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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... ...the Bu****es are losing the war on terrorism. Op/Ed - The Nation The Nation Diplomatic Impunity Ari Berman Instead of trying to halt Iran's suspected nuclear weapons program through diplomatic engagement, the Bush Administration seems intent on undermining the most respected Diplomacy just buys Iran more time to develop nukes and figure out a way to put them on top of their next Shahab rocket that can reach the Eastern seaboard. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ink.net... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... ...the Bu****es are losing the war on terrorism. Op/Ed - The Nation The Nation Diplomatic Impunity Ari Berman Instead of trying to halt Iran's suspected nuclear weapons program through diplomatic engagement, the Bush Administration seems intent on undermining the most respected Diplomacy just buys Iran more time to develop nukes and figure out a way to put them on top of their next Shahab rocket that can reach the Eastern seaboard. I thought harry had started a post about asslicker. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... ...the Bu****es are losing the war on terrorism. Op/Ed - The Nation The Nation Diplomatic Impunity Ari Berman Instead of trying to halt Iran's suspected nuclear weapons program through diplomatic engagement, the Bush Administration seems intent on undermining the most respected Diplomacy just buys Iran more time to develop nukes and figure out a way to put them on top of their next Shahab rocket that can reach the Eastern seaboard. Sorry, but there's no reason to take any of your political posts seriously. By your own admission, you try hard to go over the top on these. I'm serious in what I said. Iran is using the World's diplomatic pussyfooting in order to buy more time in developing nukes that can fit on a Shahab-5 warhead that can reach the Eastern US. I'll reserve comment as to what the proper US response should be...lest you think that I'm "trying hard to go over the top". |
NOYB wrote:
I'm serious in what I said. C'mon, even you don't think you're serious ... Iran is using the World's diplomatic pussyfooting in order to buy more time in developing nukes that can fit on a Shahab-5 warhead that can reach the Eastern US. I'll reserve comment as to what the proper US response should be...lest you think that I'm "trying hard to go over the top". What is a Shahab-5? Why do you expect it to have greater than a 7x improvement on range over the Shahab-3? http://www.command-post.org/nk/2_archives/014415.html As for Iran developing nuclear potential, I agree that it's ridiculous. They're sitting on the world's largest supply of oil, they don't need nuclear power. What's the nost practical way of preventing it? Acting like a bunch of fundie whackoes ourselves, alienating the rest of the world even further, and strengthening the most conservative.... oops, I meant radical religious... political element in Iran? DSK |
"DSK" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: I'm serious in what I said. C'mon, even you don't think you're serious ... Iran is using the World's diplomatic pussyfooting in order to buy more time in developing nukes that can fit on a Shahab-5 warhead that can reach the Eastern US. I'll reserve comment as to what the proper US response should be...lest you think that I'm "trying hard to go over the top". What is a Shahab-5? Why do you expect it to have greater than a 7x improvement on range over the Shahab-3? http://www.command-post.org/nk/2_archives/014415.html As for Iran developing nuclear potential, I agree that it's ridiculous. They're sitting on the world's largest supply of oil, they don't need nuclear power. Being in the nuclear weapons club gives you more clout when dealing with other nations. It has nothing to do with the generation of electricity. What's the nost practical way of preventing it? Acting like a bunch of fundie whackoes ourselves, alienating the rest of the world even further, and strengthening the most conservative.... oops, I meant radical religious... political element in Iran? I believe that the Isreali's already know how to solve this problem! |
"DSK" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: I'm serious in what I said. C'mon, even you don't think you're serious ... Iran is using the World's diplomatic pussyfooting in order to buy more time in developing nukes that can fit on a Shahab-5 warhead that can reach the Eastern US. I'll reserve comment as to what the proper US response should be...lest you think that I'm "trying hard to go over the top". What is a Shahab-5? The Shahab-5 is a multiple stage fuel rocket claimed as an intermediate-range missile. The missile is believed to be based on the North Korean Taep'o-Dong 1 and Taep'o-Dong 2. As a result of its likely inaccuracy, the missile's utility is probably restricted to attacking population centers or spreading radiation rather than hitting military targets. The missile is