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Home schooling while cruising
My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff |
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak
wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Your kids will hate it and you - by the end of the trip, you will hate them. Later, Tom |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Your kids will hate it and you - by the end of the trip, you will hate them. Later, Tom Especially the 15 year old. When you want to get together with your friends (and girls) and looking forward to driving at 15, the last thing you want to do is live the itinerant lifestyle. We took our kids when they were 10 & 12 (almost 13) on a 2 month trip around the US in a motorhome. They liked the trip, but were very anxious to get home after 6 weeks. |
Tamaroak wrote:
My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper
learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
"Calif Bill" wrote in message ink.net... "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message ... On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Your kids will hate it and you - by the end of the trip, you will hate them. Later, Tom Especially the 15 year old. When you want to get together with your friends (and girls) and looking forward to driving at 15, the last thing you want to do is live the itinerant lifestyle. We took our kids when they were 10 & 12 (almost 13) on a 2 month trip around the US in a motorhome. They liked the trip, but were very anxious to get home after 6 weeks. Yeah, no kidding, ......my 14 Y.O was so ready to come home after our three weeks in Europe this summer........somehow at that age, being with friends is better than touring through castles and cathedrals :-) |
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak
wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? No personal experience - no kids. But I would recommend reading some books by Liza Copeland Just Cruising Still Cruising Cruising for Cowards and some others which do not spring to mind. She has an article on SailNet, on the topic http://www.sailnet.com/collections/a...eid=copela0008 Jack __________________________________________________ Jack Dale Swiftsure Sailing Academy Director/ISPA and CYA Instructor http://www.swiftsuresailing.com __________________________________________________ |
Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul "Tuuk" wrote in message ... Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
Paul Schilter wrote:
Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you) The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another. Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it. My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do, well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??) then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions. K "Tuuk" wrote in message ... Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
7-11 has stores in Thailand?
Cool! I'll take a large Slurpee,,,,,,,Tuuk! Dan Harry Krause wrote: Paul Schilter wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul "Tuuk" wrote in message ... Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. Perhaps if Tuuk had a little quality schooling, he wouldn't be stuck working the midnight to 8 am shift at 7-11 as third assistant night manager's helper. |
Interesting,,, lets parse it,,,
Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you) Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities do not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real world. The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another. No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex. The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply different language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S. Same book. The learning environment is much different also. Classroom sizes are small (student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework done. Here it is a joke, and here you will graduate with honors relatively easy, there you earn it. Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it. I couldn't agree with you more there,,, My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do, well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??) then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions. I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that about Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and that proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white. But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources, motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work, friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the computer and yes learn more than at a public school. K "Tuuk" wrote in message ... Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
Tuuk wrote:
Interesting,,, lets parse it,,, Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you) Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities do not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real world. Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state administrations are fighting it tooth & nail. The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another. No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex. I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces otherwise bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic maths. The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply different language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S. Same book. The learning environment is much different also. Classroom sizes are small (student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework done. Here it is a joke, and here you will graduate with honors relatively easy, there you earn it. Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian origin & invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing to see happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets take their govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway) because their students' good results mean they don't need it". I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for any offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right; Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese??? A: your dog is gone & your homework's done. Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it. I couldn't agree with you more there,,, My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do, well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??) then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions. I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that about Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and that proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white. The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids; yet years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice Krause lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he hadn't seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as they go along:-) But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources, motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work, friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the computer and yes learn more than at a public school. I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the boys. I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes scholars via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help they shouldn't fall behind. K K "Tuuk" wrote in message ... Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Tuuk must be referring to the "special ed" classes some universities hold for Asian students whose command of English is so ****-poor they cannot figure out what is happening. Universities hold these classes because they like the full tuition dollars the sponsors of most "foreign" students pay. One of the local colleges in this area holds a plethora of lower-level classes "specially" for Asian students, to help them build up at least minimal skills in English. Note that I am not saying Asian students are dumb, ignorant, lazy, or otherwise intellectually incapable. But many Asian students have a very, very difficult time with English. Look at Tuuk. He can barely read and write English, and he claims to be a grad of a North American university. I presume there were no comprehensive exams in language skills. Merry Christmas to you Harry. Yes Harry, I do believe you are correct on this assumption. My old school, The University of Waterloo, does teach some English Language skills to first year foreign students. Some of these students are indeed from Asia and some are from Eastern European Countries or Mexico. Some of our top Asian Students are from China and they are doing quite well in our schools. I also believe that Mr. Tuuk is totally ignorant of how our school systems are run. He also has a tendency to have verbal diarrhea. James Carter, Port Captain "The Boat" Bayfield |
"Jim Carter" wrote in message ... I also believe that Mr. Tuuk is totally ignorant of how our school systems are run. He also has a tendency to have verbal diarrhea. Amen brother! |
Jeff,
My experience is old, but the other side. Things kids schooled on board miss: Some school based activities (sports - theater - clubs) Some social development that is now a part of life. (out of school for a year or two - this will no be and issue) The peer group fashion police that criticize everyone for whatever he/she wears and how much it cost. The local bullies that own the turf and expect tribute at every turn and teach their way to respond to threats and intimidation. They will have a very difficult time establishing connections to purchase for things their school peers might buy with the money provided to replace the parent/family time. Being bored silly in a class because the rote learning process is slower for many of the classmates. If they return to the same school they left, they may be somewhat out of step. In the year of home school, it is not uncommon for a student that was doing mediocre work to advance two grade levels (my wife is an adviser to several home school families). Many years ago, we lived on a Maine built Ketch. She was finished just after the war (WW2)and was intended to be a coaster. I was the youngest of three and the only one to come aboard as a newborn. My mother ran school as was required, but I started earlier than could have happened ashore. When time came to move into a house, it was rough for my siblings. Both ended up in placed by grade level and so were the youngest in the class by a year or more. They survived. Would I subject two boys to this - in a heartbeat. They will be set in an experience that they will able to draw on for a lifetime. The people that they might not get along with aren't worth getting along with anyway. Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff |
Tuuk wrote:
You make some good points,, let me just add a couple quick quick points. I found interesting this last couple years living here in the west, I experienced on several occasions very young students knocking on my door and selling me chocolate bars. Now every time I ask where the proceeds go. It appears they are to help out at the schools. When asked for specifics the students couldn't explain. I called the school, asked the principal where the proceeds were going, she claimed they were going into a fund to offset "government cuts". She badmouthed the government inside out and upside down and when I asked for a bit of a breakdown, she said she was paying overtime rates for teachers who worked over a certain time. So what the teachers are doing in my neck of the woods are shuffling off the children at nights to earn money selling chocolate bars. Now in my area, the teachers earn a high rate, they have summers off, they have every holiday off, they have extra holidays off. It is unbelievable. Yet they make the students spend their time going door to door. Students come home today not with homework but with lessons. It is the responsibility of the parents today to teach lessons at home. And another thing that bothers me yet I do not understand it totally is the ADD (attention disorder deficit) or something like that. Teachers are demanding that younger students sit there wasted on drugs or they are not allowed in the classroom. You know, I don't know what all these acronyms mean but I had everyone of them growing up in school, still have them and I don't need drugs. Love it!!! No wonder you pegged Krause as a non boating, lying, uneducated simpleton so easily, well done:-) I notice at the universities locally, they are separating the Asian students from the domestic students. The Asians are embarrassing the domestic students. Asians never had summers off, never had ADD, never needed drugs, never were forced to give up the play time to sell chocolate bars. Any money earned after school went to the parents and not the teachers. Hmmm I think I'd like to stress as strongly as I can; that the reason our Asian students "on average" are doing so well is a cultural work ethic thing, mostly pushed by parents (sometimes pushed too hard in my view) & not that any race is inherently smarter nor dumber than the other. We've had a couple of episodes here of recent years, where pass marks just were not good enough & the students resorted to what can only be called cheating & another university actually gave in to pressure & remarked papers to satisfy parents. I think there are over the top pushy parents in all things related to kids, schooling achievements are an obvious one by gee it goes down to parent violence at kids sport, everything. When I was young we had lots of post war Sthn European immigrants & the almost exact same thing happened, as new "immigrants" the family had a very high work ethic & they didn't accept any excuses from teachers or their kids, school was to learn & that's what they did. Now those same families are "assimilated" into our country & mostly invisible, so to as the years go by this will happen to immigrants from most anywhere to anywhere. Of course an habitual liar like Krause?? time won't help. And the teachers today are sending home political documentation that is wrong, it promotes as you suggest the lefties and socialists etc etc and it suggests it is in the best interests of the parents to vote according to their recommendations as they suggest it is the best for the students. Like a gun to their heads. Yes this aspect is a real worry & I honestly think it's damaging society in general, here it's full on lefty brain washing & even very young children come out with "blame the govt" or "blame evil business" taught mantras from the school system. They're too young to even wonder how they'll live their lives if "business" people stopped risking "their" money to provide jobs to others so those same others can abuse them for their efforts. Just about every year, I notice also in this social education system, a rotating strike just