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From some old archives........
Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication,
so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. Here's a couple of chucklers: From a display ad in the November 1965 issue: Robinson Marina (now long gone from 19th and Norton in Everett WA) was the authorized dealer for Owens boats. A new 24-foot "Express" is advertised as follows: "Minimum maintenance vinyl-covered foredeck...teak toe rail...complete cabin interior...private marine lavatory with basin...sleeps four...vinyl covered polyfoam cushions...dish and glass racks...food locker. Available with standard 185HP Flagship or optional 150 HP MerCruiser stern drive...canopy top optional. With all standard equipment, $5,590 A subsequent issue ran a headline that would hardly fly today. Noting that a local marina had put up some festive lights for the holidays, the article read "Shilshole Marina Gay for Christmas" T&G Electronics was advertising some VHF radios. (Remember, these are 1965 prices...) The 75-watt, six channel model was available for $299. A 110-watt model, also six channel, was priced at $399. The top of the line, very deluxe 150-watt unit with *8* Channels (!) was a mere $549. (A lot of middle-class jobs only paid about $500/month back then. Imagine taking out an 18-month installment loan to buy a VHF) Marine sanitation was a bit more primitive in the mid-60's, judging from this partial description of,,,,,"Luxury Boat offered by Fairliner" Among the intriguing new boats to be unveiled at the boat show is an entirely new Fairliner which incorporates possibly more new and watned features than any other productin boat offered today. ......Other features include: hot and cold pressure water, a full-sized marine shower, electric push button toilet that also serves as a garbage dispoal unit" (!) .........{sounds like grind it and dump it, to me} What fun! I'm looking at the "conceptual drawings" for two of our prominent civic marinas, (Des Moines and Kingston) as the original construction on these two projects was about to begin. I'll bet if the current environmental laws were in place, facilities like that would *still* be in the discussion stages after 40 years. |
Gould 0738 wrote:
Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication, so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. Here's a couple of chucklers: From a display ad in the November 1965 issue: Robinson Marina (now long gone from 19th and Norton in Everett WA) was the authorized dealer for Owens boats. A new 24-foot "Express" is advertised as follows: "Minimum maintenance vinyl-covered foredeck...teak toe rail...complete cabin interior...private marine lavatory with basin...sleeps four...vinyl covered polyfoam cushions...dish and glass racks...food locker. Available with standard 185HP Flagship or optional 150 HP MerCruiser stern drive...canopy top optional. With all standard equipment, $5,590 A subsequent issue ran a headline that would hardly fly today. Noting that a local marina had put up some festive lights for the holidays, the article read "Shilshole Marina Gay for Christmas" T&G Electronics was advertising some VHF radios. (Remember, these are 1965 prices...) The 75-watt, six channel model was available for $299. A 110-watt model, also six channel, was priced at $399. The top of the line, very deluxe 150-watt unit with *8* Channels (!) was a mere $549. (A lot of middle-class jobs only paid about $500/month back then. Imagine taking out an 18-month installment loan to buy a VHF) Marine sanitation was a bit more primitive in the mid-60's, judging from this partial description of,,,,,"Luxury Boat offered by Fairliner" Among the intriguing new boats to be unveiled at the boat show is an entirely new Fairliner which incorporates possibly more new and watned features than any other productin boat offered today. ......Other features include: hot and cold pressure water, a full-sized marine shower, electric push button toilet that also serves as a garbage dispoal unit" (!) .........{sounds like grind it and dump it, to me} What fun! I'm looking at the "conceptual drawings" for two of our prominent civic marinas, (Des Moines and Kingston) as the original construction on these two projects was about to begin. I'll bet if the current environmental laws were in place, facilities like that would *still* be in the discussion stages after 40 years. Thanks Chuck, reminds me of those early SSB radios they cost literally thousands here, used huge amounts of battery even on standby & you needed to be Marconi to drive them & their aerial tuners. Always fell to us, we read the instructions whereas you blokes won't:-) K |
Around 11/18/2004 5:39 PM, Gould 0738 wrote:
Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication, so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. Here's a couple of chucklers: From a display ad in the November 1965 issue: Robinson Marina (now long gone from 19th and Norton in Everett WA) was the authorized dealer for Owens boats. Hmm. That explains all the old Owens around us at the Port of Everett... snip Marine sanitation was a bit more primitive in the mid-60's, judging from this partial description of,,,,,"Luxury Boat offered by Fairliner" Among the intriguing new boats to be unveiled at the boat show is an entirely new Fairliner which incorporates possibly more new and watned features than any other productin boat offered today. ......Other features include: hot and cold pressure water, a full-sized marine shower, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Isn't that an oxymoron? :) electric push button toilet that also serves as a garbage dispoal unit" (!) .........{sounds like grind it and dump it, to me} Better than what ours was, which skipped the "grind" step. What fun! I'm looking at the "conceptual drawings" for two of our prominent civic marinas, (Des Moines and Kingston) as the original construction on these two projects was about to begin. I'll bet if the current environmental laws were in place, facilities like that would *still* be in the discussion stages after 40 years. No kidding! Can you imagine the hassle in trying to get permits for building something like the Everett Jetty or the Chittenden locks in modern days? Yikes! -- ~/Garth - 1966 Glastron V-142 Skiflite: "Blue-Boat" "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." -Kenneth Grahame, The Wind in the Willows |
Hmm. That explains all the old Owens around us at the Port of Everett...
