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flame gauze
Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of
the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar with that term either. He (Johnathon Watson for those of you who know of him) has passed away since doing the survey. Thanks |
Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of
the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar with that term either. That's a term commonly used in the UK. In fact, if your boat is propelled by a "petrol" engine, you're apparetnly required (in the UK) to have a gauze around the fill and vent lines. I think this is a sort of flame retarding material, something like (but surely not) asbestos. ************ 7.1.2 A vessel should be provided with a fuel tank of sufficient capacity for the main engines, and its area of operation. All fuel tanks vents should be fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried to at or above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from escaping fuel or vapour. ********** From: http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga-gu...-guidance___re gulations-inland/dqs_iw_code/dqs_machinery_petrol_code.htm |
sel1 wrote:
Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar with that term either. He (Johnathon Watson for those of you who know of him) has passed away since doing the survey. Thanks The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new fuel vent outlet. K |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new fuel vent outlet. K There are at least four major English dialects, British, American, Canadian, and Australian. Fuel gauze mey be a term that is used in Aus. as well as in Brit. I have a hard time reconciling your description with the language from the UK regulations. What am I missing? " All fuel tanks vents should be fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried to at or above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from escaping fuel or vapour." "Carried to" seems to imply a material running some distance, rather than a bit of screen stuffed in the fill tube. Is Aussie speak close enough to Brit speak that you understand the precise meaning of the regulation? Thanks in advance. Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be wrong....never. |
JimH wrote:
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new fuel vent outlet. K There are at least four major English dialects, British, American, Canadian, and Australian. Fuel gauze mey be a term that is used in Aus. as well as in Brit. I have a hard time reconciling your description with the language from the UK regulations. What am I missing? " All fuel tanks vents should be fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried to at or above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from escaping fuel or vapour." "Carried to" seems to imply a material running some distance, rather than a bit of screen stuffed in the fill tube. Is Aussie speak close enough to Brit speak that you understand the precise meaning of the regulation? Thanks in advance. Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be wrong....never. But this is a real worry, is it possible he's so ignorant of boat matters that he doesn't realise??? Honestly no wonder he's the OT queen. ALL "installed" petrol tanks have a vent which "must" vent to outside the boat?? (this is all in the USL code) The vent must be fitted with a flame proof gauze (usually stainless but other non flammable material is OK) I think you'll have a hard time even buying a fuel tank vent that isn't fitted with a flame proof gauze. Here they're cheap enough, here's a link; http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_it...AbsolutePage=1 & that's A$ NB A$12.95 Have a look Chuck it's that little (usually chrome) about 1" diam thingo you see up high on the hull near where ever the tank is mounted. The link you posted is correct, you just don't know how to read it. K |
K. Smith wrote:
JimH wrote: "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The fuel tank's vent (usually the little chrome fitting under the gunwale high on the outside of the hull) must have a flame arresting gauze in it, over time they fall to bits. Easiest to just fit a new fuel vent outlet. K There are at least four major English dialects, British, American, Canadian, and Australian. Fuel gauze mey be a term that is used in Aus. as well as in Brit. I have a hard time reconciling your description with the language from the UK regulations. What am I missing? " All fuel tanks vents should be fitted with a flame gauze as required by BS/EN/ISO 10088, and carried to at or above tank filling plate level and where there should be no danger from escaping fuel or vapour." "Carried to" seems to imply a material running some distance, rather than a bit of screen stuffed in the fill tube. Is Aussie speak close enough to Brit speak that you understand the precise meaning of the regulation? Thanks in advance. Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be wrong....never. But this is a real worry, is it possible he's so ignorant of boat matters that he doesn't realise??? Honestly no wonder he's the OT queen. ALL "installed" petrol tanks have a vent which "must" vent to outside the boat?? (this is all in the USL code) The vent must be fitted with a flame proof gauze (usually stainless but other non flammable material is OK) I think you'll have a hard time even buying a fuel tank vent that isn't fitted with a flame proof gauze. Here they're cheap enough, here's a link; http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_it...AbsolutePage=1 & that's A$ NB A$12.95 Have a look Chuck it's that little (usually chrome) about 1" diam thingo you see up high on the hull near where ever the tank is mounted. The link you posted is correct, you just don't know how to read it. K OOps sorry here's a link with a pic, you can see the gauze:-) from the same place: http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_it...AbsolutePage=3 K |
The common term for that item in the US is a vent screen.
