"John H" wrote in message
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On 29 Dec 2003 15:26:13 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Doug, should we have allowed Saddam's invasion of Kuwait with the idea
that commerce would resolve any problems arising therefrom?

John H


You are confusing the issue. It's one thing to go to the aid of an ally
that
has been attacked. The PNAC doctrine encourages
"preemptive" strikes on countries that *may* be a *potential* threat to
us,
(solely determined by the Executive Branch).

Is not the 'picking of allies' part of the shaping of circumstances
which you find so abhorrent? Is not the picking of allies in our
fundamental interests? Is it our right to pick our allies? Chuck,
these are all things you find arrogant!

A preemptive strike doesn't constitute "picking an ally", John.

What we just did with Libya may end up being a perfect example of an
economic "preemptive strike". Gadaffi has been bought, somehow. Nothing
wrong with that, if it's a win-win situation. If it's not, it'll unravel, as
it should.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"John H" wrote in message
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On 29 Dec 2003 15:26:13 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Doug, should we have allowed Saddam's invasion of Kuwait with the idea
that commerce would resolve any problems arising therefrom?

John H


You are confusing the issue. It's one thing to go to the aid of an ally
that
has been attacked. The PNAC doctrine encourages
"preemptive" strikes on countries that *may* be a *potential* threat to
us,
(solely determined by the Executive Branch).

Is not the 'picking of allies' part of the shaping of circumstances
which you find so abhorrent? Is not the picking of allies in our
fundamental interests? Is it our right to pick our allies? Chuck,
these are all things you find arrogant!

A preemptive strike doesn't constitute "picking an ally", John.

What we just did with Libya may end up being a perfect example of an
economic "preemptive strike". Gadaffi has been bought, somehow.

How come Gadaffi couldn't be bought prior to our removing the governments of
Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't you think that it's possible he caved out of
fear rather than greed?

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:44:49 +0000, NOYB wrote:

How come Gadaffi couldn't be bought prior to our removing the governments
of Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't you think that it's possible he caved out
of fear rather than greed?

The process started long before Afghanistan, Iraq, or GWB. Reagan's
bombing might have woke him up. A little history:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3338713.stm

"NOYB" wrote in message
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What we just did with Libya may end up being a perfect example of an
economic "preemptive strike". Gadaffi has been bought, somehow.

How come Gadaffi couldn't be bought prior to our removing the governments
of
Afghanistan and Iraq? Don't you think that it's possible he caved out of
fear rather than greed?


Neither you nor I have a clue why he flipped. However, either guess is
convenient.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:08:43 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On 29 Dec 2003 15:26:13 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Doug, should we have allowed Saddam's invasion of Kuwait with the idea
that commerce would resolve any problems arising therefrom?

John H


You are confusing the issue. It's one thing to go to the aid of an ally
that
has been attacked. The PNAC doctrine encourages
"preemptive" strikes on countries that *may* be a *potential* threat to
us,
(solely determined by the Executive Branch).

Is not the 'picking of allies' part of the shaping of circumstances
which you find so abhorrent? Is not the picking of allies in our
fundamental interests? Is it our right to pick our allies? Chuck,
these are all things you find arrogant!

A preemptive strike doesn't constitute "picking an ally", John.

What we just did with Libya may end up being a perfect example of an
economic "preemptive strike". Gadaffi has been bought, somehow. Nothing
wrong with that, if it's a win-win situation. If it's not, it'll unravel, as
it should.

Does that mean that it's OK to 'shape circumstances' up to a point
which you define?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"John H" wrote in message
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Is not the 'picking of allies' part of the shaping of circumstances
which you find so abhorrent? Is not the picking of allies in our
fundamental interests? Is it our right to pick our allies? Chuck,
these are all things you find arrogant!

A preemptive strike doesn't constitute "picking an ally", John.

What we just did with Libya may end up being a perfect example of an
economic "preemptive strike". Gadaffi has been bought, somehow. Nothing
wrong with that, if it's a win-win situation. If it's not, it'll unravel,
as
it should.

Does that mean that it's OK to 'shape circumstances' up to a point
which you define?

John H

You may be responding to the wrong message, John. In the absence of a
blatant attack on this country, I have no problem with shaping circumstances
using diplomacy, trade or other bait. I *do* have a problem with certain
people in this government whose FIRST choice of methods is the use of force.
The movie "Dr Strangelove" was supposed to be a comedy, not a lesson for
future government employees.