If you pick up a free (no spamn) copy after December 15, it's likely you'll see the old Owens ad. Depends slightly on pagination and other factors, but the Owens ad is definitely in the mix as of now. |
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On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:31:30 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 19 Nov 2004 01:39:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication, so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. ~~ snippage ~~ T&G Electronics was advertising some VHF radios. (Remember, these are 1965 prices...) The 75-watt, six channel model was available for $299. A 110-watt model, also six channel, was priced at $399. The top of the line, very deluxe 150-watt unit with *8* Channels (!) was a mere $549. (A lot of middle-class jobs only paid about $500/month back then. Imagine taking out an 18-month installment loan to buy a VHF) And those were crystal controlled with flibberdejibbet tune controls. I have one in my collection of antique radios - I'll take a picture today and post it. Gosh...from the days when Radio Shack was a real electronics hobbyist store. First store ever - right across from BU on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston. I had a Radio Shack short wave receiver from that my Uncle sent me one Christmas. I was living in WI at the time (before we moved east) and heard the BBC for the first time when I was around ten sitting in my room with wire strung all over the place hooked up to the little transistor "Shortwave" receiver. Sparked my interest in electronics actually. Remember Lafayette Electronics? My first FM receiver was a Lafayette - I'll never forget putting that kit together - took me almost a month working after homework was finished late into the night. Got it together and had to tune it and bought my first piece of test equipment - a signal generator - which was also a kit. :) I remember my father saying "FM - it will never catch on - all they play is classical music". WTMG in Milwaukee in fact had the only FM transmitter in the mid-west at the time. WGN in Chicago was a couple of years behind them. Heathkit was also high on my list of stuff every Christmas when they were still around. At one time I had a ton of Heath amateur radio and test equipment. My Dad's first color TV was a Heath. That was fun. Oh - gosh - how could I forget Allied Electronics on Michigan Avenue in Milwaukee. I used to beg my Dad to take me to work with him at the Milwaukee Sentinel on vacations so I could hang at the Allied store in the afternoon and just look at "stuff". Ah yes - the gud ole' daze... Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:31:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 19 Nov 2004 01:39:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication, so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. ~~ snippage ~~ T&G Electronics was advertising some VHF radios. (Remember, these are 1965 prices...) The 75-watt, six channel model was available for $299. A 110-watt model, also six channel, was priced at $399. The top of the line, very deluxe 150-watt unit with *8* Channels (!) was a mere $549. (A lot of middle-class jobs only paid about $500/month back then. Imagine taking out an 18-month installment loan to buy a VHF) And those were crystal controlled with flibberdejibbet tune controls. I have one in my collection of antique radios - I'll take a picture today and post it. Gosh...from the days when Radio Shack was a real electronics hobbyist store. First store ever - right across from BU on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston. I had a Radio Shack short wave receiver from that my Uncle sent me one Christmas. I was living in WI at the time (before we moved east) and heard the BBC for the first time when I was around ten sitting in my room with wire strung all over the place hooked up to the little transistor "Shortwave" receiver. Sparked my interest in electronics actually. Remember Lafayette Electronics? My first FM receiver was a Lafayette - I'll never forget putting that kit together - took me almost a month working after homework was finished late into the night. Got it together and had to tune it and bought my first piece of test equipment - a signal generator - which was also a kit. :) I remember my father saying "FM - it will never catch on - all they play is classical music". WTMG in Milwaukee in fact had the only FM transmitter in the mid-west at the time. WGN in Chicago was a couple of years behind them. Heathkit was also high on my list of stuff every Christmas when they were still around. At one time I had a ton of Heath amateur radio and test equipment. My Dad's first color TV was a Heath. That was fun. Oh - gosh - how could I forget Allied Electronics on Michigan Avenue in Milwaukee. I used to beg my Dad to take me to work with him at the Milwaukee Sentinel on vacations so I could hang at the Allied store in the afternoon and just look at "stuff". Ah yes - the gud ole' daze... Later, Tom I certainly do remember Lafayette and Heathkit. We had a wonderful Radio Shack in downtown New Haven. It had some displays of "manufactured" goodies, but most of the store consisted of aisles and aisles of red plastic and painted wood parts bins, with every electronic piece and part known to mankind, or, at least, all that a kid could imagine. I think the store was that good because it was in walking distance of Yale's engineering college. I remember in the 7th grade finding a brand-new Model A Ford spark coil there, if not OEM, then one built to Model A specs. Well, I really needed one badly, because my Science Project for that year was to build a cloud chamber. Which I did...and the damned thing worked. I still remember exactly how I built it, too...after all these years. -- Man, talk about flashbacks ... Back in the late 50's or very early 60's when "HiFi" was the rage my father and a group of his friends got into building speaker cabinets for their "systems". They all met 1 or 2 times a week after work at one of the friend's garage because he had a well equipped wood working shop. I still remember the cabinet design - V shaped with a tunable slot along the rear for bass reinforcement. They took me along to the Radio Shack in Boston to get the speakers and crossover components and I can still remember the building and the original Radio Shack sign. A few years later when we moved to CT, there was a Lafayette Electronics store at a strip mall on the Merritt Parkway. I saved all my lawn mowing money one summer because I just *had* to have a Lafayette audio amplifier kit. I built it and it was the center of my music system for years. I think the kit was $18.95 and my mother, who drove me to the store when I finally had the money, just couldn't understand why a box of tubes, resistors and capacitors meant so much to me. Little did she know, it was the beginning of what ultimately led to a career and still remains as an enjoyable hobby. Eisboch (sorry 'bout the email