The nicest line of new production boats...
 

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 21:56:37 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

...I've seen in years...

Sabreliner.

They're just exquisite.

http://www.sabreyachts.com/

What's your favorite?

I've been thinking of this one to fit between the Contender and the
Ranger.

http://www.pacificskiffs.com/PBpages/PBV2600.html

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...

I've been thinking of this one to fit between the Contender and the
Ranger.

http://www.pacificskiffs.com/PBpages/PBV2600.html

Later,

Tom

Interesting boat .... but I am curious as to the ride. At almost 26 feet
and only 2300 lbs dry, it seems very light. Have you taken one out in some
3 footers?

Eisboch

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:20:56 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .

I've been thinking of this one to fit between the Contender and the
Ranger.

http://www.pacificskiffs.com/PBpages/PBV2600.html

Interesting boat .... but I am curious as to the ride. At almost 26 feet
and only 2300 lbs dry, it seems very light. Have you taken one out in some
3 footers?

Yes - the first time at mouth of the Merrimack River on a really bad
day - NE wind whipping around at 20/25. The second time was near
where Black Lab Marine is located in Maine.

They are very light for their size even loaded. The ride is rougher
than a glass boat of the same class, but not as bad as you might
think. I like the ability to trailer this boat from place-to-place
without much fuss or bother.

I'm still looking around for something to fit between the Ranger and
the Contender. My kids don't like the Ranger (no potti) and they are
afraid of the Contender. I'm searching for a compromise boat so that
the wimmenz can have their one and only creature comfort, but still
have a boat they can feel psychologically capable of handling.

Later,

Tom

"Harry Krause" wrote in
What's your favorite?

Being practical, I'd have to say the Saber 386.
Now if Karl would lend me a mill or so...I'd probably go for the full meal
deal... the Sabre 452.

Sabreliner.

They're just exquisite.

http://www.sabreyachts.com/

What's your favorite?


I dunno about "exquisite" but Sabres do have the rep of being well
built. They're handsome, if thoroughly conventional.

If I were choosing one as a gift, I'd pick the 38 Express if I could
have it with a single bigger Cummins. This isn't meant as an insult,
there is a long long list of boats I wouldn't accept for free...

Gene Kearns wrote:
They *do* look good...... I'm not crazy about foam or balsa core,
though....

Why? Properly built & properly maintained, core is great. Lasts 99.9% as
long as any other type of fiberglass.

In talking about longevity, remember the old codger discussing a certain
type of wood said to be resistant to rot: "Well mister, if you make a
fence post out of that wood, and another fence post out of granite...
the wood one will rot out about one year before the granite one does."

DSK

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
I've been thinking of this one to fit between the Contender and the
Ranger.

http://www.pacificskiffs.com/PBpages/PBV2600.html


I saw and went aboard a 23 WA, I was very impressed with the quality of the
welds and sturdiness of construction.

http://www.pacificskiffs.com/PBpages/PBV23.html

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 11:45:37 -0500, "tbd" wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
I've been thinking of this one to fit between the Contender and the
Ranger.

http://www.pacificskiffs.com/PBpages/PBV2600.html


I saw and went aboard a 23 WA, I was very impressed with the quality of the
welds and sturdiness of construction.

http://www.pacificskiffs.com/PBpages/PBV23.html

They are very well built - I'll say that for 'em.

Later,

Tom

Why? Properly built & properly maintained, core is great. Lasts 99.9% as
long as any other type of fiberglass.



Gene Kearns wrote:
I don't agree. Sandwiching a very soft, water-logable material between
two layers of rigid material, which can be reasonably expected to
flex, is not, IMHO, good engineering.

Really? How do you explain the thousands of 20+ year old sandwich
construction boats that are still light, still rigid, still competitive?


... A clever cost saving method,
perhaps, but not good engineering practice.

Here is what one surveyor has found with respect to cored hulls:
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/cored_hull_bottoms.htm
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/more_on_cores.htm
http://www.yachtsurvey.com/searay_ba...re_bottoms.htm

Ah yes, the famous Pascoe. But then, he is pointing out that *bad* types
of construction, including poorly made cored laminates, is... well, bad.

He seems to think this proves that there's no such thing as good
construction. But there is.

I really shouldn't argue. If everyone thinks that cored hulls and/or
decks are horrible, then that will drive down the prices on the type of
boats I'm most interested in ;)

Seriously, the biggest problem with cored construction is bad
maintenance. If the sandwich is pierced, then it needs to be sealed. The
bond between layers needs to be maintained. Most people don't pay enough
attention to bedding their deck fittings, or drill holes in things and
drive in self-tapper screws, or something equally destructive. Of course
it's the boat's fault!

Fair Skies
Doug King