the media.

Please let me know where the item has appeared as an actual campaign
tool, and
I will retract my statement. If you have no knowlegde of the item
appearing in
the press, you have no business calling me a liar.

AFAIK, the only place the ad appeared was on the moveon.org website,
among a
group of other ads submitted for consideration.




Heheheh. You ain't seen nuthin' yet...the excoriation of George W. Bush,
live and in color on all channels...

I hope so. That's the surest way to push the "undecideds" either (a) to
bush, or (b) to stay home and not vote.

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:
Moveon.org vetted these commercials and allowed it to be aired with
the words "sponsored by moveon.org". Lie (it is really not spin when
it comes from someone so intellegent as you) if you want, but they put
it out, sponsored it, approved it, a

Lie?

I said the ad did not appear in the media.

Please let me know where the item has appeared as an actual campaign
tool, and
I will retract my statement. If you have no knowlegde of the item
appearing in
the press, you have no business calling me a liar.

AFAIK, the only place the ad appeared was on the moveon.org website,
among a
group of other ads submitted for consideration.




Heheheh. You ain't seen nuthin' yet...the excoriation of George W. Bush,
live and in color on all channels...

I hope so. That's the surest way to push the "undecideds" either (a) to
bush, or (b) to stay home and not vote.





Doubtful...the ads I got to preview today in storyboard form show the
similarities between a number of Bush's actions and actions of certain
fascist states of recent memory in efforts to restrict the freedom of
citizens. They're fundraising commercials. There are certain language
similarities, even, in some of the Bush Administration's actions to
limit freedoms with the language used against the citizens of Argentina,
Chile, Spain, and former Soviet bloc states.

Your love of fascism...in full bloom, as it were, and I don't mean Leopold.



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Harry Krause wrote:

Heheheh. You ain't seen nuthin' yet...the excoriation of George W. Bush,
live and in color on all channels...

Will your nursemaid be laying in a stock of tissues to clean up the
messes you'll be making?

Your hard-on for the president is sick.

-- Charlie


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NOYB wrote:

I hope so. That's the surest way to push the "undecideds" either (a) to
bush, or (b) to stay home and not vote.

Given the regard Bush and his criminal handlers have for the
niceties of law and the Constitution you just might get
your wish.

I can foresee the Bush mob reacting to dropping poll numbers
by declaring martial law and "postponing" elections due to a
mysterious fire in the Reichstag.

Rick

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Rick wrote:

NOYB wrote:

I hope so. That's the surest way to push the "undecideds" either (a) to
bush, or (b) to stay home and not vote.

Given the regard Bush and his criminal handlers have for the
niceties of law and the Constitution you just might get
your wish.

I can foresee the Bush mob reacting to dropping poll numbers
by declaring martial law and "postponing" elections due to a
mysterious fire in the Reichstag.

Rick




Bears repeating:


An editorial from the Wisconsin State Journal
January 8, 2004

The United States Department of Labor announced this week that, over the
course of last year, American businesses cut 1,236,426 jobs in 2003,
exposing the lie of President Bush's so-called economic "recovery."

Far from easing up, the cuts increased as 2003 went on - the final
quarter of the year saw 364,346 job cut announcements, making it the
worst quarter for such announcements in 2003.

"(It) is difficult to get too excited about a year in which more than
1.2 million people fell victim to downsizing," says employment analyst
John Challenger.

We agree. Indeed, if the Bush "recovery" heats up much more, we wonder
whether anyone will have a job.

Published: 6:22 AM 1/08/04

----------------------------


The crappy economy and the continuing death toll in Iraq and Afghanistan
in Bush's personal war will have an impact. Most Americans view the
health of the economy in terms of jobs and job security.



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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:
Moveon.org vetted these commercials and allowed it to be aired with
the words "sponsored by moveon.org". Lie (it is really not spin when
it comes from someone so intellegent as you) if you want, but they
put
it out, sponsored it, approved it, a

Lie?

I said the ad did not appear in the media.

Please let me know where the item has appeared as an actual campaign
tool, and
I will retract my statement. If you have no knowlegde of the item
appearing in
the press, you have no business calling me a liar.