Harry. I accidentally hit "reply to sender" instead of "reply to group" |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:46:34 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:31:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 19 Nov 2004 01:39:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication, so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. ~~ snippage ~~ T&G Electronics was advertising some VHF radios. (Remember, these are 1965 prices...) The 75-watt, six channel model was available for $299. A 110-watt model, also six channel, was priced at $399. The top of the line, very deluxe 150-watt unit with *8* Channels (!) was a mere $549. (A lot of middle-class jobs only paid about $500/month back then. Imagine taking out an 18-month installment loan to buy a VHF) And those were crystal controlled with flibberdejibbet tune controls. I have one in my collection of antique radios - I'll take a picture today and post it. Gosh...from the days when Radio Shack was a real electronics hobbyist store. First store ever - right across from BU on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston. I had a Radio Shack short wave receiver from that my Uncle sent me one Christmas. I was living in WI at the time (before we moved east) and heard the BBC for the first time when I was around ten sitting in my room with wire strung all over the place hooked up to the little transistor "Shortwave" receiver. Sparked my interest in electronics actually. Remember Lafayette Electronics? My first FM receiver was a Lafayette - I'll never forget putting that kit together - took me almost a month working after homework was finished late into the night. Got it together and had to tune it and bought my first piece of test equipment - a signal generator - which was also a kit. :) I remember my father saying "FM - it will never catch on - all they play is classical music". WTMG in Milwaukee in fact had the only FM transmitter in the mid-west at the time. WGN in Chicago was a couple of years behind them. Heathkit was also high on my list of stuff every Christmas when they were still around. At one time I had a ton of Heath amateur radio and test equipment. My Dad's first color TV was a Heath. That was fun. Oh - gosh - how could I forget Allied Electronics on Michigan Avenue in Milwaukee. I used to beg my Dad to take me to work with him at the Milwaukee Sentinel on vacations so I could hang at the Allied store in the afternoon and just look at "stuff". Ah yes - the gud ole' daze... I certainly do remember Lafayette and Heathkit. We had a wonderful Radio Shack in downtown New Haven. It had some displays of "manufactured" goodies, but most of the store consisted of aisles and aisles of red plastic and painted wood parts bins, with every electronic piece and part known to mankind, or, at least, all that a kid could imagine. I think the store was that good because it was in walking distance of Yale's engineering college. I remember in the 7th grade finding a brand-new Model A Ford spark coil there, if not OEM, then one built to Model A specs. Well, I really needed one badly, because my Science Project for that year was to build a cloud chamber. Which I did...and the damned thing worked. I still remember exactly how I built it, too...after all these years. Man, talk about flashbacks ... Back in the late 50's or very early 60's when "HiFi" was the rage my father and a group of his friends got into building speaker cabinets for their "systems". They all met 1 or 2 times a week after work at one of the friend's garage because he had a well equipped wood working shop. I still remember the cabinet design - V shaped with a tunable slot along the rear for bass reinforcement. They took me along to the Radio Shack in Boston to get the speakers and crossover components and I can still remember the building and the original Radio Shack sign. A few years later when we moved to CT, there was a Lafayette Electronics store at a strip mall on the Merritt Parkway. I saved all my lawn mowing money one summer because I just *had* to have a Lafayette audio amplifier kit. I built it and it was the center of my music system for years. I think the kit was $18.95 and my mother, who drove me to the store when I finally had the money, just couldn't understand why a box of tubes, resistors and capacitors meant so much to me. Little did she know, it was the beginning of what ultimately led to a career and still remains as an enjoyable hobby. My mother understood this was a good thing even though she didn't understand it much. My Dad was happy with the hobby as it parallel his interests in at least one sense. Talk about sound, though. I found a design in Popular Mechanics for a set of floor speakers in the early '70s and decided to build them in the company fab shop. Bought the crossovers and such from a place called Sterling Electronics in Metarie, LA. The piece 'de resistance of this system were four bi-amped Dynaco Stereo-80 power amps, PAT-4 preamp, and a FM-5 receiver - all in kit form and all built by me. Later on I added a QD-1Quadapter which for it's time, was 'da bomb! :) Minor claim to fame - I took a picture of the setup, along with the Tektronics oscilloscope set up as a signal/audio monitor and sent it to Ed Laurent who was Dynaco's chief designer for many years. Dynaco used the picture in one of their advertisements. :) Ultimately, and the stereo system I currently have, is a set of Bozak Concert Grands (from the late '70s) powered by six McInsosh 50s (with the Gold Lion 6L6s - now Svetlana 6L6s), a PAT5 preamp and some solid state Marantz stuff inbetween. I still have my Garrad Z-100 changer, but don't use it all that much. Had to build a solid state preamp for the cd changer. Damn - I'm getting old. :) Later, Tom |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:01:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Ultimately, and the stereo system I currently have, is a set of Bozak Concert Grands (from the late '70s) powered by six McInsosh 50s (with the Gold Lion 6L6s - now Svetlana 6L6s), a PAT5 preamp and some solid state Marantz stuff inbetween. I still have my Garrad Z-100 changer, but don't use it all that much. Had to build a solid state preamp for the cd changer. ========================================= Those 6L6s were some versatile tubes. My first ever novice ham rig had one as the final amp, circa 1957. There was a metal version of the 6L6 that was supposedly built to withstand the rigors of being launched in an antiaircraft shell. The function of the 6L6 was to act as a proximity fuse which would detonate the shell when the circuit detected that it was near a metalic object. What do they cost these days and where do you get them? |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:46:34 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:31:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 19 Nov 2004 01:39:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication, so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. ~~ snippage ~~ T&G Electronics was advertising some VHF radios. (Remember, these are 1965 prices...) The 75-watt, six channel model was available for $299. A 110-watt model, also six channel, was priced at $399. The top of the line, very deluxe 150-watt unit with *8* Channels (!) was a mere $549. (A lot of middle-class jobs only paid about $500/month back then. Imagine taking out an 18-month installment loan to buy a VHF) And those were crystal controlled with flibberdejibbet tune controls. I have one in my collection of antique radios - I'll take a picture today and post it. Gosh...from the days when Radio Shack was a real electronics hobbyist store. First store ever - right across from BU on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston. I had a Radio Shack short wave receiver from that my Uncle sent me one Christmas. I was living in WI at the time (before we moved east) and heard the BBC for the first time when I was around ten sitting in my room with wire strung all over the place hooked up to the little transistor "Shortwave" receiver. Sparked my interest in electronics actually. Remember Lafayette Electronics? My first FM receiver was a Lafayette - I'll never forget putting that kit together - took me almost a month working after homework was finished late into the night. Got it together and had to tune it and bought my first piece of test equipment - a signal generator - which was also a kit. :) I remember my father saying "FM - it will never catch on - all they play is classical music". WTMG in Milwaukee in fact had the only FM transmitter in the mid-west at the time. WGN in Chicago was a couple of years behind them. Heathkit was also high on my list of stuff every Christmas when they were still around. At one time I had a ton of Heath amateur radio and test equipment. My Dad's first color TV was a Heath. That was fun. Oh - gosh - how could I forget Allied Electronics on Michigan Avenue in Milwaukee. I used to beg my Dad to take me to work with him at the Milwaukee Sentinel on vacations so I could hang at the Allied store in the afternoon and just look at "stuff". Ah yes - the gud ole' daze... Later, Tom I certainly do remember Lafayette and Heathkit. We had a wonderful Radio Shack in downtown New Haven. It had some displays of "manufactured" goodies, but most of the store consisted of aisles and aisles of red plastic and painted wood parts bins, with every electronic piece and part known to mankind, or, at least, all that a kid could imagine. I think the store was that good because it was in walking distance of Yale's engineering college. I remember in the 7th grade finding a brand-new Model A Ford spark coil there, if not OEM, then one built to Model A specs. Well, I really needed one badly, because my Science Project for that year was to build a cloud chamber. Which I did...and the damned thing worked. I still remember exactly how I built it, too...after all these years. -- Man, talk about flashbacks ... Back in the late 50's or very early 60's when "HiFi" was the rage my father and a group of his friends got into building speaker cabinets for their "systems". They all met 1 or 2 times a week after work at one of the friend's garage because he had a well equipped wood working shop. I still remember the cabinet design - V shaped with a tunable slot along the rear for bass reinforcement. They took me along to the Radio Shack in Boston to get the speakers and crossover components and I can still remember the building and the original Radio Shack sign. A few years later when we moved to CT, there was a Lafayette Electronics store at a strip mall on the Merritt Parkway. I saved all my lawn mowing money one summer because I just *had* to have a Lafayette audio amplifier kit. I built it and it was the center of my music system for years. I think the kit was $18.95 and my mother, who drove me to the store when I finally had the money, just couldn't understand why a box of tubes, resistors and capacitors meant so much to me. Little did she know, it was the beginning of what ultimately led to a career and still remains as an enjoyable hobby. WARNING! Flashback alert! Hide the beanbags and the lava lamps..... My engineering career was sparked by those "100-in-1" electronic project kits that Radio Shack used to sell. This led to an interest in radio, which I cultivated with CB and then Ham radio. I used to practically live in Radio Shack and Lafayette. It distresses me to see what Radio Shack has "evolved" into. The have few parts anymore and are little more than a small time consumer electronics/toy store. It saddens me to see it that way, but I understand the market pressures which brought it on. There aren't many "experimenters" out there anymore who actually use discrete parts. Most new techies, are into software driven circuits. Another reason to long for the good old days..... Dave |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:18:06 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 13:46:34 GMT, "Eisboch" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 07:31:30 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On 19 Nov 2004 01:39:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Our regional boating magazine is about to observe its 40th year of publication, so I'm digging through issues from each of the first few decades to choose material for an article to lauch the anniversay year. ~~ snippage ~~ T&G Electronics was advertising some VHF radios. (Remember, these are 1965 prices...) The 75-watt, six channel model was available for $299. A 110-watt model, also six channel, was priced at $399. The top of the line, very deluxe 150-watt unit with *8* Channels (!) was a mere $549. (A lot of middle-class jobs only paid about $500/month back then. Imagine taking out an 18-month installment loan to buy a VHF) And those were crystal controlled with flibberdejibbet tune controls. I have one in my collection of antique radios - I'll take a picture today and post it. Gosh...from the days when Radio Shack was a real electronics hobbyist store. First store ever - right across from BU on Commonwealth Avenue in Boston. I had a Radio Shack short wave receiver from that my Uncle sent me one Christmas. I was living in WI at the time (before we moved east) and heard the BBC for the first time when I was around ten sitting in my room with wire strung all over the place hooked up to the little transistor "Shortwave" receiver. Sparked my interest in electronics actually. Remember Lafayette Electronics? My first FM receiver was a Lafayette - I'll never forget putting that kit together - took me almost a month working after homework was finished late into the night. Got it together and had to tune it and bought my first piece of test equipment - a signal generator - which was also a kit. :) I remember my father saying "FM - it will never catch on - all they play is classical music". WTMG in Milwaukee in fact had the only FM transmitter in the mid-west at the time. WGN in Chicago was a couple of years