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I spent much of yesterday learning about Grand Banks Eastbay express cruisers.
There are several configurations, all with different appendages to the model name. The one most likely to sell well in the Pacific Northwest with be the SX (sedan express) model featuring a bulkhead between the cockpit and the salon. The boat performed well on a trial run. Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. There are obviously not a lot of screws exposed on finished surfaces on a boat of this caliber. In certain locations, such as the teak instrument console above the front cabin windows, exposed screws are appropriate because the buyer of the boat will be removing those panels to install clocks, barometers, electronics, and other accessories. Not only are the screws installed in an arrow straight line and absolutley evenly spaced, when the screws are installed they are turned to a point where the slots are identically positioned. Phillips screws, for example, will have one slot perfectly parallel and the other perpendicular to the edge of the panel. Lining the screws up uniformly does not, in and of itself, make a boat better or worse than another, but the fact that the builder has the capacity to even contemplate that such a detail *could* be noticed is encouraging. :-) |
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I think that's called Pride in Workmanship.
Something that is getting increasingly rare. You're right, it doesn't have anything to do with how well the craft performs, but adds to the overall satisfaction of ownership in a well made product . Bill "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... I spent much of yesterday learning about Grand Banks Eastbay express cruisers. There are several configurations, all with different appendages to the model name. The one most likely to sell well in the Pacific Northwest with be the SX (sedan express) model featuring a bulkhead between the cockpit and the salon. The boat performed well on a trial run. Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. There are obviously not a lot of screws exposed on finished surfaces on a boat of this caliber. In certain locations, such as the teak instrument console above the front cabin windows, exposed screws are appropriate because the buyer of the boat will be removing those panels to install clocks, barometers, electronics, and other accessories. Not only are the screws installed in an arrow straight line and absolutley evenly spaced, when the screws are installed they are turned to a point where the slots are identically positioned. Phillips screws, for example, will have one slot perfectly parallel and the other perpendicular to the edge of the panel. Lining the screws up uniformly does not, in and of itself, make a boat better or worse than another, but the fact that the builder has the capacity to even contemplate that such a detail *could* be noticed is encouraging. :-) |
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Sorry to hear you feel this way. This *IS* a boating newsgroup.
Were the folks complaining also the ones who can only post OT politics here? -Jim Gould 0738 wrote: removed Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. removed |
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Ericson Yachts did that. They used flat blade screws everywhere, and
all screw heads faced for and aft. Jim Gould 0738 wrote: I spent much of yesterday learning about Grand Banks Eastbay express cruisers. There are several configurations, all with different appendages to the model name. The one most likely to sell well in the Pacific Northwest with be the SX (sedan express) model featuring a bulkhead between the cockpit and the salon. The boat performed well on a trial run. Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. There are obviously not a lot of screws exposed on finished surfaces on a boat of this caliber. In certain locations, such as the teak instrument console above the front cabin windows, exposed screws are appropriate because the buyer of the boat will be removing those panels to install clocks, barometers, electronics, and other accessories. Not only are the screws installed in an arrow straight line and absolutley evenly spaced, when the screws are installed they are turned to a point where the slots are identically positioned. Phillips screws, for example, will have one slot perfectly parallel and the other perpendicular to the edge of the panel. Lining the screws up uniformly does not, in and of itself, make a boat better or worse than another, but the fact that the builder has the capacity to even contemplate that such a detail *could* be noticed is encouraging. :-) |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
snip Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, snip I enjoy your boating observations Chuck, I would ignor those who oppose or find fault with your boat reviews etc. I am little surprised that they bother you. The GB and other trawler styles are somthing that I would like to consider someday for crusing with the wife. It will most likely stay just a dream, but hay thats ok. To bad we don't get to see them here at the Atlanta boat show. Capt Jack R. |
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Jack Redington wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote: snip Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, snip I enjoy your boating observations Chuck, I would ignor those who oppose or find fault with your boat reviews etc. I am little surprised that they bother you. The GB and other trawler styles are somthing that I would like to consider someday for crusing with the wife. It will most likely stay just a dream, but hay thats ok. To bad we don't get to see them here at the Atlanta boat show. Capt Jack R. Candidly I'm a tad surprised also. I assume you won't make it a straight out ad & certainly like everything else here it's up for review, or is that the real issue??? you don't want it openly reviewed?? Assuming you don't mind an open free discussion why not post the article?? At least it's on topic as several other posters have noted. As for the screws being in a straight line?? Hmmm it "might" indicate good workmanship throughout or a propensity to market to the easily impressed at every opportunity. GBs are lovely looking boats so I hope the new issues are also but there have been some quality issues over the years here as I suspect there has been in the US?? Maybe your article can reassure us on this??? I'll even leave Harry's lies out of the sig if it helps you gather up some dutch courage:-) K |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
I spent much of yesterday learning about Grand Banks Eastbay express cruisers. There are several configurations, all with different appendages to the model name. The one most likely to sell well in the Pacific Northwest with be the SX (sedan express) model featuring a bulkhead between the cockpit and the salon. The boat performed well on a trial run. Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. Why would you pay the slightest attention to those whiners? Go ahead and post. Besides, this is one of my favorite boats. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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If this upsets wingnuts like Karen...I say post them all day long.