before examination time. Now the poor students who happen to be stuck at the school with the strike gives up their year. Or simply is given the credit yet falls far behind. This is something that I have never experienced in any other part of the world. Yep these scum labour organisations work together world wide, if they find a standover tactic that works in one country they quickly transplant it to another, they care for nothing but their own power at the expense of others, including their own members. Almost single handedly they've wrecked the education systems in western countries, the once great US manufacturing sector, now all that's left is retailing & it seems they're intent on destroying even that. To the original caller, ya go ahead and take the students out of the bureaucracy and I am sure they will receive better training from themselves or parents. Go to the school, ask for the syllabi for the year and I know you can do a better job than the teachers do. It appears teachers today are glorified day care workers, right up until the time of university. Most systems will supply a correspondence course, send out or give online the material, the tests, even some extra assistance if things get rocky (little joke there for a boating trip). Have you noticed the way Krause thinks the merits or otherwise of what you say is all about "where you come from" ??? He really is the lowest of the low & all on his own drops that common denominator into the sewer. K "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tuuk wrote: Interesting,,, lets parse it,,, Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you) Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities do not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real world. Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state administrations are fighting it tooth & nail. The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another. No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex. I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces otherwise bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic maths. The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply different language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S. Same book. The learning environment is much different also. Classroom sizes are small (student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework done. Here it is a joke, and here you will graduate with honors relatively easy, there you earn it. Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian origin & invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing to see happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets take their govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway) because their students' good results mean they don't need it". I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for any offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right; Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese??? A: your dog is gone & your homework's done. Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it. I couldn't agree with you more there,,, My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do, well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??) then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions. I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that about Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and that proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white. The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids; yet years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice Krause lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he hadn't seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as they go along:-) But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources, motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work, friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the computer and yes learn more than at a public school. I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the boys. I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes scholars via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help they shouldn't fall behind. K K "Tuuk" wrote in message .. . Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
Yes,, he is an interesting specimen,, I enjoy having fun with the old boy,,
A little bit twisted in some of his ways but that is ok, I don't hold that against him,,,, "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tuuk wrote: You make some good points,, let me just add a couple quick quick points. I found interesting this last couple years living here in the west, I experienced on several occasions very young students knocking on my door and selling me chocolate bars. Now every time I ask where the proceeds go. It appears they are to help out at the schools. When asked for specifics the students couldn't explain. I called the school, asked the principal where the proceeds were going, she claimed they were going into a fund to offset "government cuts". She badmouthed the government inside out and upside down and when I asked for a bit of a breakdown, she said she was paying overtime rates for teachers who worked over a certain time. So what the teachers are doing in my neck of the woods are shuffling off the children at nights to earn money selling chocolate bars. Now in my area, the teachers earn a high rate, they have summers off, they have every holiday off, they have extra holidays off. It is unbelievable. Yet they make the students spend their time going door to door. Students come home today not with homework but with lessons. It is the responsibility of the parents today to teach lessons at home. And another thing that bothers me yet I do not understand it totally is the ADD (attention disorder deficit) or something like that. Teachers are demanding that younger students sit there wasted on drugs or they are not allowed in the classroom. You know, I don't know what all these acronyms mean but I had everyone of them growing up in school, still have them and I don't need drugs. Love it!!! No wonder you pegged Krause as a non boating, lying, uneducated simpleton so easily, well done:-) I notice at the universities locally, they are separating the Asian students from the domestic students. The Asians are embarrassing the domestic students. Asians never had summers off, never had ADD, never needed drugs, never were forced to give up the play time to sell chocolate bars. Any money earned after school went to the parents and not the teachers. Hmmm I think I'd like to stress as strongly as I can; that the reason our Asian students "on average" are doing so well is a cultural work ethic thing, mostly pushed by parents (sometimes pushed too hard in my view) & not that any race is inherently smarter nor dumber than the other. We've had a couple of episodes here of recent years, where pass marks just were not good enough & the students resorted to what can only be called cheating & another university actually gave in to pressure & remarked papers to satisfy parents. I think there are over the top pushy parents in all things related to kids, schooling achievements are an obvious one by gee it goes down to parent violence at kids sport, everything. When I was young we had lots of post war Sthn European immigrants & the almost exact same thing happened, as new "immigrants" the family had a very high work ethic & they didn't accept any excuses from teachers or their kids, school was to learn & that's what they did. Now those same families are "assimilated" into our country & mostly invisible, so to as the years go by this will happen to immigrants from most anywhere to anywhere. Of course an habitual liar like Krause?? time won't help. And the teachers today are sending home political documentation that is wrong, it promotes as you suggest the lefties and socialists etc etc and it suggests it is in the best interests of the parents to vote according to their recommendations as they suggest it is the best for the students. Like a gun to their heads. Yes this aspect is a real worry & I honestly think it's damaging society in general, here it's full on lefty brain washing & even very young children come out with "blame the govt" or "blame evil business" taught mantras from the school system. They're too young to even wonder how they'll live their lives if "business" people stopped risking "their" money to provide jobs to others so those same others can abuse them for their efforts. Just about every year, I notice also in this social education system, a rotating strike just before examination time. Now the poor students who happen to be stuck at the school with the strike gives up their year. Or simply is given the credit yet falls far behind. This is something that I have never experienced in any other part of the world. Yep these scum labour organisations work together world wide, if they find a standover tactic that works in one country they quickly transplant it to another, they care for nothing but their own power at the expense of others, including their own members. Almost single handedly they've wrecked the education systems in western countries, the once great US manufacturing sector, now all that's left is retailing & it seems they're intent on destroying even that. To the original caller, ya go ahead and take the students out of the bureaucracy and I am sure they will receive better training from themselves or parents. Go to the school, ask for the syllabi for the year and I know you can do a better job than the teachers do. It appears teachers today are glorified day care workers, right up until the time of university. Most systems will supply a correspondence course, send out or give online the material, the tests, even some extra assistance if things get rocky (little joke there for a boating trip). Have you noticed the way Krause thinks the merits or otherwise of what you say is all about "where you come from" ??? He really is the lowest of the low & all on his own drops that common denominator into the sewer. K "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tuuk wrote: Interesting,,, lets parse it,,, Yeah Tuuk; here there was a while ago some competition or test to find the best school kid at something or another in the country & the prize was really big bucks for the winners school, it all got a bit embarrassing when the winner was a home educated correspondence girl. (her & her mum were on the telly & mum was well chuffed I can tell you) Yes, I will agree with you there, for certain there will be better more qualified and successful educators done one on one at home, with say the parent who cares. At the local public schools there is a problem. I see western students at university who cannot read. Even private universities do not motivate enough or produce a product that can compete in the real world. Yes we have the same thing here, the Fed govt is trying to make funding dependent upon schools at least meeting minimum benchmarks ( & they are sad minimums:-)) but the teachers unions backed by lefty state administrations are fighting it tooth & nail. The "east" as you say don't get educated because they outright don't educate their children. I'd suggest they are hundreds of years behind the west on account of it, if they did educate their kids we might not have had to suffer 911 nor live in constant apprehension of another. No, not at all, I am talking the east such as the Asian countries, the ones that are economically exploding. Of couse there are poor countries everywhere, and middle east and the islamic or muslims teach the wrong things. That is why they attacked on 911. Those schools focus so much on the koran, teaching to hate non muslims, hating non islam and they do not spend enough time on the maths and sciences etc. When they become 20 years old and ready to compete in the workplace, they fail and see others so wealthy then the jealousy, rage, anger, and they rebel against the apex. I know I'll get into trouble for saying this but here & I suspect there it's not much better:-) The unionised teachers take peoples' kids & fill them full of lefty political stuff at the expense of real teaching. Yes accepted they need more than an academic education, but that's not for loony left teachers unions to decide, it's the unwritten, unannounced political brainwashing curriculum the teachers run that produces otherwise bright kids at university who can't bloody read nor do basic maths. The countries where I have attended universities in the west and east,, I know that the east uncontestably does a better job. Where there is a big difference is the costs and greed. Tuitions especially but one thing that shocked me was text books. For example, in a university in Thailand, an economics book, same edition, same publisher as the west, simply different language goes for about 3.00 U.S. and here about 145.00 U.S. Same book. The learning environment is much different also. Classroom sizes are small (student) and the teachers actually give a dam, I mean no cell phones, no walking in or out late, all uniforms, always homework done. Here it is a joke, and here you will graduate with honors relatively easy, there you earn it. Yep & around here especially many the outstanding kids are of Asian origin & invariably from private non unionised schools, it's a sad thing to see happening. Of course the left say crazy things like "see lets take their govt. funds (few that there are for private schools anyway) because their students' good results mean they don't need it". I'm sure you've had the same racist joke there, (prior apologies for any offense) but as regards the homework part, it's about right; Q: how do you know if your house has been robbed by a Vietnamese??? A: your dog is gone & your homework's done. Here the teachers are fully unionised & so your kid not only comes out poorly educated to the lowest common denominator but with a full on left leaning cry baby attitude:-) You're right it takes union educated kids till they're 25 to find out how the world really is & recover. Some of the really stupid ones never do recover & they become union employees or used car salesmen then used boat salesmen. Sad really, wasted lives but some grace I guess; they're so stupid they don't even realise it. I couldn't agree with you more there,,, My comment is if this bloke genuinely cares for his kids (most all do, well OK not Krause despite his recent lie to the contrary, has been estranged from his forever, because they probably picked up their mum's genes & stayed close with her when she got away from him, lucky hey??) then this enquirer no matter how bad, can't do any worse for his boys than the union teaching lefty brainwashing sessions. I couldn't agree with you more there either,,, and I didn't know that about Harry,, I might have guessed that and definatly not surprised and that proves my point to him undisputably. Black and white. The other day he claimed to have a happy relationship with his kids; yet years ago here he told us all what monsters his