"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among hunters over a tree stand in
northwestern Wisconsin erupted into a shooting that left five people
dead and three injured Sunday, a television station reported.
The alleged gunman, a man from the Twin Cities area, was arrested Sunday
afternoon, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle told KSTP-TV of St.
Paul, Minn.

The shootings happened near Birchwood about noon. The station quoted
authorities as saying the shooting began after a hunting party saw a
hunter they didn't know occupying their tree stand.

That led to a confrontation. One victim used a walkie-talkie to call for
help, but when other hunting partners came to the scene they also were
shot, the station reported.

A similar thing happened on Florida's East coast when a guy in a 36'
sportfish started fishing the same weedline as 3 guys in a 23' center
console. Both sides exchanged words, and the guy in the 36' boat opened
fire, fortunately not seriously injuring anyone. He was of course arrested
upn his return to the dock.

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:01:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.

Happens all the time around here - in particular on weekends. You get
the weekend OUPV charter types who seem to feel that every hot spot is
theirs and if you aren't in a certain "club", you can just as well get
the hell out. And the intimidation factor among the "light tackle
specialists" is pretty amazing too. Just last week, I was fishing a
really nice rock pile for 'tog and one of the local "big shots" tried
to call me off his "pile" that he was fishing that morning and now
wanted back in the afternoon. "I'm Captain X of XYZ CHARTERS and I
was on that spot this morning - can you please move clear?" Right -
byte me. What a crock.

I've had these clowns move right up next to me if I'm on a hot bite
and I've even had their customers hook my T-top and trolling motor.
And the fly fishing types - god save us from lead core fly fishing.

And the biggest mouths in the regulation and policy hearings about
fish stocks are these bozos who are the worst abusers in terms of
undersize keep rates.

My own personal opinion is that the Charter industry needs to moved
from the Recreational category and into the Commercial category so
their catch and by-catch are more closely regulated.

~~ mutter - grumble ~~ :)

Later,

Tom

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:01:23 +0000, NOYB wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among hunters over a tree stand in
northwestern Wisconsin erupted into a shooting that left five people
dead and three injured Sunday, a television station reported.
SNIP

A similar thing happened on Florida's East coast when a guy in a 36'
sportfish started fishing the same weedline as 3 guys in a 23' center
console. Both sides exchanged words, and the guy in the 36' boat opened
fire, fortunately not seriously injuring anyone. He was of course arrested
upn his return to the dock.

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.

Reminds me of the last time I tried fishing in Alouette Lake, a popular
waterskiing/PWCing lake. A PWC came within about 20 ft of me and ALMOST
took out the line I had out. After that, I tried "practicing my casting"
whenever he came close. Never did get him, haven't had much practice
casting to a moving target.

Of course, this being Canada, no shots were fired...

Lloyd

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:01:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among hunters over a tree stand in
northwestern Wisconsin erupted into a shooting that left five people
dead and three injured Sunday, a television station reported.
The alleged gunman, a man from the Twin Cities area, was arrested Sunday
afternoon, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle told KSTP-TV of St.
Paul, Minn.

The shootings happened near Birchwood about noon. The station quoted
authorities as saying the shooting began after a hunting party saw a
hunter they didn't know occupying their tree stand.

That led to a confrontation. One victim used a walkie-talkie to call for
help, but when other hunting partners came to the scene they also were
shot, the station reported.

A similar thing happened on Florida's East coast when a guy in a 36'
sportfish started fishing the same weedline as 3 guys in a 23' center
console. Both sides exchanged words, and the guy in the 36' boat opened
fire, fortunately not seriously injuring anyone. He was of course arrested
upn his return to the dock.

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.



The same thing happens in Chesapeake Bay. Maybe the charter captains
have 'their' spot marked on their GPS, and since it's on their GPS the
spot belongs to them.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:52:50 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:01:23 GMT, "NOYB" wrote:


"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
HAYWARD, Wis. (AP) - A dispute among hunters over a tree stand in
northwestern Wisconsin erupted into a shooting that left five people
dead and three injured Sunday, a television station reported.
The alleged gunman, a man from the Twin Cities area, was arrested Sunday
afternoon, Sawyer County Chief Deputy Tim Zeigle told KSTP-TV of St.
Paul, Minn.

The shootings happened near Birchwood about noon. The station quoted
authorities as saying the shooting began after a hunting party saw a
hunter they didn't know occupying their tree stand.

That led to a confrontation. One victim used a walkie-talkie to call for
help, but when other hunting partners came to the scene they also were
shot, the station reported.