thus probably more of a blackmail or terrorist weapon than a military asset. The Shahab-5 is still in development and is not slated to enter service in Iran until about 2005. There is little concrete information regarding its capabilities, other than that it will likely consist of two or three liquid/solid propellant stages. The integration of technology from the North Korean Taep'o Dong 2 missile into the Shahab-5 represents a substantial security concern for the United States. The Shahab-5 represents a significant technological leap for a rogue state, and is a stepping stone to the development of an ICBM. Effectively doubling the strike capacity of Iran, even as it continues its nuclear weapons program, places most of Europe, Russia and Asia within range. The United Kingdom, a staunch ally of the United States, is completely vulnerable to an attack, as are a number of key US allies. The development of a nuclear warhead for the Shahab-5 and Shahab-6 will undermine the ability of the United States to operate in the region and give Iran considerable political leverage. The potential of the transfer of this technology to other rogue states or terrorist groups is also substantial. Iran's military is known to support terrorist groups and the Iranian government has little control of its own missile force. The Shahab-5 has the shorter range of the new class of long range missiles being produced by Iran in conjunction with North Korea. Like the Shabab-6, the Shahab-5 owes most of its technology to the North Korean Taep'o-Dong 2, which in turn is largely derived from technology from the People's Republic of China. Why do you expect it to have greater than a 7x improvement on range over the Shahab-3? Because it's based on multiple-stage technology from North Korea that has already been deemed capable of striking the US West Coast. http://www.command-post.org/nk/2_archives/014415.html As for Iran developing nuclear potential, I agree that it's ridiculous. They're sitting on the world's largest supply of oil, they don't need nuclear power. What's the nost practical way of preventing it? A full aerial assault on every known or suspected nuclear production facility within Iran. |
"DSK" wrote in message . .. NOYB wrote: I'm serious in what I said. C'mon, even you don't think you're serious ... Iran is using the World's diplomatic pussyfooting in order to buy more time in developing nukes that can fit on a Shahab-5 warhead that can reach the Eastern US. I'll reserve comment as to what the proper US response should be...lest you think that I'm "trying hard to go over the top". What is a Shahab-5? Why do you expect it to have greater than a 7x improvement on range over the Shahab-3? Because it will probably be an ICBM: http://www.acq.osd.mil/mda/mdalink/bcmt/mrbm_irbm_3.htm |
What is a Shahab-5? Why do you expect it to have greater than a 7x
improvement on range over the Shahab-3? NOYB wrote: Because it will probably be an ICBM: http://www.acq.osd.mil/mda/mdalink/bcmt/mrbm_irbm_3.htm You should have looked a little further in the same web site http://www.acq.osd.mil/mda/mdalink/bcmt/mrbm_irbm_5.htm Note that nobody, not China, not India (who have both been building missiles for a long time) have an ICBM with a range over 2,000 miles. It is 6,000 miles from Iran to the closest point of the U.S. You know why they call it rocket science? Lemme 'splain it to you in simple words... the Iranians are not going to improve their rockets that much any time soon... think decades. Now, let's talk about a realistic threat scenario instead... smuggling a dirty bomb (conventional explosives packed into nuclear material) into the U.S. and setting it off. But hey, you know, that would be really tricky to defend against, so I can see why the Bushies want to chase pie in the sky boogey men instead. DSK |
"DSK" wrote in message ... What is a Shahab-5? Why do you expect it to have greater than a 7x improvement on range over the Shahab-3? NOYB wrote: Because it will probably be an ICBM: http://www.acq.osd.mil/mda/mdalink/bcmt/mrbm_irbm_3.htm You should have looked a little further in the same web site http://www.acq.osd.mil/mda/mdalink/bcmt/mrbm_irbm_5.htm Note that nobody, not China, not India (who have both been building missiles for a long time) have an ICBM with a range over 2,000 miles. It is 6,000 miles from Iran to the closest point of the U.S. Doh! You do know why it's called an *INTERCONTINENTAL* Ballistic Missile, don't you? Since 1981, China has had ICBM's that can reach the continental US: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/icbm/ Are you drinking heavily lately? It's getting too easy to beat you in an argument. I remember the days when you at least put up a decent fight. |
On Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:55:16 -0500, Bert Robbins wrote:
I believe that the Isreali's already know how to solve this problem! Perhaps, it is because Israel has nukes, that others in the region are interested in obtaining them. |
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