ex wife (choice Krause lines about the ex wife as you can imagine) & kids were & that he hadn't seen them in years, trouble with liars they just make it up as they go along:-) But to better answer the caller's question, yes with proper resources, motivation and training a student could learn more in that environment. What they might miss would be the public speaking opportunities, team work, friendships, but at their age, they could easily go one on one with the computer and yes learn more than at a public school. I guess so but 12 mths shouldn't do that much harm even if it's a total loss education wise, but if it works out it could be the making of the boys. I'm not for a minute suggesting they're likely to become Rhodes scholars via correspondence internet, but I'd hope with the parents help they shouldn't fall behind. K K "Tuuk" wrote in message . .. Another reason why the east excels ,,, let your children learn in a proper learning environment. I know that is tough to do in the west,, tough to find a good one. But when they become 25 years old and need to compete for a job, they may get stuck looking for the union job like Harry did. 17% of Americans are forced to unionize, not much market value. "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Tamaroak wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Capt. Jeff Great idea!!! Your boys will love it & it'll be the best time of all your lives. In my cruising days (too long ago now:-() we oft came across people with their kids from babies on up, I've had my grandkids on board the current boat for weeks at a time, one since 11 days old. The older kids really become part of the whole boating adventure & you'll find they grow up & mature much quicker & better than their bored at home friends. Give them lots of boat responsibility (but stay safe of course:-)) & room, they'll be meeting all sorts along the way which is what the young need to experience. Here downunder they use a correspondence system with internet (used to be HF radio) even at home kids use it in the outback, so there's no down side to their education indeed if you &/or your partner get involved the whole family's education will improve:-) I'm sure your boys are angels & you'd never have anything to worry about in their teen years, just as all parents believe;-) but alas these days it seems all sorts of new temptations, risks & pitfalls await them. Being with you as a family will help guide them through & out the other side, it seems there's only about 12 mths they need to get through, those that do are fine for life with a good attitude & education, those that don't have a lesser life & it seems to remain thus right to the end. Have a great time & enjoy showing your boys that being a responsible adult doesn't mean you're near dead & you can still have an exciting adventu-) K |
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public education as cheap babysitting. But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. |
"Jack Dale" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public education as cheap babysitting. But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. I presume, then, that you'll rebate what they paid in taxes toward that same public system? --Alan Gomes |
"Jack Dale" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public education as cheap babysitting. But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a tiny return on the investment. |
"Greg" wrote in message news:nXszd.634498$D%.194076@attbi_s51... "Jack Dale" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public education as cheap babysitting. But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a tiny return on the investment. Greg, Precisely correct. Now, if they would let home schoolers opt out of paying into the system then I would agree that they should not seek help from it. --AG |
Jack Dale wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public education as cheap babysitting. But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. Gee Jack; you see you are or at least were, part of the problem; try to understand teachers are just govt. employees paid to teach academic subjects. Your personal private views are your personal private views be they tax or war or whatever, at work with other peoples' impressionable kids keep them to yourself. All tax payers are entitled to have their share of the funds for educating their children no matter how they choose to achieve it correspondence, private topped up with extra funds or the public system. It's all about free choice not union mandated brain washing. K |
There are many boaters with children onboard, the children always seem more
mature and capable than others. I am wondering if the kids would stay more interested in a Bahamas trip than a US trip. There is some stretches of open water, but you can do the whole country without any sections over 50 miles. In the US, you can get wireless high speed internet from cell phone companies. Satellite internet has so few minutes/$ that it is not practical for web surfing. (Globalstar is $100/month for 400 minutes) That said, of all the kids I have met aboard, none had onboard internet. If you have not found your boat yet, stay away from planing hull powerboats, the fuel use is massive (MPG=.5 to 1 MPG), then the resulting range is short. Some gas powered 30' boats have a total range of only 70 miles! Lee Haefele Nauticat 33 Motorsailer, Alesto, currently anchored Salinas, PR "K. Smith" wrote in message ... Jack Dale wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul |
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak
wrote: My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? Seriously, and despite my initial silly comment, it's up to you to judge whether this will work for you or not. If your kids are reasonably disciplined, then it should work fine. On the other hand, they are boys of that "certain" age which can be problematic. If they share the same interests as you, then it will work most of the time - if they don't, the chances are that you will not have a good time. If you feel competent enough to guide them through the course work, there are a lot of resources out on the web and other places for home schooling. One last comment - if this is something that you have wanted to do and you have some resistance to the idea from the kids, think a little more about the trip. Good luck. Later, Tom |
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:33:36 GMT, Jack Dale
wrote: On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public education as cheap babysitting. But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. If they pay taxes, they are invested in the resource and as such have access to the same resources as any other citizen. This town's home schoolers make regular use of our system for things like music instruction, special needs, atheistic and social functions. I have no problem with that. Later, Tom |
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:42:08 GMT, "Alan Gomes" wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message news:nXszd.634498$D%.194076@attbi_s51... "Jack Dale" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public education as cheap babysitting. But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a tiny return on the investment. Greg, Precisely correct. Now, if they would let home schoolers opt out of paying into the system then I would agree that they should not seek help from it. Ah, but you don't take it far enough. If you wish not to pay your portion of taxes for public schools, then home schooling parents should be required to pay for testing, counseling, athletics and etc. Unless you live in a cave that is. In which case, why bother with schooling. :) Later, Tom |