behind them. Heathkit was also high on my list of stuff every Christmas when they were still around. At one time I had a ton of Heath amateur radio and test equipment. My Dad's first color TV was a Heath. That was fun. Oh - gosh - how could I forget Allied Electronics on Michigan Avenue in Milwaukee. I used to beg my Dad to take me to work with him at the Milwaukee Sentinel on vacations so I could hang at the Allied store in the afternoon and just look at "stuff". Ah yes - the gud ole' daze... Later, Tom I certainly do remember Lafayette and Heathkit. We had a wonderful Radio Shack in downtown New Haven. It had some displays of "manufactured" goodies, but most of the store consisted of aisles and aisles of red plastic and painted wood parts bins, with every electronic piece and part known to mankind, or, at least, all that a kid could imagine. I think the store was that good because it was in walking distance of Yale's engineering college. I remember in the 7th grade finding a brand-new Model A Ford spark coil there, if not OEM, then one built to Model A specs. Well, I really needed one badly, because my Science Project for that year was to build a cloud chamber. Which I did...and the damned thing worked. I still remember exactly how I built it, too...after all these years. -- Man, talk about flashbacks ... Back in the late 50's or very early 60's when "HiFi" was the rage my father and a group of his friends got into building speaker cabinets for their "systems". They all met 1 or 2 times a week after work at one of the friend's garage because he had a well equipped wood working shop. I still remember the cabinet design - V shaped with a tunable slot along the rear for bass reinforcement. They took me along to the Radio Shack in Boston to get the speakers and crossover components and I can still remember the building and the original Radio Shack sign. A few years later when we moved to CT, there was a Lafayette Electronics store at a strip mall on the Merritt Parkway. I saved all my lawn mowing money one summer because I just *had* to have a Lafayette audio amplifier kit. I built it and it was the center of my music system for years. I think the kit was $18.95 and my mother, who drove me to the store when I finally had the money, just couldn't understand why a box of tubes, resistors and capacitors meant so much to me. Little did she know, it was the beginning of what ultimately led to a career and still remains as an enjoyable hobby. WARNING! Flashback alert! Hide the beanbags and the lava lamps..... My engineering career was sparked by those "100-in-1" electronic project kits that Radio Shack used to sell. This led to an interest in radio, which I cultivated with CB and then Ham radio. I used to practically live in Radio Shack and Lafayette. It distresses me to see what Radio Shack has "evolved" into. The have few parts anymore and are little more than a small time consumer electronics/toy store. It saddens me to see it that way, but I understand the market pressures which brought it on. There aren't many "experimenters" out there anymore who actually use discrete parts. Most new techies, are into software driven circuits. Another reason to long for the good old days..... I had a long discussion many years ago with Wayne Green, W2NSD, who in his day, was firmly convinced that technical educations came from learning how to build, break and trouble shoot "stuff". Looking back on his career, I'd have to say he was right. My kids were all experimenters and when they broke something, my approach was to have them fix it and only when they were stuck could they come to me for help. Later, Tom |
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From: Wayne.B Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: From some old archives........ On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:01:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Ultimately, and the stereo system I currently have, is a set of Bozak Concert Grands (from the late '70s) powered by six McInsosh 50s (with the Gold Lion 6L6s - now Svetlana 6L6s), a PAT5 preamp and some solid state Marantz stuff inbetween. I still have my Garrad Z-100 changer, but don't use it all that much. Had to build a solid state preamp for the cd changer. ========================================= Those 6L6s were some versatile tubes. My first ever novice ham rig had one as the final amp, circa 1957. There was a metal version of the 6L6 that was supposedly built to withstand the rigors of being launched in an antiaircraft shell. The function of the 6L6 was to act as a proximity fuse which would detonate the shell when the circuit detected that it was near a metalic object. What do they cost these days and where do you get them? They were, and still are. Seems like they were used in just about everything electronic at one time or another. Last winter I came across and was able to buy a used, custom built guitar amp that uses push-pull 6L6's in the output stage. The seller included several pairs of new, matched 6L6's as spares with the amp. Sounds sweet with a Gibson Les Paul. If only I could play the damn thing. For Tom - that's a very impressive system ya got there. Love to listen to it someday. I got out of the audio stuff for many years, but now am now learning all over again. Current "best" system consists of a pair of Martin-Logan SL3 electrostatics, Rel sub, B&K Components power amp and a Ascom (sp?) pre-amp. Very different sound and strictly stereo only. Sounds best with acoustical recordings and well recorded classical material. Eisboch |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:20:26 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:01:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Ultimately, and the stereo system I currently have, is a set of Bozak Concert Grands (from the late '70s) powered by six McInsosh 50s (with the Gold Lion 6L6s - now Svetlana 6L6s), a PAT5 preamp and some solid state Marantz stuff inbetween. I still have my Garrad Z-100 changer, but don't use it all that much. Had to build a solid state preamp for the cd changer. ========================================= Those 6L6s were some versatile tubes. My first ever novice ham rig had one as the final amp, circa 1957. There was a metal version of the 6L6 that was supposedly built to withstand the rigors of being launched in an antiaircraft shell. The function of the 6L6 was to act as a proximity fuse which would detonate the shell when the circuit detected that it was near a metalic object. What do they cost these days and where do you get them? About a $100 for a matched quad set of Chinese tubes - slightly more the Svetlana tubes, although those are becoming problematical. The Chinese tubes are very well made and they even make some in different shells for different sounds. Later, Tom |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:33:15 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne.B Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 12:20 PM Subject: From some old archives........ On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:01:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Ultimately, and the stereo system I currently have, is a set of Bozak Concert Grands (from the late '70s) powered by six McInsosh 50s (with the Gold Lion 6L6s - now Svetlana 6L6s), a PAT5 preamp and some solid state Marantz stuff inbetween. I still have my Garrad Z-100 changer, but don't use it all that much. Had to build a solid state preamp for the cd changer. ========================================= Those 6L6s were some versatile tubes. My first ever novice ham rig had one as the final amp, circa 1957. There was a metal version of the 6L6 that was supposedly built to withstand the rigors of being launched in an antiaircraft shell. The function of the 6L6 was to act as a proximity fuse which would detonate the shell when the circuit detected that it was near a metalic object. What do they cost these days and where do you get them? They were, and still are. Seems like they were used in just about everything electronic at one time or another. Last winter I came across and was able to buy a used, custom built guitar amp that uses push-pull 6L6's in the output stage. The seller included several pairs of new, matched 6L6's as spares with the amp. Sounds sweet with a Gibson Les Paul. If only I could play the damn thing. For Tom - that's a very impressive system ya got there. Love to listen to it someday. I got out of the audio stuff for many years, but now am now learning all over again. Current "best" system consists of a pair of Martin-Logan SL3 electrostatics, Rel sub, B&K Components power amp and a Ascom (sp?) pre-amp. Very different sound and strictly stereo only. Sounds best with acoustical recordings and well recorded classical material. I would think it would. B&K - wow, another blast from the past. I've been offered big dollars for those Macs from different audiophiles. Same with the Concert Grands. Ain't gonna sell 'em - no way, no how. :) Ain't nuttin' like that transformer/tube sound. Never mind the warm glow from the tubes at night. That's why when I get the itch to do some hamming, I usually fire up my Dad's old Collins S line. Real radios with real tubes. :) Later, Tom |
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---------------------------------------------------- Man, talk about flashbacks ... Back in the late 50's or very early 60's when "HiFi" was the rage my father and a group of his friends got into building speaker cabinets for their "systems". They all met 1 or 2 times a week after work at one of the friend's garage because he had a well equipped wood working shop. I still remember the cabinet design - V shaped with a tunable slot along the rear for bass reinforcement. They took me along to the Radio Shack in Boston to get the speakers and crossover components and I can still remember the building and the original Radio Shack sign. ================================== Flashback is right!! I still remember buyng the plans from KLA Lab. in Detroit to build the Electro-Voice Aristicrat cabinets. I think thats what you're describing. It was called a "folded corner horn" and it was best used in the corner of a room so as to utilize the walls to expand the base notes. I used 2 EV 12" wide range speakers with a high freq. tweeter that I got from Lafayette. I built a stereo integrated amplifier that I got from Allied Radio (later to merge with Radio Shack), then scrounged around and found a Garrard turntable. My son still has the speakers and we joke that they and he are about the same age. I recall building them while my wife was pregnant with him. ===== Norm |
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On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:09:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: That's why when I get the itch to do some hamming, I usually fire up my Dad's old Collins S line. Real radios with real tubes. :) =============================================== Oh yeah, real radios for sure. They were the standard that everything else was measured against. In the pre-digital era Collins and Drake made equipment that actually performed the way it was supposed to, and that was unusual for ham gear of its day. Unfortunately the Collins expertise did not carry over into computer equipment and that was their downfall, big time. |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:36:35 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 00:09:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: That's why when I get the itch to do some hamming, I usually fire up my Dad's old Collins S line. Real radios with real tubes. :) =============================================== Oh yeah, real radios for sure. They were the standard that everything else was measured against. In the pre-digital era Collins and Drake made equipment that actually performed the way it was supposed to, and that was unusual for ham gear of its day. Unfortunately the Collins expertise did not carry over into computer equipment and that was their downfall, big time. Remember the NCR line of transceivers? Live long and prosper, Tom |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message .................................... What fun! I'm looking at the "conceptual drawings" for two of our prominent civic marinas, (Des Moines and Kingston) as the original construction on these two projects was about to begin. I'll bet if the current environmental laws were in place, facilities like that would *still* be in the discussion stages after 40 years. Remember the proposed Duwamish/West Seattle marina? A million dollars was appropriated to build a rock breakwater, but first, The Corps of Engineers was hired to study the feasibility of same. A year later, they came up with their conclusion.... Not certain. By the way, their bill for the study was................................. You guessed it - One million. Unc |
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:43:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: WARNING! Flashback alert! Hide the beanbags and the lava lamps..... My engineering career was sparked by those "100-in-1" electronic project kits that Radio Shack used to sell. This led to an interest in radio, which I cultivated with CB and then Ham radio. I used to practically live in Radio Shack and Lafayette. It distresses me to see what Radio Shack has "evolved" into. The have few parts anymore and are little more than a small time consumer electronics/toy store. It saddens me to see it that way, but I understand the market pressures which brought it on. There aren't many "experimenters" out there anymore who actually use discrete parts. Most new techies, are into software driven circuits. Another reason to long for the good old days..... I had a long discussion many years ago with Wayne Green, W2NSD, who in his day, was firmly convinced that technical educations came from learning how to build, break and trouble shoot "stuff". Looking back on his career, I'd have to say he was right. My kids were all experimenters and when they broke something, my approach was to have them fix it and only when they were stuck could they come to me for help. Most of my education was of the self-taught, "school of hard knocks" method. I learned FAR more by experimenting on my own (Along with the shocks, burns, and smoke to prove it!) than by sitting in a classroom listening to an instructor talk about it. The skill of troubleshooting is an aptitude. It requires a certain analytical, logical mindset. Those who have this aptitude, pick it up without any trouble. Those who don't have the aptitude, will likely never fully grasp the concepts. It doesn't matter to me if it's a ham radio, a fuel injection system, consumer electronics, a lawn mower, or the boat, I solve the problems in the same way, by a logical process of elimination. Dave |
