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Harry Krause wrote:
K. Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: K. Smith wrote: LaBomba182 wrote: Subject: albin 28 flush deck From: "NOYB" "fishless" wrote in message lkaboutboats.com... I just purchased a 28 te new. Anyone have fuel consumption with the 315 yanmar? I had a patient tell me that his Albin 28 cruised at 18 knots with a burn rate of 13 gph. I found those numbers hard to believe, but amazing if true. Let us know. A new 28 True World Marine (planning hull) with a 315 Yanmar on a jack shaft does 30 mph cruise while burning approx. 6-7 gph. And 40 mph top end burning 10 - 11 gph Capt. Bill The boating magazines print this type of nonsense all the time, everyone knows they're inexperienced simpletons, but it's well out of order for the manufacturers to even allow such false marketing BS to remain uncorrected. Actually, the inexperienced simpleton is you. Most of the boating magazines that publish "testing results" know how to hook up and read a fuel flow meter. And their writers actually have access to boats. Unlike you. Also try to keep in mind my OBs like Yanmar use Toyota diesels as the core, so I just "might" have better first hand knowledge of this than most here; but hey always happy to check anything, so what on the point information have you got to say????? what?? nothing on the fuel usage grams/KW/hr??? nothing???......nothing at all??? as usual. You don't know feces from shoepolish. My comment was that the magazines that actually do testing of fuel flow or consumption actually do these tests and come up with legitimate figures. and that they don't just make up numbers and publish them. If I read an evaluation of the boat in question in Boating, and it was accompanied by "test" results, I would be those results would be for real. While the magazine doesn't publish a lot of negative info about the boats it looks over, it doesn't fake statistical data on boat tests. I didn't say "they" faked it what I did say & maintain is; The boating magazines print this type of nonsense all the time, everyone knows they're inexperienced simpletons, they're just too inexperienced to challenge what they're told!! Again so that even you may understand, a fuel flow check will tell you how much fuel some (NB some) petrol engines are using & the "flow" meters are reasonably accurate. However when it comes to diesel engines it's more complicated, certainly it's possible to set up a flow meter to give you the fuel used readout, but it's more than any of your magazine simpletons know about, so they never do it (because they can't:-)) What they do is just parrot the numbers given them by the seller!!! without any understanding or warning that this number might be just marketing BS. Indeed right there any magazine worth anything would be saying gee this claim is unsubstantiated in any real fashion, unchecked by us & is inconsistent with the known HP vs diesel consumption requirements of boats in this class, if the seller wants to promote the number it probably means most everything else they say is suspect??? Is it that anything else they know can't or won't readily be checked is also BS??? Is the hull layup & materials as claimed??? the base metal of the fittings?? the work quality in general???? Hmmm a magazine could get a real rep with readers, not so good with the advertisers they're really chasing. You claim to be in "union publishing" yet you don't even seem to have a clue about that Krause, the "magazines" get 2/5 or 3/8 of not much back from magazine "sales" to dreamers like you, after the distribution, retailer, returns etc in other words their income is from "paid" advertising, & that's why they are just another arm of marketing. How hard is it to go back to the engine manufacture or do the numbers themselves, not only will the most basic of effort uncover the fuel consumption numbers are a lie but worse, given the known state of how diesel engines work in this universe the spruiked numbers are impossible. Remember chucky's "test" on the other 28ftr??? a load of parroted marketing BS nothing more. I believe the fuel flow figures quoted by the original poster were from an ad, not from an independent test. Your OBs? What a crock of crap. Your claim that you "manufacture" some sort of diesel outboard is nothing but bullship. No one has ever seen one, no one has ever seen an ad for one, no one has ever seen a plant where you "manufacture" them, no one has ever seen a box in which you've shipped one, and there's no readily available information around that indicates you have any involvement in a going venture that manufactures anything. That monstrosity of a rusty kit-based "outboard" that you depict on the back of your clapped-out, piece of crap boat wouldn't sell as a boat anchor. Dear dear dear you're a jealous little liar aren't you?? I have never & don't make claims, however as far as Toyota based diesel marine engines go I do claim to have some understanding; but hey if anyone else wants to claim they use them & have different numbers, well let's hear it I'll be very very interested. Diesel engines are much more fuel efficient that petrol engines HP vs HP but they are also "mostly" (not all) heavier HP vs HP the raw numbers would say you can save 25-30% on fuel consumption using a diesel, but the extra weight etc etc means you will more likely see something closer to 20% because it takes more HP to push a heavier boat & the faster a boat is traveling the more impact any extra weight has. A 28ft boat doing 40 mph on 11 usgals/hr is just away with the fairies stuff & any experienced boat person would immediately call it for what it is, just as I call you as an uneducated lying union thug. K |
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