To the original poster: if you can ignore the pleasant personal remarks from K Smith and "Me Too", you need to replace the screens in your fuel tank vent lines. |
Gould 0738 wrote:
Gould's shorts are slowly bunching into a tight knot. He can never be wrong....never. Fornicate thee. Do you see a similarity between the description in the UK regs regarding fuel gauze and a bit of material stuffed into a fill pipe? If so, good for you. I didn't so I asked for some additional information. I learn something new every day. Of course, it doesn't matter to a guy who doesn't even own a boat and only hangs around here to stir crap. Nice hobby you got there. That has to be the 10th time you have fantasized about my underwear. Posting unprovoked personal comments might not be your only hobby. Chuck you are the most abusive person here!!! Anyone who doesn't kowtow to you &/or your non boating lying mate Krause is attacked. Honestly Chuck I know you come from the "sell, sell, sell" side of life but you should know about basic safety stuff. Even for your own good:-) You still don't seem to be able to read the UK reg. ???? which is the same outcome as all the others, just framed differently. It's not the "fill" pipe, that pipe usually has a proper sealing closure on it (the lid??), it's the tank's small vent line, the one that lets air in to replace consumed fuel; but much much more importantly for the safety of the tank & boat, it lets air AND fuel vapours out as the tank heats up etc. On a hot day there is some flow of fuel vapour out the vent; it needs a flame gauze so if there is an ignition source around; say that lying idiot Krause smoking?? on the wharf of course because he's never actually been boating:-) K |
Also Sprach K. Smith :
I think you'll have a hard time even buying a fuel tank vent that isn't fitted with a flame proof gauze. Actually, I did buy one here in the US. It was crap, I returned it. For those of you wondering how this works, the mesh screen acts as a quenching device preventing a flame in the fuel vapor outside the vent from passing inside the vent. The type of flamable vapor determines the size of mesh (or orifice) reqired. It's been a while, but seem to recall that the quenching distance for gasoline vapor in air is somewhere around 2mm. I've seen several vents with large gauge mesh which I suspect would not prevent flame spread. BTW Chuck, I do think that Karen is correct on this one. We use what you describe all the time in aircraft engine installations, it's called firesleeve. http://www.sacskyranch.com/h_fire.htm -- Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets. Imagination without skill gives us modern art. -- Tom Stoppard |
Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar with that term either. Another name for this is "Flame Screen". It normally consist of "screen" material (stainless, brass, steel) with a requirement of 30x30 mesh. Check your local regs for exact requirements of "mesh" (In US, that would be 30 "holes"/inch along a side of a square inch) for your country. otn otn |
Chuck you are the most abusive person here!!! Anyone who doesn't kowtow
to you &/or your non boating lying mate Krause is attacked. Bull****. Look back in the thread. Did I "attack" Jimmie Me Too, or did he just come charging in making comments about underwear, etc, without any provocation? Check that out, and express an opinion. I don't chase people around the NG trying to pick a fight, but I am getting a bit less tolerant of a small group of mental midgets with no other apparent purpose here. When they come looking for me, they may not much like what ther're going to find in the future. You can often be too plain spoken and abusive for your own good. Even though you are often wrong, (or at least controversial) in some of your opinions and you often become insulting without provocation, you are at least a boater. That puts you ahead of some here who are not. Honestly Chuck I know you come from the "sell, sell, sell" side of life but you should know about basic safety stuff. Even for your own good:-) In the US, we more routinely use the term "screen" rather than "gauze" for the same material. You can talk about a flame arresting "screen" on a carb, an alternator, or what not and everybody will know what you mean. "Gauze" is really cryptic. If that was a US survey, the surveyor should have done the customer a favor and expressed his recommendations in commonspeak. And yeah, I come from the sell, sell, sell side of the business. You ought to be darn grateful for guys like me. If we didn't sell, sell, sell all this stuff, stuff, stuff, there wouldn't be much for you to fix, fix, fix, would there? :-) |
Also Sprach Gould 0738 :