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:40:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Remember the NCR line of transceivers? ================================= The Signal/One CX7. Never actually saw one but I know it was supposed to be the marvel of its' day. Any idea how many were actually built? When I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s, I always aspired to a Collins KWS-1 and 75A-4. They were built like the proverbial brick house. By the early 70s I could actually afford something of that quality, but was living in a Manhattan apartment that was none too big for even the essentials. I ended up with a nice little R L Drake rig that tucked into the corner of the living room. Any experience with the Icom M-802 as a ham rig? I'm thinking of getting one for the Grand Banks. |
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From: Wayne.B Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: From some old archives........ On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:40:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Remember the NCR line of transceivers? ================================= The Signal/One CX7. Never actually saw one but I know it was supposed to be the marvel of its' day. Any idea how many were actually built? When I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s, I always aspired to a Collins KWS-1 and 75A-4. They were built like the proverbial brick house. By the early 70s I could actually afford something of that quality, but was living in a Manhattan apartment that was none too big for even the essentials. I ended up with a nice little R L Drake rig that tucked into the corner of the living room. Any experience with the Icom M-802 as a ham rig? I'm thinking of getting one for the Grand Banks. You guys are obviously up to speed on these radios, so I might be bugging you with a few questions. The SSB in our (oops) Mrs.E's soon to be Grand Banks is an Icom M-710, which I assume must be an older or less expensive version of the M-802. Unfortunately, the last SSB transmitter or transciever I ever tuned up or operated had tubes in it. I found some specs on the M-710 at: http://www.northeastmarineelectronic...M710-21-SSB.HT ML Eisboch |
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:18:43 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne.B Newsgroups: rec.boats Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 9:09 AM Subject: From some old archives........ On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 11:40:07 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Remember the NCR line of transceivers? ================================= The Signal/One CX7. Never actually saw one but I know it was supposed to be the marvel of its' day. Any idea how many were actually built? When I was a kid in the 50s and early 60s, I always aspired to a Collins KWS-1 and 75A-4. They were built like the proverbial brick house. By the early 70s I could actually afford something of that quality, but was living in a Manhattan apartment that was none too big for even the essentials. I ended up with a nice little R L Drake rig that tucked into the corner of the living room. Any experience with the Icom M-802 as a ham rig? I'm thinking of getting one for the Grand Banks. You guys are obviously up to speed on these radios, so I might be bugging you with a few questions. The SSB in our (oops) Mrs.E's soon to be Grand Banks is an Icom M-710, which I assume must be an older or less expensive version of the M-802. Unfortunately, the last SSB transmitter or transciever I ever tuned up or operated had tubes in it. I found some specs on the M-710 at: http://www.northeastmarineelectronic...M710-21-SSB.HT ML Actually, they are pretty much identical radios except that the 802 has a remote mounted control head and speaker. The 710 is an all in one deal. You are correct in that the 802 is a newer version of the 710. Don't try to make sense of the number scheme - none of it makes sense. :) The major difference is that the 802 is almost a completely digital product - there isn't a lot of A-to-D technology in that radio. It also has built-in Digital Signal Processing which is a plus. I think the 710 has mechanical filters, but I'm not sure of that. You might want to check and see if the 710 has all the filters installed. I believe that the 710 tuner is installed. Those are a must on a boat - otherwise you get some odd results with unbalanced antennas. I can give you some grounding pointers when it comes 'round to it to improve tuning and transmit performance. Same with the 802. Icom is a great radio company and I know a lot of hams who use Icom products almost exclusively. I didn't care for the Icom front panel control scheme so my modern ham gear is all Yaesu. Personally, I like the remote control panel deal - I have a Yaesu FT-900 with that scheme and I like it a lot when I'm operating mobile - hides the main radio and you can disconnect the control head and put that in a glove compartment. Ask away - always up for a radio discussion. :) Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message ... I believe that the 710 tuner is installed. Those are a must on a boat - otherwise you get some odd results with unbalanced antennas. I can give you some grounding pointers when it comes 'round to it to improve tuning and transmit performance. Same with the 802. Icom is a great radio company and I know a lot of hams who use Icom products almost exclusively. I didn't care for the Icom front panel control scheme so my modern ham gear is all Yaesu. Personally, I like the remote control panel deal - I have a Yaesu FT-900 with that scheme and I like it a lot when I'm operating mobile - hides the main radio and you can disconnect the control head and put that in a glove compartment. Ask away - always up for a radio discussion. :) Later, Tom It does have the automatic matching network or antenna tuner as they call it. When we officially close on the boat deal, which should be early next week, I am going to pull the radio and antenna out of the boat and play with it in the garage. We just have to finish the hull survey and get the results of the oil analysis. Of course, I will check into the license, I will, I will. I used to stand MARS watches for a while in the Navy, and that's the last time I played with these things. I used to fix 'em but I didn't know anything about using 'em. I am sure I'll have some dumb questions. Eisboch |