AFAIK, the only place the ad appeared was on the moveon.org website,
among a
group of other ads submitted for consideration.




Heheheh. You ain't seen nuthin' yet...the excoriation of George W.
Bush,
live and in color on all channels...

I hope so. That's the surest way to push the "undecideds" either (a) to
bush, or (b) to stay home and not vote.





Doubtful...the ads I got to preview today in storyboard form show the
similarities between a number of Bush's actions and actions of certain
fascist states of recent memory in efforts to restrict the freedom of
citizens.

Good. The moveon.org Hitler/Bush ad created a helluva backlash. People
*like* Bush. Attacking him as a person is a sure way to alienate the 70% of
the people that "like him as a person".




They're fundraising commercials. There are certain language
similarities, even, in some of the Bush Administration's actions to
limit freedoms with the language used against the citizens of Argentina,
Chile, Spain, and former Soviet bloc states.

Most "undecideds" couldn't even name three of the former Soviet bloc states.
You might think that "undecided" means that someone is thoughtfully
considering all of the candidates...but, in reality, "undecided" can be
translated to mean "I have no idea because I don't follow politics and the
issues".



Your love of fascism...in full bloom, as it were, and I don't mean
Leopold.

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"Rick" wrote in message
.net...


I can foresee the Bush mob reacting to dropping poll numbers
by declaring martial law and "postponing" elections due to a
mysterious fire in the Reichstag.

....says Rick as he was scratching in the garden when something fell on his
head.

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NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gould 0738 wrote:
Moveon.org vetted these commercials and allowed it to be aired with
the words "sponsored by moveon.org". Lie (it is really not spin when
it comes from someone so intellegent as you) if you want, but they
put
it out, sponsored it, approved it, a

Lie?

I said the ad did not appear in the media.

Please let me know where the item has appeared as an actual campaign
tool, and
I will retract my statement. If you have no knowlegde of the item
appearing in
the press, you have no business calling me a liar.

AFAIK, the only place the ad appeared was on the moveon.org website,
among a
group of other ads submitted for consideration.




Heheheh. You ain't seen nuthin' yet...the excoriation of George W.
Bush,
live and in color on all channels...

I hope so. That's the surest way to push the "undecideds" either (a) to
bush, or (b) to stay home and not vote.





Doubtful...the ads I got to preview today in storyboard form show the
similarities between a number of Bush's actions and actions of certain
fascist states of recent memory in efforts to restrict the freedom of
citizens.

Good. The moveon.org Hitler/Bush ad created a helluva backlash. People
*like* Bush. Attacking him as a person is a sure way to alienate the 70% of
the people that "like him as a person".




They're fundraising commercials. There are certain language
similarities, even, in some of the Bush Administration's actions to
limit freedoms with the language used against the citizens of Argentina,
Chile, Spain, and former Soviet bloc states.

Most "undecideds" couldn't even name three of the former Soviet bloc states.
You might think that "undecided" means that someone is thoughtfully
considering all of the candidates...but, in reality, "undecided" can be
translated to mean "I have no idea because I don't follow politics and the
issues".

I'm sorry, but the fascist ruminations of a 30-year-old dentist who went
from mommy's apron strings to college to dental school to a life of ease
in South Florida are meaningless. Let me know when life has dealt you a
few serious blows and you develop a bit of compassion for humanity, eh?





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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Rick wrote:

NOYB wrote:

I hope so. That's the surest way to push the "undecideds" either (a)
to
bush, or (b) to stay home and not vote.

Given the regard Bush and his criminal handlers have for the
niceties of law and the Constitution you just might get
your wish.

I can foresee the Bush mob reacting to dropping poll numbers
by declaring martial law and "postponing" elections due to a
mysterious fire in the Reichstag.

Rick




Bears repeating:


An editorial from the Wisconsin State Journal
January 8, 2004

The United States Department of Labor announced this week that, over the
course of last year, American businesses cut 1,236,426 jobs in 2003,

I'll post a response tomorrow...*after* the December jobs report.

Right now, I could point out that as of November, there was already a net
gain of 589,000 jobs in 2003...but it will be more fun to post an even
higher number tomorrow.