Wonder how our Outback Ozzie would like it if you simply added each new review on top of a long list of previous reviews...such as she does aka her obsession with Harry. Gould 0738 wrote in message snip... Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. snip... |
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If this upsets wingnuts like Karen...I say post them all day long. Wonder how our Outback Ozzie would like it if you simply added each new review on top of a long list of previous reviews...such as she does aka her obsession with Harry. Gould 0738 wrote in message snip... Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. snip... You think she/it is obsessed with me? I have to admit, when I get into the shower each morning, I do look around first for an ugly, overweight and old Australian broad/guy wielding a cheap, rusty knife... -- Email sent to is never read. |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ......when I get into the shower each morning, I do look around first I guess that's right before you commute down to Ullico to help them f-over and rob some more American workers. Happy New Year, Harry! ********************************* http://www.ullico.com/a/prcontact.html UNION CORRUPTION UPDATE --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Information on America's most corrupt & aggressive unions ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ULLICO Union Pension-Owned Company Set to Lose $20-$30 Million Its stock windfall from the bankrupt Global Crossing now gone, the union pension-owned Ullico company lost money in 2002 for the first time in 11 years, its CEO, Robert Georgine, admitted on Feb. 21. In a meeting with the Board of Directors, Georgine, former head of the AFL-CIO's Bldg. & Construction Trades Dept., blamed chief financial officer John Grelle for the losses. Days later, Grelle resigned in protest, blasting Georgine for not selling the company jet, which costs $3 million a year. There was no indication if Grelle also called on Georgine and other union boss directors of Ullico to return the more than $6 million they made in inside deals of Ullico stock in 2000 and 2001. In the late 90s, Ullico was able to buy Global Crossing stock at its initial public offering (IPO) price. By 1999, a $7.6 million investment had mushroomed to $335 million. After pricing its own stock at a set $25 per share, Ullico directors changed the rules, setting a new price at the beginning of each year. In the Fall of 1999, Ullico sold $127 million of that windfall. With Ullico's stock set to increase from $54 to $146 a share, many of the union boss directors, including Georgine, bought their own company stock at the lower price. As the telecom bubble deflated over the next two years, Global Crossing spiraled toward bankruptcy, and Ullico's stock took a tumble, the Ullico directors who had bought their stock at $54 a share were given two opportunities to sell it back, the first time for $146 a share, the second time for $75. As Georgine and the other Ullico officials made $6.7 million in profits, the union pension funds that own Ullico could not take advantage of the same deal. By the time the books are closed on 2002, Ullico is expected to have lost between $20 and $30 million. On March 3, the insurance rating service, A.M. Best, downgraded Ullico to "vulnerable." Georgine claims that hiring a management-consulting firm will help. But the board reportedly also discussed slashing Ullico staff salaries by 25 percent. [Business Week 3/17/03] "Special" Cmte. Votes for Release of Thompson Report, but Waffles on Returning Profits An advisory committee of Ullico board members who didn't participate in the stock deals recommended the public release of an internal report on the scandal that Ullico CEO Robert Georgine has quashed. But the committee also voted against requiring board members to return their insider profits. Georgine picked his friend, former Illinois governor James Thompson, to conduct an internal investigation last April. Georgine apparently did not like Thompson's conclusions last November, because he invoked attorney-client privilege to keep the report from the public, and federal investigators. The special committee voted to recommend the report's release on March 25, three days before a scheduled meeting of the full Ullico board. But the committee voted against requiring those union officials sitting on the board to return the money they made buying and selling their own Ullico stock before the price of that stock was scheduled to be lowered in 2000 and 2001. |
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Wonder how Harry feels about his beloved Ullico moving hundreds of employees
to Maryland to circumvent taxes, and receive government loans. http://tinyurl.com/yt2rl |
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"Joe" wrote
Wonder how Harry feels about his beloved Ullico moving hundreds of employees to Maryland to circumvent taxes, and receive government loans. Who can tell? from the article-- "State and Montgomery County officials attracted 314 Ullico employees with loans, training grants and a possible tax credit. " I'm thinking there were probably some unpublicized sidebar agreements wherein various unions representing State and County workers "promised" not to strike for some period of time if the move were effected. In any other area of commercial activity in the US, that would be called by its proper name -- extortion. |
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100,000 square feet for 314 employees in an office?