Do you see a similarity between the description in the UK regs regarding fuel gauze and a bit of material stuffed into a fill pipe? If so, good for you. I didn't so I asked for some additional information. I learn something new every day. First of, we were discussing a bit of gauze stuffed into a vent pipe, not a fill pipe... and that is exactly what the UK regs were talking about. Here's a quote from another UK boat safety site by their Environment Agency: "Any flame close to or at the end of the vent pipe could flash back into the fuel tank. Because of this, each vent pipe opening must be fitted with an effective flame arrester (see diagram - outlet of vent pipe below deck level) that prevents flashback. It's recommended that the flame arrester has gauze with mesh not less than 11 to the linear centimetre (or 28 to the linear inch) and to be effective the gauze must also completely cover the pipe opening. You can help maintain its effectiveness by keeping it clear of debris such as paint or spiders' webs." http://www.boatsafetyscheme.com Dan -- JESUS SAVES, but I makes backups! |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Chuck you are the most abusive person here!!! Anyone who doesn't kowtow to you &/or your non boating lying mate Krause is attacked. Bull****. Look back in the thread. Did I "attack" Jimmie Me Too, or did he just come charging in making comments about underwear, etc, without any provocation? Check that out, and express an opinion. I don't chase people around the NG trying to pick a fight, but I am getting a bit less tolerant of a small group of mental midgets with no other apparent purpose here. When they come looking for me, they may not much like what ther're going to find in the future. You can often be too plain spoken and abusive for your own good. Even though you are often wrong, (or at least controversial) in some of your opinions and you often become insulting without provocation, you are at least a boater. That puts you ahead of some here who are not. Honestly Chuck I know you come from the "sell, sell, sell" side of life but you should know about basic safety stuff. Even for your own good:-) In the US, we more routinely use the term "screen" rather than "gauze" for the same material. You can talk about a flame arresting "screen" on a carb, an alternator, or what not and everybody will know what you mean. "Gauze" is really cryptic. If that was a US survey, the surveyor should have done the customer a favor and expressed his recommendations in commonspeak. And yeah, I come from the sell, sell, sell side of the business. You ought to be darn grateful for guys like me. If we didn't sell, sell, sell all this stuff, stuff, stuff, there wouldn't be much for you to fix, fix, fix, would there? :-) Time for some chill pills Chuckie. It is ok to be wrong. But it is not ok not to see that you are. Time for another break from the NG Chuck like you did last year. You are about to explode once again. 'Tis only a NG. Relax and take a deep breath. |
Gould 0738 wrote:
Chuck you are the most abusive person here!!! Anyone who doesn't kowtow to you &/or your non boating lying mate Krause is attacked. Bull****. There ya go!!!:-) woohoo:-) you have to explode because I guess you can't pull your hair out:-) Look back in the thread. Did I "attack" Jimmie Me Too, or did he just come charging in making comments about underwear, etc, without any provocation? But you do this all the time!!! Honestly Chuckles you criticise everyone then behave the exact same way & mostly worse, political OT threads, personal abuse, even the other day you started a little coloured class war in the "suburbs", that was choice even by your standards:-) Check that out, and express an opinion. I don't chase people around the NG trying to pick a fight, but I am getting a bit less tolerant Tolerant?? as if what?? you think can do something??? Don't hold back & certainly don't cut me any slack, I don't seek nor need any "tolerance" from you, damn you are so full of it. of a small group of mental midgets with no other apparent purpose here. Mental midgets; what?? compared to you & the liar Krause??? Chuck I'm surprised you can breath unassisted, truly if I were there I'd want ice water pured in your ears. You post political OT mindless nonsense & even your on topic stuff is pathetic, mostly parroting whatever you've been fed by the people you're in league with to make sales, more commonly known as spam, but knowing you actually believe yours is embarrassingly sad. When they come looking for me, they may not much like what ther're going to find in the future. Chuck are you pretending you can get worse??? how??? You can often be too plain spoken and abusive for your own good. There ya go again, "for my own good" what as if you can bother me?? as if I care what you say or (& I use the term loosely) think??? You are a used car salesman who then graduated to used boat seller, you are just that nothing more. Even though you are often wrong, (or at least controversial) in some of your opinions and you often become insulting without provocation, you are at least a boater. That puts you ahead of some here who are not. You should apply the same test to your lying non boating mate Krause. Honestly Chuck I know you come from the "sell, sell, sell" side