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:35:56 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message .. . I believe that the 710 tuner is installed. Those are a must on a boat - otherwise you get some odd results with unbalanced antennas. I can give you some grounding pointers when it comes 'round to it to improve tuning and transmit performance. Same with the 802. Icom is a great radio company and I know a lot of hams who use Icom products almost exclusively. I didn't care for the Icom front panel control scheme so my modern ham gear is all Yaesu. Personally, I like the remote control panel deal - I have a Yaesu FT-900 with that scheme and I like it a lot when I'm operating mobile - hides the main radio and you can disconnect the control head and put that in a glove compartment. Ask away - always up for a radio discussion. :) It does have the automatic matching network or antenna tuner as they call it. When we officially close on the boat deal, which should be early next week, I am going to pull the radio and antenna out of the boat and play with it in the garage. We just have to finish the hull survey and get the results of the oil analysis. Of course, I will check into the license, I will, I will. I used to stand MARS watches for a while in the Navy, and that's the last time I played with these things. I used to fix 'em but I didn't know anything about using 'em. I am sure I'll have some dumb questions. Just remember to keep the antenna in the clear when you are tinkering with the radio. Closeted in the garage can produce some interesting results with the house electrical system, not to mention the cars, trucks, tractors and other odds and ends like TV. Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message ... Just remember to keep the antenna in the clear when you are tinkering with the radio. Closeted in the garage can produce some interesting results with the house electrical system, not to mention the cars, trucks, tractors and other odds and ends like TV. Later, Tom Ya mean I can't use Mrs. E's Lincoln Navigator as a ground plane? Eisboch |
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:44:31 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message .. . Just remember to keep the antenna in the clear when you are tinkering with the radio. Closeted in the garage can produce some interesting results with the house electrical system, not to mention the cars, trucks, tractors and other odds and ends like TV. Ya mean I can't use Mrs. E's Lincoln Navigator as a ground plane? That's pretty much the point. Later, Tom |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:44:31 GMT, "Eisboch" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message .. . Just remember to keep the antenna in the clear when you are tinkering with the radio. Closeted in the garage can produce some interesting results with the house electrical system, not to mention the cars, trucks, tractors and other odds and ends like TV. Ya mean I can't use Mrs. E's Lincoln Navigator as a ground plane? That's pretty much the point. Later, Tom QSL Eisboch |
I thought you were a beemer guy. I've seen you over there a few times.
Dan Eisboch wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message ... Just remember to keep the antenna in the clear when you are tinkering with the radio. Closeted in the garage can produce some interesting results with the house electrical system, not to mention the cars, trucks, tractors and other odds and ends like TV. Later, Tom Ya mean I can't use Mrs. E's Lincoln Navigator as a ground plane? Eisboch |
Dan Krueger wrote in message ink.net... I thought you were a beemer guy. I've seen you over there a few times. Dan Seen me? Where? Used to have a beemer, but got rid of it a year ago. Eisboch |
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:55:11 GMT, "Eisboch"
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message .. . On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:44:31 GMT, "Eisboch" wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message .. . Just remember to keep the antenna in the clear when you are tinkering with the radio. Closeted in the garage can produce some interesting results with the house electrical system, not to mention the cars, trucks, tractors and other odds and ends like TV. Ya mean I can't use Mrs. E's Lincoln Navigator as a ground plane? That's pretty much the point. QSL 10-4. :) Later, Tom |
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:24:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Icom is a great radio company and I know a lot of hams who use Icom products almost exclusively. I didn't care for the Icom front panel control scheme so my modern ham gear is all Yaesu. I've never been a big fan of Icom. For one thing, they can't seem to make an H.F. radio with a good noise blanker circuit, at least not on the models I've owned. My little Yaesu FT-757 is a 20 year old design and it does far better in the noise suppression department. I also like Kenwood's user function interface over Icom's. Kenwood's seem more intuitive, while I find that I have to hit the manual for the Icom for those rarely used and easy to forget features. Your results may vary...... Dave |
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 07:10:13 -0500, Dave Hall
wrote: On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:24:24 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Icom is a great radio company and I know a lot of hams who use Icom products almost exclusively. I didn't care for the Icom front panel control scheme so my modern ham gear is all Yaesu. I've never been a big fan of Icom. For one thing, they can't seem to make an H.F. radio with a good noise blanker circuit, at least not on the models I've owned. My little Yaesu FT-757 is a 20 year old design and it does far better in the noise suppression department. The very first, "modern" all solid state radio I ever owned was a FT-757 - what a great radio. I also like Kenwood's user function interface over Icom's. Kenwood's seem more intuitive, while I find that I have to hit the manual for the Icom for those rarely used and easy to forget features. I've used Kenwoods in contest situations and like them. I used to have a 430 that I used on one of my boats for IOTA stuff from time-to-time. Your results may vary...... They always do. :) Later, Tom |
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Maybe a different Eisboch? Eisboch wrote: Dan Krueger wrote in message ink.net... I thought you were a beemer guy. I've seen you over there a few times. Dan Seen me? Where? Used to have a beemer, but got rid of it a year ago. Eisboch |
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