Joe wrote: Wonder how Harry feels about his beloved Ullico moving hundreds of employees to Maryland to circumvent taxes, and receive government loans. http://tinyurl.com/yt2rl |
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Any suggestions on how to protect your deposit money if you have to
say "no thanks"? Make the purchase subject to a survey of the vessel just prior to paying the balance. (Very good idea, any way). Include language in the contract that failure to deliver a vessel essentially identical to the boat displayed as a sample (or without structural defects) will be considered a material and incurable breach of the contract. Where are you seeing a steady stream of crappy GB's? |
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Not sure where they are being
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Gould 0738 wrote:
Not sure where they are being built Singapore. I'm not positive but you might check that also Chuck, I was told they're currently billed as singapore but made in Malaysia??? I only pass that on it's not my statement. I have seen one that the owner actually paid a "local" surveyor to supervise the construction, he got ripped off twice, once by a substandard boat & also by the "independent" surveyor. I accept this was some years ago when they were made in hong kong & readily acknowledge things might have improved, but it's a reputation they need to live down & getting the dash screws in a straight line doesn't quite do it for me:-) Still lovely looking boats particularly when pressed, they seem to sit much more level than most semi displacement hulls. K |
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I'm not positive but you might check that also Chuck, I was told
they're currently billed as singapore but made in Malaysia??? I only pass that on it's not my statement. I'll run up a flag of truce to respond to just this one item. I was told that there are plants in both Singapore and Malaysia. I was told the two plants sit on opposite sides of a common bay. Certain operations are performed at both plants. When a hull has to be moved from one plant to the other, it involves towing the boat out of the bay and reentering through "customs" to the other side. |
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Gould 0738 wrote:
I'm not positive but you might check that also Chuck, I was told they're currently billed as singapore but made in Malaysia??? I only pass that on it's not my statement. I'll run up a flag of truce to respond to just this one item. I was told that there are plants in both Singapore and Malaysia. I was told the two plants sit on opposite sides of a common bay. Certain operations are performed at both plants. When a hull has to be moved from one plant to the other, it involves towing the boat out of the bay and reentering through "customs" to the other side. No need for a truce?? We can argue about things, particularly boat things, that's why we're really he-) Besides seems this time we're both right!! Excellent, nobody had to die in a ditch, none of that:-) The GBs got a bit of a reputation in the 80s but as you know the "locals" really **** canned the "imports" so they blew every little thing into a massive drama, of course usually overlooking their own little faux pas here & the-) Trouble is now those same "locals" get their boats built in similar places:-) Big boats are complex & it's not often a bigger boat doesn't have some settling in issues, you'll have a few even with just a new engine. Thanks for the info. K |
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Sounds like a nice boat Chuck. How were the handling characteristics?
Any single screw wobble or difficulty holding a heading? How about riding the waves? Happy New Year, Capt Frank http://www.home.earthlink.net/~aartworks Gould 0738 wrote: I spent much of yesterday learning about Grand Banks Eastbay express cruisers. There are several configurations, all with different appendages to the model name. The one most likely to sell well in the Pacific Northwest with be the SX (sedan express) model featuring a bulkhead between the cockpit and the salon. The boat performed well on a trial run. Due to a number of people expressing a profound unhappiness with my posting opinions and observations about various boats in the NG, I'll not stir up the hornets again with a full description of the boat and its handling characteristics or amenities. Perhaps I can sneak under the radar with a tiny observation, however. There are obviously not a lot of screws exposed on finished surfaces on a boat of this caliber. In certain locations, such as the teak instrument console above the front cabin windows, exposed screws are appropriate because the buyer of the boat will be removing those panels to install clocks, barometers, electronics, and other accessories. Not only are the screws installed in an arrow straight line and absolutley evenly spaced, when the screws are installed they are turned to a point where the slots are identically positioned. Phillips screws, for example, will have one slot perfectly parallel and the other perpendicular to the edge of the panel. Lining the screws up uniformly does not, in and of itself, make a boat better or worse than another, but the fact that the builder has the capacity to even contemplate that such a detail *could* be noticed is encouraging. :-) |
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Sounds like a nice boat Chuck. How were the handling characteristics?
Any single screw wobble or difficulty holding a heading? How about riding the waves? Happy New Year, Capt Frank No single screw wobble, the boat is configured with twin 450HP CATs. See a more complete description in the thread Eastbay 43, and I would be happy to comment beyond the text. One day aboard the boat doesn't make me any sort of expert on the vessel, so what you will read in the thread are observations and impressions. :-) |
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