"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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What's the real count of those still unemployed, those who are
underemployed and those who've given up? Biggest numbers since the
1930s, I'd bet.

The Bush Economy is a failure. Just like its namesake.

What the heck is "underemployed?"

Insufficiently employed, not used to the optimum capacity. Chiefly of
persons or machinery.

As when a top industrial designer is laid off, cannot find new work in
his field, and is forced to accept a job doing whatever it is you do for
a living.

Nobody "is forced to accept a job", you choose to accept a job. Professions
and lines of work have come and gone throughout time and their is no
guarantee that your particular profession or line of work will be in demand
in the future. How many wheelwright jobs are there today?


And, why are you posting through a German news server?

Because it is a great news server and offers portability. Why, does it
bother you? If so, why? Why do you post via Comcast?

Just curious.

Bert

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:06:34 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


You know what, Gene? I believe you've made up your mind that the economy
stinks, and no statistic will convince you otherwise.


When you are peeing on my leg and telling me it is raining, I'm
supposed to believe it is cloudy because somebody said there was a 98%
chance of rain? You are stranger than I thought.... and I'd be a
total idiot if I bought into your scenario. Geesh...


The loss of manufacturing jobs has very little to do with the economy,
and
more to do with free trade in a world economy.

That is the most incredible "fact" I have ever heard. You are simply
not a rational person. There is nothing in this world that would
indicate to you that this economy is not as good as the statistics you
choose "proves" it to be. This is crazy.

Are you kidding me? *EVERY* single economic indicator that we've used to
gauge our economy for the last 50 or so years have been trending upward.
What is crazy is that you choose to ignore *all* of them...and then try to
prove that you know better than all of the indicators because of what's
happening your small corner of the world. A few anecdotal stories don't
paint the whole picture. I thought you were smarter than that. Look at the
national overall trend of the major economic indicators...and then tell me
the economy hasn't been improving for the last 4-6 months.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

Been boating lately?

Sure. I put 45+ hours on the motor since the 17th of December...and went
out fishing at least 6 times. How about you?

Any
boating stories to share?

As crabby as you doomsayers have been lately about the strongly improving
economy, I was afraid to depress you further with wonderful boating stories
while you guys are in drydock for the winter...but here goes:

Seas were the calmest I've ever seen them the past week. Red and gag
grouper bite is tremendous, but you have to go out at least 20 miles before
you start to consistently see keeper-size fish. Got my first "keeper" black
tip shark yesterday (about 5 foot long). Took my 2 and 4 year old, and my
mom out today and caught a half-dozen snapper. Is that better?

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:04:37 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:06:34 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


You know what, Gene? I believe you've made up your mind that the economy
stinks, and no statistic will convince you otherwise.


When you are peeing on my leg and telling me it is raining, I'm
supposed to believe it is cloudy because somebody said there was a 98%
chance of rain? You are stranger than I thought.... and I'd be a
total idiot if I bought into your scenario. Geesh...


The loss of manufacturing jobs has very little to do with the economy,
and
more to do with free trade in a world economy.

That is the most incredible "fact" I have ever heard. You are simply
not a rational person. There is nothing in this world that would
indicate to you that this economy is not as good as the statistics you
choose "proves" it to be. This is crazy.

Are you kidding me? *EVERY* single economic indicator that we've used to
gauge our economy for the last 50 or so years have been trending upward.
What is crazy is that you choose to ignore *all* of them...and then try to
prove that you know better than all of the indicators because of what's
happening your small corner of the world. A few anecdotal stories don't
paint the whole picture. I thought you were smarter than that. Look at the
national overall trend of the major economic indicators...and then tell me
the economy hasn't been improving for the last 4-6 months.


Do you mean to tell me that when NBC interviews Billy Bob in West
Virginia who says, " My brother has been out of work for six months
and can't find nothin' to do...," that his statement doesn't represent
the entire USA? NBC seems to imply that it does!

What gives here?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:18:53 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

Been boating lately?

Sure. I put 45+ hours on the motor since the 17th of December...and went
out fishing at least 6 times. How about you?

Any
boating stories to share?

As crabby as you doomsayers have been lately about the strongly improving
economy, I was afraid to depress you further with wonderful boating stories
while you guys are in drydock for the winter...but here goes:

Seas were the calmest I've ever seen them the past week. Red and gag
grouper bite is tremendous, but you have to go out at least 20 miles before
you start to consistently see keeper-size fish. Got my first "keeper" black
tip shark yesterday (about 5 foot long). Took my 2 and 4 year old, and my
mom out today and caught a half-dozen snapper. Is that better?



Where, dammit???


John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:04:37 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:06:34 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


You know what, Gene? I believe you've made up your mind that the
economy
stinks, and no statistic will convince you otherwise.


When you are peeing on my leg and telling me it is raining, I'm
supposed to believe it is cloudy because somebody said there was a 98%
chance of rain? You are stranger than I thought.... and I'd be a
total idiot if I bought into your scenario. Geesh...


The loss of manufacturing jobs has very little to do with the economy,
and
more to do with free trade in a world economy.

That is the most incredible "fact" I have ever heard. You are simply
not a rational person. There is nothing in this world that would
indicate to you that this economy is not as good as the statistics you
choose "proves" it to be. This is crazy.

Are you kidding me? *EVERY* single economic indicator that we've used to
gauge our economy for the last 50 or so years have been trending upward.
What is crazy is that you choose to ignore *all* of them...and then try
to
prove that you know better than all of the indicators because of what's
happening your small corner of the world. A few anecdotal stories don't
paint the whole picture. I thought you were smarter than that. Look at
the
national overall trend of the major economic indicators...and then tell
me
the economy hasn't been improving for the last 4-6 months.


Do you mean to tell me that when NBC interviews Billy Bob in West
Virginia who says, " My brother has been out of work for six months
and can't find nothin' to do...," that his statement doesn't represent
the entire USA? NBC seems to imply that it does!

And Gene just goes right along agreeing with Billy Bob, NBC, and Harry.

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 23:18:53 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Gene Kearns" wrote in message

Been boating lately?

Sure. I put 45+ hours on the motor since the 17th of December...and went
out fishing at least 6 times. How about you?

Any
boating stories to share?

As crabby as you doomsayers have been lately about the strongly improving
economy, I was afraid to depress you further with wonderful boating
stories
while you guys are in drydock for the winter...but here goes:

Seas were the calmest I've ever seen them the past week. Red and gag
grouper bite is tremendous, but you have to go out at least 20 miles
before
you start to consistently see keeper-size fish. Got my first "keeper"
black
tip shark yesterday (about 5 foot long). Took my 2 and 4 year old, and
my
mom out today and caught a half-dozen snapper. Is that better?



Where, dammit???


Caught the black tip about 8 miles SW of Sanibel Island. Caught the red and
gag grouper (over 70 of them total...but just one keeper) about 30 miles
west of Ft. Myers Beach. Water temps had fallen to 60 degrees the week
before Christmas, but were back up to 68 degrees yesterday. The fish are
starting to come out of their lethargy.