of life but you should know about basic safety stuff. Even for your own good:-) In the US, we more routinely use the term "screen" rather than "gauze" for the same material. You can talk about a flame arresting "screen" on a carb, an alternator, or what not and everybody will know what you mean. "Gauze" is really cryptic. If that was a US survey, the surveyor should have done the customer a favor and expressed his recommendations in commonspeak. I understand that, but equally all boaters know the vent is screened & it's screened with a metal gauze, you apparently didn't but then got upset when someone commented. And yeah, I come from the sell, sell, sell side of the business. You ought to be darn grateful for guys like me. If we didn't sell, sell, sell all this stuff, stuff, stuff, there wouldn't be much for you to fix, fix, fix, would there? :-) I guess this makes sense to you, but not me. Chuck you pass on deceptions & BS which when you do it as if you know about this "stuff" means you are not just another innocent victim of BS but a perpetrator!!!!. No wonder you specialise in OT threads. K |
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Time for some chill pills Chuckie. It is ok to be wrong. But it is not ok
not to see that you are. Is that more or less OK than never participating unless jumping into a discussion with a schidtload of negative personal comments? Is that OK to do, but not OK to fail to see that is all one is doing? Time for another break from the NG Chuck like you did last year. You are about to explode once again. Naw, I'm not going to explode. As always, I will refrain from picking a fight with you- but if you or somebody like yourself wants to start a crap fight (as you did in this thread, there can be no denial) don't act all hurt and wounded if your puny little salvo is returned rather amplified. I think some people would be willing to go up against a Sherman tank with a sharp stick. You're a conservative, Jim. You like rules. Here they are, twixt you and I, as far as I'm concerned: you leave me alone and I won't waste moment's time reading your posts attacking others. I have better things to do than try to goad you into a flame war- even if I enjoyed a flame war, you are in, shall we say, a "different" league than persons I would care to trade barbs with? If you insist on shifting a discussion of an obscure technical term to a discussion of personalities, (as you tried to do in this thread), and if you attempt to make that shift with your sewer pipe quality insulting remarks, don't be surprised if I respond. (knowing full well I shouldn't respond. It's the response that's the payoff for you trolls, isn't it?) |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Time for some chill pills Chuckie. It is ok to be wrong. But it is not ok not to see that you are. Is that more or less OK than never participating unless jumping into a discussion with a schidtload of negative personal comments? Is that OK to do, but not OK to fail to see that is all one is doing? Time for another break from the NG Chuck like you did last year. You are about to explode once again. Naw, I'm not going to explode. As always, I will refrain from picking a fight with you- but if you or somebody like yourself wants to start a crap fight (as you did in this thread, there can be no denial) don't act all hurt and wounded if your puny little salvo is returned rather amplified. I think some people would be willing to go up against a Sherman tank with a sharp stick. You're a conservative, Jim. You like rules. Here they are, twixt you and I, as far as I'm concerned: you leave me alone and I won't waste moment's time reading your posts attacking others. I have better things to do than try to goad you into a flame war- even if I enjoyed a flame war, you are in, shall we say, a "different" league than persons I would care to trade barbs with? If you insist on shifting a discussion of an obscure technical term to a discussion of personalities, (as you tried to do in this thread), and if you attempt to make that shift with your sewer pipe quality insulting remarks, don't be surprised if I respond. (knowing full well I shouldn't respond. It's the response that's the payoff for you trolls, isn't it?) I can see the spit coming out of the corners of your mouth while you typed that Chuckie. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... Time for some chill pills Chuckie. It is ok to be wrong. But it is not ok not to see that you are. Time for another break from the NG Chuck like you did last year. You are about to explode once again. 'Tis only a NG. Relax and take a deep breath. Chuck maybe a very leftist Liberal, which I do not really think he is. Just a little further left that most here. But he was not wrong. He gave an educated guess as to the term gauze used in the British Version of English. Gauze here in the states, is normally a lot of layers of stuff, not a screen. And Karen maliciously attacked him, and which just like most of the USA does when attacked Chuck fired back. |
