On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:29:56 +0000, BllFs6 wrote:

Hi all....

This past summer I got to use a friends inflatable avon with a 4 hp
motor....and I really had a blast spending all day cruising around at about 4
knots in relative peace and quite and only using a few gallons of gas doing
it...of course that thing was about as hydrodynamic as cinder block....

It sure was the opposite of when I was a kid when and my Dad would take us on a
planing powered fishing boat, where we got beat to hell, went nearly deaf, got
soaked always, and burned gas/money like the Rockefellers.....

So, from my recent "cruising" experience, I've realized that slow and easy
could be pretty darn fun....and I could actually stand going so slow....so I
could cruise just for the sake of cruising on a nice day....or if I wanted to
dive or fish I could stand taking ALL day doing it (because of the slow
speed)...might as well since after a half day of fishing or diving Im so wiped
out anyway I spend the rest of day just vegging out.....so might as well vegg
out putting back to port in the boat....

Now, lets say I get the typical mostly enclosed small sailboat. Say 18 to 22
footer.

How many HP would I need to push such a vessel at hull speed? And say for
example that it calculates at 4HP, how much more power should I have in reserve
to fight wind, waves, bad weather, avoiding running the engine at max power etc
etc....


That's a Really Good Idea. All other things considered (such as being able
to "run" to safe water) a small sailboat is MUCH safer and more
comfortable in rough seas. Even little 22-footers are capable of being
turned completely upside-down and they will right themselves.

As others have mentioned, start out with sails down as a powerboat. Then,
slowly, work your way into sailing: raise the main and get the advantage
of increased stability (and, if you trim it right, an auto-helm!) Pull out
the genny downwind and enjoy silent cruising.

Or, go completely power and remove the mast and have a swing-keel,
retracted.

7.5 should be enough, 9.9 plenty.

The McGreggor is an option, but for what they are, they're EXPENSIVE!
$30K CDN for a "bare-bones" 26-ft boat?? You can get a nice Catalina 22
for 1/2 that, and they sail better!

My Favourites in that size are the Cal/Crown line (as long as you're not
going to trailer them). Cal20, Crown 23, Cal 25. Not that great for room,
but they sail well, INCREDIBLY seaworthy, and you can pick up a used one
for $5K.

Or, you can try to find a Folkboat 25 with an inboard diesel, or a
Bayfield...

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36 - powerboat with new 26hp diesel

On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:29:23 GMT, wrote:
Please explain why the righting moment of a sailboat would be improved by more
weight, higher up!

I can't wait to hear this one.

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Righting moment is not improved of course, but roll resistance is
improved a lot. A sailboat with out its mast will roll gunnel to
gunnel in any kind of seaway. I once found that out the hard way on a
dark and stormy night off the New Jersey coast. Not a fun ride.

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:08:52 GMT, "Falky foo"
wrote:

The ocean is NOT a pleasant place to be unless you're in a 60+ foot boat.

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My experience has been that from the mid 40s on up is usually a decent
ride. I've sailed to Bermuda 4 times on sailboats 48 to 55 feet and
they were all fairly comfortable. My 2 trips on a light, fast 41 were
anything but.

"BllFs6" wrote in message
...
Hi all....

or if I wanted to
dive or fish I could stand taking ALL day doing it (because of the slow
speed).

A sailboat is not a very good platform for fishing and especially poor for
diving. Getting back in a sailboat with scuba gear could be quite a
challenge

Now, lets say I get the typical mostly enclosed small sailboat. Say 18 to
22
footer.

That is pretty small! I would recommend a 25 foot boat as a minimum.


How many HP would I need to push such a vessel at hull speed? And say for
example that it calculates at 4HP, how much more power should I have in
reserve
to fight wind, waves, bad weather, avoiding running the engine at max
power etc
etc....

I would recommend getting as much as the boat can handle. You can always
throttle it back.


and generally if its something unexpected (ie pop up
thunderstorms) it only last a few hours at most.

If the boat can't handle the conditions you could be dead in a few
hours.....

jog 10 to 20 miles east/west of "the pass" and about 10 miles offshore
max...

Being close to the shore doesn't help you unless you can find shelter there.
Indeed, if the wind is coming from the ocean towards the shore being too
close can be a real problem. Being a mile from shore but twenty miles from
port still means you have twenty miles to go to get to shelter.



Would a sailboat (without any of the sailing thingamabobs on it) make a
decent
day/long weekend powered cruiser when used in nice weather?

A weekend on an 18 foot sailboat would be really cramped! At 25 feet two
people could be reasonably comfortable.

And would it be
reasonably safe (if not comfortable) in bad weather (compared to a high
powered
"normal" powerboat)?....

A sailboat tends to be very stable, and as long as you haven' t piled the
decks high with gear it could be quite sea-worthy.

Comfortable can be a different issue. In bad weather, you are going to get
tossed around. Some people can handle this fine, others get so sea-sick
they can't function. The boat can (probably will) leak and get everything
inside wet. Most small sailboats are tiller steered from the cockpit which
means you have to be out in the weather, which usually isn't too
comfortable. Compare this to a small powerboat that has an inside helm that
can keep you reasonably dry and warm.

And I certainly like the idea of economical boating being of a rather
cheap
nature myself (and being poor at the moment makes for a really bad
combination
:)....

Well, my first recommendation would be that if you are going to get a
sailboat, learn to sail! Think of how much more pleasant the cruise would
be if you weren't listening to the whine of that outboard and smelling its
fumes! Furthermore, in a decent wind you might actually make better time
with the sails then you could with the outboard. If the wind isn't
cooperating or blowing the wrong direction then you can fire up the motor
and cruise on in. It would also be safer, as you could always sail if the
motor died on you.

If you really didn't want to sail then I would recommend getting a power
boat that was built to go slow. A trawler or tug style boat would be just
your ticket, something with a displacement hull that could cruise along at 8
knots and not burn too much fuel doing it. The power boat will give you a
lot more useable space for a given length of boat and if you get a platform
off the transom it would be a lot better platform for diving.

Rod McInnis

Many sailboaters motor with the sail up just to slow the rolling.
G
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:29:23 GMT, wrote:
Please explain why the righting moment of a sailboat would be improved by
more
weight, higher up!

I can't wait to hear this one.

======================================

Righting moment is not improved of course, but roll resistance is
improved a lot. A sailboat with out its mast will roll gunnel to
gunnel in any kind of seaway. I once found that out the hard way on a
dark and stormy night off the New Jersey coast. Not a fun ride.