A Boat Operators Card is not a defensive driving course... it's barely a
beginner's exam for a retard!

CM

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message
news:G6Kmd.417721$D%.308970@attbi_s51...
No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to
have an accident.


"Ed C" wrote in message
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Did a license ever stop an accident on the road?


"Gordon" wrote in message
...
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the
pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all
stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have no
tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years.

CM

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message
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I have received a 10% allowance for my car and my boating safety courses.

I have to renew my defensive driving course every 3 yrs, but have received
the 10% discount for the last 17 yrs, I have received a 10% discount for a
course I took the last 1t yrs ago.

.
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:28:38 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers"
wrote:

No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely to
have an accident.



I am a proponent of boater safety courses, however, since taking part
in boater safety courses is an elective decision, you haven't
established whether this phenomenon is cause or effect.

I think it is most likely that those interested in boating safety
pursue the courses out of the initiative of self improvement. They
would have been safe, anyway.

Given the embarrassingly small percentage of discount afforded by the
insurance companies for boating safety course completers... I'd think
that few to none of those people holding boating safety and
navigational rules/information in low esteem would be induced to take
courses for selfish monetary reasons. They'd probably be unsafe,
anyway. There is a lot of difference between taking a course and
altering someone's behavior.

If I were an insurance company, I'd think of some pricing scheme to
induce boaters to take these boating safety courses (even the
disinterested ones), that is, if I truly felt that they would improve
safety and my bottom line.

Looking at the insurance companies complacent attitude toward this....
I'd conclude that it isn't all that strong a link to them.....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

It is time for you to change insurance companies.

Check out Geico.


"Capt. Mooron" wrote in message
...
I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all
stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have no
tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years.

CM

"Dr. Dr. Smithers" wrote in message
news:V4Lmd.417841$D%.372275@attbi_s51...
I have received a 10% allowance for my car and my boating safety courses.

I have to renew my defensive driving course every 3 yrs, but have
received the 10% discount for the last 17 yrs, I have received a 10%
discount for a course I took the last 1t yrs ago.

.
"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:28:38 GMT, "Dr. Dr. Smithers"
wrote:

No, but those who have taken defensive driving courses are less likely
to
have an accident.



I am a proponent of boater safety courses, however, since taking part
in boater safety courses is an elective decision, you haven't
established whether this phenomenon is cause or effect.

I think it is most likely that those interested in boating safety
pursue the courses out of the initiative of self improvement. They
would have been safe, anyway.

Given the embarrassingly small percentage of discount afforded by the
insurance companies for boating safety course completers... I'd think
that few to none of those people holding boating safety and
navigational rules/information in low esteem would be induced to take
courses for selfish monetary reasons. They'd probably be unsafe,
anyway. There is a lot of difference between taking a course and
altering someone's behavior.

If I were an insurance company, I'd think of some pricing scheme to
induce boaters to take these boating safety courses (even the
disinterested ones), that is, if I truly felt that they would improve
safety and my bottom line.

Looking at the insurance companies complacent attitude toward this....
I'd conclude that it isn't all that strong a link to them.....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Cdn ... my opinion, just another money grab.

"Gordon" wrote in message
...
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

"Gordon" wrote in message . ..
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

Do you have a right to go boating? If you need a license, the
government is changing it from a right to privilege. As soon as you
start licensing some activity as a privilege, a lot of due process
protections may go out the window.

"Gordon" wrote in message . ..
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

I am in canada and as some said you have to get a more or less useless
operator card for $20. Its better than nothing but not the big
breakthrough.

The goal must be to keep a certain kind of idiot of the water without
makeing other peoples hobbies difficult. Which unfortunately useually
fails as soon as politicians get their hands on it.

Matt

Not sure about in the middle of the country but I don't think due process
counts when the USCG teams or customs inspectors board.

"Curtis CCR" wrote in message
om...
"Gordon" wrote in message
. ..
Washington state wants to institute a revamped law to require boating
drivers licenses. To those in states who have such laws, what are the
pros
and cons of your system and does it prevent accidents etc or is it just
another red tape gizmo to collect money for the state?
Thanks in advance
Gordon

Do you have a right to go boating? If you need a license, the
government is changing it from a right to privilege. As soon as you
start licensing some activity as a privilege, a lot of due process
protections may go out the window.

I don't think due process
counts when the USCG teams or customs inspectors board.

That is probably why our sheriff usually carries an adolecent slick sleeve
coastie on his boat. The coastie does the actual boarding.
I also found it interesting that the coastie wasn't carrying the standard M9
Baretta side arm. He had, what appears to be, a sheriff issued Glock. Makes me
wonder if it was loaded. When I was in the CG you needed to be "rated" to carry
a sidearm in public. It was usually a GM2 or higher. Maybe the drug war has
changed that.

Capt. Mooron wrote:
I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all
stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have no
tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years.

CM

so let's see...the politicos who dance to the beat of the insurance
companies, and the TV ads paid for by the insurance companies told you
that your insurance premiums would go down if you took a course or
three...and you believed them...

Insurance premiums...yah it's theft and it's legal
Sucks eh?

Just my opinion they should insure the driver not the car. After all the
tables are based on the drivers record are they not? Try not owning one at
all and then renting. When I do have occasion to need a vehicle my rates,
even with VISA backup are still $11 a day. With driver license insurance I
could cover any listed class of vehicle...

"prodigal1" wrote in message
...
Capt. Mooron wrote:
I have no less than 6 certified advance vehicle control courses... all
stated I would get a discount on insurance premiums... I don't... I have
no
tickets, no record and no accidents for over 30 years.

CM

so let's see...the politicos who dance to the beat of the insurance
companies, and the TV ads paid for by the insurance companies told you
that your insurance premiums would go down if you took a course or
three...and you believed them...

Insurance premiums...yah it's theft and it's legal
Sucks eh?