On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 03:40:56 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:37:34 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:

Anything in particular we should watch for in the survey? Other than
the regular stuff, I am interested in any blistering of the hull and of
any water intrusion through the teak deck screws.


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Have the fuel tanks pressure tested as part of the survey. They were
typically made from mild steel, aka black iron, and are prone to
rusting. It's a big job to replace them, but frequently needed.

Take a look here for a great deal of GB info:

http://oxfordyachtagency.com/ubb/

also the Trawler World archives:

http://lists.samurai.com/pipermail/t...nd-trawlering/

The 120 hp Lehmans have some interesting quirks but I'm not overly
conversant with the issues since my 49 has DD671s. Parts are alleged
to be available from various sources.


Thanks Wayne. And congrats on yours. I will make sure testing the tanks
is on the list.

It's funny, I always admired the GB boats, but never, in my wildest
dreams, did I think I ... well, she... would ever have one. She is proud
as a peacock. I just hope the buyer accepts her offer (he should, it's
a good offer) and that the survey does not uncover anything hidden that
is serious. She would be very disappointed.

I don't know a lot about these boats, but the ones that I've seen at
the Marina seem to have a LOT of wood. Is she up to maintaining all
that?

The other issue that I would suspect is structural wood. That was the
main problem with that Topaz I was looking at and I would assume it
would be the same here.

Good luck with the survey.

Later,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I don't know a lot about these boats, but the ones that I've seen at
the Marina seem to have a LOT of wood. Is she up to maintaining all
that?

Yes, it does and I've warned her. Just like I warned her about horses.
Some things just have to be experienced for full benefit, I guess.

For fun I was doing some calculations last night. We could make it from
here to Jupiter Fl. with only one stop for fuel. The Navigator gets
thirsty every day on the same trip and it's fairly efficient.

Eisboch

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:02:39 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I don't know a lot about these boats, but the ones that I've seen at
the Marina seem to have a LOT of wood. Is she up to maintaining all
that?

Yes, it does and I've warned her. Just like I warned her about horses.
Some things just have to be experienced for full benefit, I guess.

For fun I was doing some calculations last night. We could make it from
here to Jupiter Fl. with only one stop for fuel. The Navigator gets
thirsty every day on the same trip and it's fairly efficient.

I'll be waiting for an invite. :)

Later,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:02:39 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I don't know a lot about these boats, but the ones that I've seen at
the Marina seem to have a LOT of wood. Is she up to maintaining all
that?

Yes, it does and I've warned her. Just like I warned her about horses.
Some things just have to be experienced for full benefit, I guess.

For fun I was doing some calculations last night. We could make it from
here to Jupiter Fl. with only one stop for fuel. The Navigator gets
thirsty every day on the same trip and it's fairly efficient.


I'll be waiting for an invite. :)

Later,

Tom

Out of curiosity, do you trailer your Contender? If so, where do you
usually launch for ocean access?

Eisboch

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 10:20:08 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 07:02:39 -0500, Eisboch
wrote:


Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


I don't know a lot about these boats, but the ones that I've seen at
the Marina seem to have a LOT of wood. Is she up to maintaining all
that?

Yes, it does and I've warned her. Just like I warned her about horses.
Some things just have to be experienced for full benefit, I guess.

For fun I was doing some calculations last night. We could make it from
here to Jupiter Fl. with only one stop for fuel. The Navigator gets
thirsty every day on the same trip and it's fairly efficient.


I'll be waiting for an invite. :)

Out of curiosity, do you trailer your Contender? If so, where do you
usually launch for ocean access?

I have a trailer for it, but it requires a special permit, cars with
lights, all that nonsense so no, I don't trailer it on a permanent
basis. I have, at night and for short distances - say from Fall
River to Marblehead, trailered it rather than run it up or down the
coast, but that's not often. Normally I'll run it up the coast.