Calif Bill wrote:
"JimH" wrote in message ... Time for some chill pills Chuckie. It is ok to be wrong. But it is not ok not to see that you are. Time for another break from the NG Chuck like you did last year. You are about to explode once again. 'Tis only a NG. Relax and take a deep breath. Chuck maybe a very leftist Liberal, which I do not really think he is. Just a little further left that most here. But he was not wrong. He gave an educated guess as to the term gauze used in the British Version of English. Gauze here in the states, is normally a lot of layers of stuff, not a screen. And Karen maliciously attacked him, and which just like most of the USA does when attacked Chuck fired back. I'd like to claim provocation & he did "pretend" to be seeking an answer, however I confess I attacked him just for the fun of it, it's dead easy & he's an OT NG spamming menace:-) & fired blanks back at me as the lying loony left always does:-) K |
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... Time for some chill pills Chuckie. It is ok to be wrong. But it is not ok not to see that you are. Time for another break from the NG Chuck like you did last year. You are about to explode once again. 'Tis only a NG. Relax and take a deep breath. Chuck maybe a very leftist Liberal, which I do not really think he is. Just a little further left that most here. But he was not wrong. He gave an educated guess as to the term gauze used in the British Version of English. Gauze here in the states, is normally a lot of layers of stuff, not a screen. And Karen maliciously attacked him, and which just like most of the USA does when attacked Chuck fired back. I'd like to claim provocation & he did "pretend" to be seeking an answer, however I confess I attacked him just for the fun of it, it's dead easy & he's an OT NG spamming menace:-) & fired blanks back at me as the lying loony left always does:-) K You over estimate your firepower and underestimate Chucks. |
Calif Bill wrote:
"K. Smith" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... Time for some chill pills Chuckie. It is ok to be wrong. But it is not ok not to see that you are. Time for another break from the NG Chuck like you did last year. You are about to explode once again. 'Tis only a NG. Relax and take a deep breath. Chuck maybe a very leftist Liberal, which I do not really think he is. Just a little further left that most here. But he was not wrong. He gave an educated guess as to the term gauze used in the British Version of English. Gauze here in the states, is normally a lot of layers of stuff, not a screen. And Karen maliciously attacked him, and which just like most of the USA does when attacked Chuck fired back. I'd like to claim provocation & he did "pretend" to be seeking an answer, however I confess I attacked him just for the fun of it, it's dead easy & he's an OT NG spamming menace:-) & fired blanks back at me as the lying loony left always does:-) K You over estimate your firepower and underestimate Chucks. :-) Thanks Bill & that's your estimation of my estimation, which is clearly an in-estimate, because it's not possible given the rules of this universe to underestimate Chuckles, unless of course you estimated him in knots per hour:-). K |
Gould 0738 wrote:
I'd like to claim provocation & he did "pretend" to be seeking an answer, however I confess I attacked him just for the fun of it, it's dead easy & he's an OT NG spamming menace:-) Good grief. If I'm a NG menace, why the very next thing I'm likely to do would be start attacking people just for the fun of it Hope you had a wonderful time. :-) I did & thanks so much OT chuckles, I'd almost forgotten how much fun it is, so I better start reviewing your on topic stuff more often, which other than your blatant spam, won't be much I have to say:-) K |
OOps sorry here's a link with a pic, you can see the gauze:-) from the same place: http://www.whitworths.com.au/main_it...AbsolutePage=3 K Thanks very much "K". A picture is worth a thousand words. BTW, ther fella who surveyed my boat (Ottawa Canada) was British which explains the term he used. Steve L |
"Gauze" is
really cryptic. ================= Yep, I figured it out but not without translation. In the US gauze is a first aid supply. And once again we are culturally drawn together by a different language... That's what came to mind for me when he used the word Gauze. First aid on a boat?? :o) |
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Thanks all. Got that one figured out.
"sel1" wrote in message ... Hi, The surveyor who inspected my boat mentioned a priority replacement of the "fuel tank flame gauze" in his report, but I have been unable to find out what he was referring to. The marina where my boat is isn't familiar with that term either. He (Johnathon Watson for those of you who know of him) has passed away since doing the survey. Thanks |
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