Why not? We paid our taxes for that service already? Why shouldn't home
schoolers get some of what they paid for? -- Keith __ Some people are like Slinkies: not really good for anything, but you still can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs. "Jack Dale" wrote in message ... But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system. If you have principles, stick with them. |
Tuuk wrote:
Are you nuts?? Ah...mirror, morror anyone? See, it is educators like you that are the reason why our students here in the west are failing or far behind students globally. No, it is lack of adequate parenting that causes the majority of the problem, IMO. You apparently think the existence of the public school system is a valid basis on which parents can abdicate responsibility for child rearing. Home education *in addition to* that provided by the public, or private, education system, has *always* been a prerequiste for first rate education. West or East. And it is morons like Harry who are the reason why our workers are failing or far behind employment globally. Are you and harry brothers? I didn't see a "Harry" in the thread, but ad hominem vitriol as certainly pursuasive in informed debate... Jack,, Give your head a shake. "Physician, heal thyself" Don't tell me Jack,, you were an economics professor?? lol,, Parents should have better control on who is teaching their children, they should see a police record, employment record (if there is one) resume, and be allowed to interview the teachers who have influence on their children. They do in many other countries,,, lol,,, and their students do circles around the western student. Yes, and parent should get involved (as in PARTICIPATE, not spectate) in their kids education! Few parents I encounter even know the names of their children's teachers. Schools, and school boards, respond to the demands of the community (read 'parents'), and unfortunately, those demands are too often for a baby-sitting service that passes children from grade to grade irrespective of their level of attainment. Let me ask you a couple of questions: 1. Do you think teachers (or professors for that matter) *like* to reward students for substandard performance? 2. Do you think teachers (or professors for that matter) *like* to to have students so disruptive that the learning environment for other students is degraded, without having the disciplinary tools available to address, or even ameliorate, the situation (small clue here...parents don't *like* other people to discipline their unruly progeny)? 3. Do you think the responsibility for teaching respect, courtesy, and discipline lies with the public school teacher (i.e. instead of with the parents, as it has been since time immemorial)? If you answered "yes" to any of those questions, I'll be happy to mail you a quarter should you like to purchase a clue. Yes,, thanks for proving my point anyway there Jack,,, you teachers have failed both the taxpayer and the student and their future here in the west. Once again, you miss the point. Parents have the responsibility for preparing their children *for* school, monitoring their performance *at* school (P.T.A., parent-teacher conferences, etc.), and changing the educational system when it isn't functioning properly. We live in a democracy in the US, and inherent in the democratic process is both personal and social responsibility. Vote out the school board, the system *will* change. Sit back and carp on newsgroups on the other hand, and...oh, that's right, nothing happens. Get it? You know that the west is heading for third world status,, they just said so on the news as over 95% of all Christmas presents purchased in the west were manufactured offshore. Ever heard of the trade deficit? Ever heard of greed? We (in the US) live in the short term. We artifically elevate our standard of living (on the cheap labor of third world countries, to a large extent) without thought to long term consequences. That is a serious social/cultural issue we certainly need to address. Your postulate, however, that (and I'm paraphrasing of course) if our children were better educated, *we* would be making the clothes, shoes, toys, TV's, VCR's, DVD players, etc. that comprise the bulk of that "95%", is ludicrous on its face. These are produced by unskilled, or semi-skilled workers (as commonly defined), where the cost per unit rules the day (almost entirely a function of living standard), NOT the education level of the workforce. Sorry to snatch the easy bone from your jaws, but no, I'm not a teacher (never have been, not married to one). I was, however, lucky enough to have been raised by parents and grandparents who believed in education, and their rearing techniques reflected it. So I know adequate parenting when I see it, even seeing so rarely. And to those whining about a tax rebate for home schooling, how about for those who have no children? Shall I get a rebate for the 30 years I've been paying property taxes for schools I'm not using? Or the roads *I* don't personally drive on, or the Fire Department *I've* never personally used, or...get the point? Public education, as with all social services, benefits *society as a whole* when done properly. We all reap the benefits, we all pay the costs. We all have a responsibility to get out and do something when it's not done properly. Look at voter turnout and tell me how involved people are in society. Keith Hughes |
I have met (US and other) families in the Philippines and the Pacific
Islands who have home schooled out of necessity (lack of comprehensive western education). We considered it while living in the Philippines for 8 years with 3 school age children but opted for an international school (another story). More recently I had friends who set off to the So. Pacific with a preschooler, with plans to use the Calvet School course material. However, prior to their departure, I observed that this child was going to be a hand full. I hesitate to use the term "soiled" but IMHO, could have used a firm hand in a structured school enviornment. The parents had yet to demonstrate this "firm hand". In the subsequent years I read many emails that express their frustration in dealing with this childs schooling.. Since I haven't heard of this problems in the last year, I'm assuming (if I should) that the problems have been resolved. Jeff, the age of your sons is not the ideal age for removing them from their "good ole school days" routine and a great deal will depend upon how excepting they are of your plans. And how involved. I know you have cruised with them for the past couple of summers and can only assume that they enjoyed this more than they might have enjoy the routine summer activities back home. Having met you a couple years ago, I was left with the impression that you would make an excellent mentor and teacher and I have no doubt that all would benefit from your proposed adventure. Best regards (and hope to share a few anchorages this summer). Steve s/v Good Intentions |
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I'd be interested in what you've read. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
Tamaroak wrote:
My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a satellite Internet connection. Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure? I have not done this myself. I have observed many parents who have done so in the course of living on the boat. There's a program on TV about a dentist from Canada who took his children on a circumnavigation (boat was called Ocean Wanderer and that's the name of the series) starting when they were small. One of them has become a professional golfer I believe, and the other one has gone back to sea on a bigger boat because she thought she was too young to really appreciate the initial part of the trip. They had some problem with the boy (both children adopted) because he wasn't very interested in schooling. Part of it I think was that the mom was unsure of herself in this venue. It's kind of a hokey show IMHO, but some of it is interesting. I've met another couple from Canada who did a year on the boat - they are teachers and took a year's sabbatical. They had two boys about the ages of yours - one in middle school and one in 9th grade. The journal of their trip on Carellen is here. http://www.angelfire.com/sd/humpboattrip/ We met them in the Dismal Swamp http://www.angelfire.com/sd/humpboattrip/ where the bow of our boat is just visible on the left of their boat, and again in Oriental and then again in St. Augustine. There was a couple with a boat like ours (Jean Marie) that did a circumnavigation with girls that were 10 and 14 and both of them seemed to have turned out well. Friends of mine who both taught middle school (and were very good teachers BTW) until they retired early due to the restrictive policies no child left behind, and lack of support for the teachers or any possibility of discipline for the kids who did and said just exactly what they wanted, took their grandchild down to the Bahamas with them (she was living with them full time as her mom had no time for her) last winter, and after they got back, she did better in school than she has ever done before. They are down in Florida again this year. I also saw some live-aboard kids in Marathon when we were there last winter, The girls seem to miss the social life of school. Some of them went to a local school while they were living at the dock for several months. grandma Rosalie |
wherever there is education...its the parents, not the schools that
make a difference.......some folks love to have someone to pile on blame...so, why not select the school system? they should take a look at themselves 1st...imho..... |
And to those whining about a tax rebate for home schooling, how about for
those who have no children? Shall I get a rebate for the 30 years I've been paying property taxes for schools I'm not using? Or the roads *I* don't personally drive on, or the Fire Department *I've* never personally used, or...get the point? Public education, as with all social services, benefits *society as a whole* when done properly. We all reap the benefits, we all pay the costs. We all have a responsibility to get out and do something when it's not done properly. Look at voter turnout and tell me how involved people are in society. Keith Hughes Ummmm...in the context of the thread, the silly point was offered that home schoolers should be "consistent" in their philosophy and not seek any services from the public school system. Some of us pointed out that there is no inconsistency in this at all, since those who home school pay into the system through taxes and are entitled to get something out of it. Indeed, whatever services a home schooling parent would receive is far less than what has been paid in. Now, even if there were a "rebate" for home schooling, that money would be used to eduate the children in question, though outside of the public system. This would still provide the alleged societal benefit you are touting above. Unless, of course, the real issue isn't whether children receive an education but whether it is the government doing it? BTW: My wife is a public school teacher in So. California. She's a great teacher but it's a really crappy system--massively top heavy bureaucracy, wasteful, poorly run, etc. Granting that we cannot abolish the public education system entirely (my personal preference), we support vouchers as a good compromise. And as for the teacher's union, we got her out of that years ago (though we are obligated to pay a relatively small amount of dues that goes to the collective bargaining portion, but nothing that goes to support their political agenda). --Alan Gomes |
Let me jump in here! My neighbor raised 5 kids on a 39' custom sailboat in
Mexico. They went aboard ship when the first was 3 mo old and had 4 more aboard. All were home (boat) schooled until they reached high school age. That's when the kids and the parents felt the kids needed more peer interaction so they bought the house next door and moved ashore. All five kids excelled in regular high school and all five are now in college with the first graduating next year. One just spent a year in Japan as an exchange student and speaks good Japanese. I'm not sure how much home schooling benefitted the kids but it sure never hurt them! Might be the smart genes. Their father is from Poland! BTW; They still have the boat, have refinished it, got his license, and sells cruises out of Pt Angeles when he isn't working his internet cafe! Gordon "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter" paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote: Tuuk, From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they for the most part are doing very well. Paul I'd be interested in what you've read. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! "Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it." Rene Descartes |
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 20:41:40 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Alan Gomes wrote: And to those whining about a tax rebate for home schooling, how about for BTW: My wife is a public school teacher in So. California. She's a great teacher but it's a really crappy system--massively top heavy bureaucracy, wasteful, poorly run, etc. Granting that we cannot abolish the public education system entirely (my personal preference), we support vouchers as a good compromise. And as for the teacher's union, we got her out of that years ago (though we are obligated to pay a relatively small amount of dues that goes to the collective bargaining portion, but nothing that goes to support their political agenda). --Alan Gomes If you and your wife had any integrity, she'd quit working for the public school system altogether, and go to work for a private voucher system school, where she could be hired and fired on a whim, That's not true. Now if you are talking about the various religious centered schools (non-Catholic), then you might be right. earn about a third to a half less, Neither is that - at least in this area. Private schools are on a par, most have higher pay scales, than public schools. and, of course, not be a part of a teachers' retirement system. Just for the sake of argument, what's so great about the Teacher's Retirement System? In this state, the funds were raided and put into the General Fund and are funded every year instead of being a cumulative fund run by professional managers. Teacher's aren't eligible for Social Security benefits. None of that is provided by the NEA/AFT by the way - it's provided by the State. There are no health benefits provided by the NEA/AFT as there are in other Unions. In short, the NEA/AFT does nothing for their members after they leave service. Zero, zip, nada. Later, Tom |
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:56:44 GMT, "Gordon" wrote:
Let me jump in here! My neighbor raised 5 kids on a 39' custom sailboat in Mexico. They went aboard ship when the first was 3 mo old and had 4 more aboard. All were home (boat) schooled until they reached high school age. That's when the kids and the parents felt the kids needed more peer interaction so they bought the house next door and moved ashore. All five kids excelled in regular high school and all five are now in college with the first graduating next year. One just spent a year in Japan as an exchange student and speaks good Japanese. I'm not sure how much home schooling benefitted the kids but it sure never hurt them! Might be the smart genes. Their father is from Poland! BTW; They still have the boat, have refinished it, got his license, and sells cruises out of Pt Angeles when he isn't working his internet cafe! Again, that's one success story and with home schoolers, that's all you hear about. For even one success story, I can give you three marginal stories and one bad one. I'm not advocating public education over home or other schooling systems. I am saying that it's home schooling "success" is mostly based on "a friend" or "a neighbor" or "a friend of a neighbor". I've seen some success in home schooling (I coached girls softball and boys baseball for a number of years at the high school level), but I've also seen a bunch of disasters. You really need to evaluate the child and the parents to make sure they can do what needs to be done. Later, Tom |
Leaving much (edited for brevity) of Keith's diatribe for context, my
comments at the end: "Keith Hughes" wrote in message ... Yes, and parent should get involved (as in PARTICIPATE, not spectate) in their kids education! Few parents I encounter even know the names of their children's teachers. Schools, and school boards, respond to the demands of the community (read 'parents'), and unfortunately, those demands are too often for a baby-sitting service that passes children from grade to grade irrespective of their level of attainment. Once again, you miss the point. Parents have the responsibility for preparing their children *for* school, monitoring their performance *at* school (P.T.A., parent-teacher conferences, etc.), and changing the educational system when it isn't functioning properly. We live in a democracy in the US, and inherent in the democratic process is both personal and social responsibility. Vote out the school board, the system *will* change. Sit back and carp on newsgroups on the other hand, and...oh, that's right, nothing happens. Get it? Sorry to snatch the easy bone from your jaws, but no, I'm not a teacher (never have been, not married to one). I was, however, lucky enough to have been raised by parents and grandparents who believed in education, and their rearing techniques reflected it. So I know adequate parenting when I see it, even seeing so rarely. And to those whining about a tax rebate for home schooling, how about for those who have no children? Shall I get a rebate for the 30 years I've been paying property taxes for schools I'm not using? Or the roads *I* don't personally drive on, or the Fire Department *I've* never personally used, or...get the point? Public education, as with all social services, benefits *society as a whole* when done properly. We all reap the benefits, we all pay the costs. We all have a responsibility to get out and do something when it's not done properly. Look at voter turnout and tell me how involved people are in society. Keith Hughes Interesting you should say that. In our county, for a few years out of the last several, the fastest growing in the country (read: infrastructure challenges), 65 and over get exempted from the school portion of the property taxes. As that comprises about 90% of the property tax burden, and they then also get a homestead exemption, doubled for 65, seniors in our county get to kick back for a few years until they snuff it. If I'd have known that, I'd have the technical owner of my home having registered for that privilege! (My kids are long out of the system; I was very involved in their schooling and activities, and didn't begrudge the taxes paid.) (The technical owner part is that rather than take a deed, I did a contract for deed. So, the original owner is still "owner of record" despite our beneficial ownership. Because it's more appropriate at this time, I'll be getting the deed this year - but I'm some way from qualifying for the break, let alone that we're cutting the cord and leaving!) L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig http://tinyurl.com/384p2 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 11:48:45 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez
use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote: Interesting you should say that. In our county, for a few years out of the last several, the fastest growing in the country (read: infrastructure challenges), 65 and over get exempted from the school portion of the property taxes. Not in Connecticut. Or MA. Or RI. Or NY I believe. As that comprises about 90% of the property tax burden, and they then also get a homestead exemption, doubled for 65, seniors in our county get to kick back for a few years until they snuff it. If I'd have known that, I'd have the technical owner of my home having registered for that privilege! (My kids are long out of the system; I was very involved in their schooling and activities, and didn't begrudge the taxes paid.) Where do you live because that sure as hell doesn't happen in this state. Later, Tom |
Just a snippet from GMBs post here (BTW, Tom sends his regards):
There was a couple with a boat like ours (Jean Marie) that did a circumnavigation with girls that were 10 and 14 and both of them seemed to have turned out well. The girls from Jean Marie have done radically more than "all right." I can't begin to recite the accomplishments and differences between them and the usual student - but I'm sure their dad and mom would happily expound. They're a few boats down from us as they do a complete refit in Salt Creek Marina, and I've had several opportunities to chat them up in the course of going by. Suffice it to say, if you're involved, caring and willing to put in the work, kids who are home schooled - let alone in an international environment where they have to create their own entertainment as well as learn by osmosis - should easily outdistance conventionally schooled kids, and do it on less than half the time, to boot (no waiting for the slowest, no bureaucracy, no reviewing for the first 3 months to re-implant what was lost over the summer, etc.). L8R Skip and Lydia, trying desperately to get the boat finished before money and/or time runs out -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig http://tinyurl.com/384p2 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 12:00:31 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez
use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Suffice it to say, if you're involved, caring and willing to put in the work, kids who are home schooled - let alone in an international environment where they have to create their own entertainment as well as learn by osmosis - should easily outdistance conventionally schooled kids, and do it on less than half the time, to boot (no waiting for the slowest, no bureaucracy, no reviewing for the first 3 months to re-implant what was lost over the summer, etc.). And there is your answer. Not all that complicated huh? :) Later, Tom |
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