When I do go to Marblehead, I use the Winter Island (former USCG
station) ramp in Salem, MA and from there, rent a mooring from some
friends in Marblehead. This year, it's being trailered to a
dealership in CT for new E-TECs.

That will also be a "Midnight Run". :)

The trailer is really for storage purposes. It's a bunk style trailer
and is great for exactly that. In the spring, I have it pulled off
the trailer with a hoist, the bottom sprayed down and painted if
necessary, then in the water. Usually once a month during the season,
I haul it on the trailer, clean the bottom, wash the boat and
relaunch.

It's very handy. And my truck handles it very well even on the
highway.

Later,

Tom

For fun I was doing some calculations last night. We could make it from
here to Jupiter Fl. with only one stop for fuel. The Navigator gets
thirsty every day on the same trip and it's fairly efficient.

Eisboch

You could realize somewhere around 4nmpg with the GB, not counting anything
burned in the genset for A/C or what not.

Probably what, 2-4 times better than the Navigator?

Gould 0738 wrote:
For fun I was doing some calculations last night. We could make it from
here to Jupiter Fl. with only one stop for fuel. The Navigator gets
thirsty every day on the same trip and it's fairly efficient.

Eisboch


You could realize somewhere around 4nmpg with the GB, not counting anything
burned in the genset for A/C or what not.

Probably what, 2-4 times better than the Navigator?

Slightly over 4 times, if I recall. At cruise (19kts) the Navigator
burns about 26 gallons per hour (combined, both engines) which is not
too bad for a boat that probably displaces about 42,000 lbs loaded up
with all our junk. Based on some reading at Trawler World and similar
Websites I understand the little diesel in the GB burns around 3 gal/per
hour at 6-8kts, rising rapidly to 12 gal per hour WOT at a
wind-in-your-face 11-12kts.

I have not met the current owner yet, but from dockside chatter I
understand he used the boat quite a bit. It has been all around the
Great Lakes, East Coast, Florida, Bahamas and even Cuba.

We haven't heard a response yet to the offer. Assuming he is serious
about selling it should be acceptable as it was close to his asking
price. We'll see.

That brings up another interesting subject. You were/are a boat broker
were/are you not? I have a question. Assume a seller lists his boat
with a broker and the broker presents an asking price offer from a
buyer. If the seller changes his mind to sell, is the broker due his
commission as if the boat sold?

Eisboch

Subject: I have a crazy wife
From: Eisboch

understand the little diesel in the GB burns around 3 gal/per
hour at 6-8kts, rising rapidly to 12 gal per hour WOT at a
wind-in-your-face 11-12kts.


No way! A 120 Lehman can not burn 12 gals per hour even at WOT into the wind.

Capt. Bill

No way! A 120 Lehman can not burn 12 gals per hour even at WOT into the wind.

Capt. Bill

Agreed.

Nor will a 36 GB with a single 120 Lehman turn 12 knots.

But I don't think it makes any difference if you are running up or down wind-
that will change your SOG, but fuel consumption will be a function of throttle
setting.

Gould 0738 wrote:
No way! A 120 Lehman can not burn 12 gals per hour even at WOT into the wind.

Capt. Bill


Agreed.

Nor will a 36 GB with a single 120 Lehman turn 12 knots.

But I don't think it makes any difference if you are running up or down wind-
that will change your SOG, but fuel consumption will be a function of throttle
setting.


I was reading an archived article from "Soundings" on the GB 36. Here's
a section of the article:

"In many cases, single-engine models provide efficient cruising in the
8- to 9- knot range and burn a stingy three gallons per hour (gph).
Top-end speeds rise to 10 to 11 knots, but fuel consumption jumps to 12 gph"

It doesn't really say what engine. The complete article can be found at:

http://www.oya.com/library/sndgb36.php

For Mrs. E, it really doesn't matter. Her personal cruising will
probably be limited to chugging along through the harbor, around
Basset's island and back, all within a 6kt max speed zone.

Eisboch