A similar thing happened on Florida's East coast when a guy in a 36'
sportfish started fishing the same weedline as 3 guys in a 23' center
console. Both sides exchanged words, and the guy in the 36' boat opened
fire, fortunately not seriously injuring anyone. He was of course arrested
upn his return to the dock.

It comes down to common courtesy. As big as the Gulf is, I have to wonder
why someone has to fish in *my* chum slick 15' behind my boat. I was
sitting on a nearshore wreck 2 miles off Gordon Pass fishing for bait, when
a 40' charter pull up not 10' off my port side. I guess I was sitting on
*his* bait spot. I yelled out that we were casting 4 oz. jigs in that
direction and if he'd like to avoid one going through the windows in his
salon, it'd be a good idea to move back a little ways. I also reminded him
that he was responsible for the safety of the people on his charter, and
that he was placing them in a potentially unsafe situation where there could
be 4 oz jigs and 8/0 hooks flying by their heads.



The same thing happens in Chesapeake Bay. Maybe the charter captains
have 'their' spot marked on their GPS, and since it's on their GPS the
spot belongs to them.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


Perhaps if you left the environs of Herring Bay more often, you might
find some good spots of your own. The other side, around due east from
the Nuke Plant, is uncrowded, with interesting bottoms, and lots of
interesting, tasty fish, including flounder. Find the 20' depth line and
fish just inside it, north and south. Live bait is best.

Been there, done that. The charters from Solomons go there regularly,
as you'd know if you'd ever been to the rips.

I've never seen charters in Herring Bay, unless they're returning from
the Gooses (or headed that way).

Sounds like you're copying and pasting from Tidalfish, Harry. I sure
don't recall your post with all the pictures of your flounder.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:39:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



Sounds like you are once again full of crap. And you're right...I don't
post fish photos on Tidalfish. In fact, I don't bother taking photos of
fish up here...there are only a few species that show up, and I know
what they look like. I don't mount the heads of the steer I eat over the
fireplace, either.

Doo da, doo da, do the 'Weasel Shuffle' in the broad daylight.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:39:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



Sounds like you are once again full of crap. And you're right...I don't
post fish photos on Tidalfish. In fact, I don't bother taking photos of
fish up here...there are only a few species that show up, and I know
what they look like. I don't mount the heads of the steer I eat over the
fireplace, either.

Doo da, doo da, do the 'Weasel Shuffle' in the broad daylight.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

We have come to expect nothing less from the guy.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:37:52 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:39:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



Sounds like you are once again full of crap. And you're right...I don't
post fish photos on Tidalfish. In fact, I don't bother taking photos of
fish up here...there are only a few species that show up, and I know
what they look like. I don't mount the heads of the steer I eat over the
fireplace, either.

Doo da, doo da, do the 'Weasel Shuffle' in the broad daylight.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

We have come to expect nothing less from the guy.


I can't believe he implies he has found the magic spot with all the
fish, and none of the charter captains know about it!

Right!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:37:52 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:39:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



Sounds like you are once again full of crap. And you're right...I don't
post fish photos on Tidalfish. In fact, I don't bother taking photos of
fish up here...there are only a few species that show up, and I know
what they look like. I don't mount the heads of the steer I eat over the
fireplace, either.

Doo da, doo da, do the 'Weasel Shuffle' in the broad daylight.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

We have come to expect nothing less from the guy.


I can't believe he implies he has found the magic spot with all the
fish, and none of the charter captains know about it!

Right!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


I guess lying is a hard habit to break. It is usually a problem only with
children though.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:49:58 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:37:52 -0500, "JimH" wrote:


"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 17:39:44 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



Sounds like you are once again full of crap. And you're right...I don't
post fish photos on Tidalfish. In fact, I don't bother taking photos of
fish up here...there are only a few species that show up, and I know
what they look like. I don't mount the heads of the steer I eat over the
fireplace, either.

Doo da, doo da, do the 'Weasel Shuffle' in the broad daylight.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

We have come to expect nothing less from the guy.


I can't believe he implies he has found the magic spot with all the
fish, and none of the charter captains know about it!

Right!

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


You really are dumb as a post, Herring. I never claimed to find "the
magic spot." As far as I am concerned, the mid Bay is a mediocre fishing
area. What I go to are spots on the other side of the Bay that are far
less crowded, and where, as a result, the fishing pressure on what
little bottom structure there is is less.

Trolling an umbrella rig amidst 50 boats a mile off the western shore,
as you do, is not fishing to me. It's dragging a bunch of hooks until
you snag something.

But, then, you're not much of a fisherman. I've seen some of your
reports. You'd do better at the fish counter at Giant.

Doo da, doo da!

Gotta do that shuffle, all day long,

Oh dee doo da day!


John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!