On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:01:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:43:30 -0500, John S wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:58:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John S" wrote in message
...

The weather up here is turning pretty cold. I still see a few people
hauling
their aluminum outboards out for a day of fishing.

We probably need to caution some of these nimrods in the north about the
dangers of hypothermia.

Maybe this week I'll find some time to post a few links about the danger.

"We probably need...." ?????

You're full of advice for other people, aren't you? What makes you think the
fishermen you mentioned haven't discovered sweaters and thermal underwear?


There is a lot more to learn about hypothermia than just dressing warm. Did
you know that if you take a fall into freezing water your body may
involuntarily gasp for air sucking water into your lungs?

You know what that is called? It's part of something called the
Mammalian Dive Reflex only in reverse.

http://www.deeperblue.net/article.php/225

There has been some research into this as being part of the SIDs
cycle.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

I didn't know that. My wife, my kids, and myself are all PADI certified
divers though it has been a number of years since we went on a dive. My
daughter was 12 and my son 14 when they received their certification.

Hypothermia was quite a topic in the PADI course and since then, my wife and
I have taken up sea kayaking on the great lakes. I have read a lot about
hypothermia but have never seen that connection. Very interesting.

Just for the hell of it (really to take a bath), I jumped off the back of
the boat on an early spring camping trip into some pretty cold water. Maybe
about 55 degrees or so. What hit me first was a splitting headache. Sheesh,
I couldn't hardly believe how cold the water was and how fast it got to me.
Luckily we were beached and I moved into shore quickly and stood up out of
the water. I reentered the boat from the beached bow.

Needless to say I won't try that again.

Cold water is really, really cold!



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:39:09 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:58:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John S" wrote in message
. ..

The weather up here is turning pretty cold. I still see a few people
hauling
their aluminum outboards out for a day of fishing.

We probably need to caution some of these nimrods in the north about the
dangers of hypothermia.

Maybe this week I'll find some time to post a few links about the danger.

"We probably need...." ?????

You're full of advice for other people, aren't you? What makes you think the
fishermen you mentioned haven't discovered sweaters and thermal underwear?

What's underwear?

Later,

Tom

Does that wry sense of humor just come naturally to you?
I almost split my shorts.



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:49:10 -0500, John S wrote:

Cold water is really, really cold!

I think you've stumbled upon something that quite possibly we can all
agree on.

bb

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:55:30 -0500, John S wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:39:09 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:58:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John S" wrote in message
...

The weather up here is turning pretty cold. I still see a few people
hauling
their aluminum outboards out for a day of fishing.

We probably need to caution some of these nimrods in the north about the
dangers of hypothermia.

Maybe this week I'll find some time to post a few links about the danger.

"We probably need...." ?????

You're full of advice for other people, aren't you? What makes you think the
fishermen you mentioned haven't discovered sweaters and thermal underwear?

What's underwear?

Does that wry sense of humor just come naturally to you?
I almost split my shorts.

It's a gift.

Or a curse - I haven't figured which yet.

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:49:10 -0500, John S wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:01:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:43:30 -0500, John S wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:58:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John S" wrote in message
m...

The weather up here is turning pretty cold. I still see a few people
hauling
their aluminum outboards out for a day of fishing.

We probably need to caution some of these nimrods in the north about the
dangers of hypothermia.

Maybe this week I'll find some time to post a few links about the danger.

"We probably need...." ?????

You're full of advice for other people, aren't you? What makes you think the
fishermen you mentioned haven't discovered sweaters and thermal underwear?


There is a lot more to learn about hypothermia than just dressing warm. Did
you know that if you take a fall into freezing water your body may
involuntarily gasp for air sucking water into your lungs?

You know what that is called? It's part of something called the
Mammalian Dive Reflex only in reverse.

http://www.deeperblue.net/article.php/225

There has been some research into this as being part of the SIDs
cycle.

I didn't know that. My wife, my kids, and myself are all PADI certified
divers though it has been a number of years since we went on a dive. My
daughter was 12 and my son 14 when they received their certification.

Hypothermia was quite a topic in the PADI course and since then, my wife and
I have taken up sea kayaking on the great lakes. I have read a lot about
hypothermia but have never seen that connection. Very interesting.

Just for the hell of it (really to take a bath), I jumped off the back of
the boat on an early spring camping trip into some pretty cold water. Maybe
about 55 degrees or so. What hit me first was a splitting headache. Sheesh,
I couldn't hardly believe how cold the water was and how fast it got to me.
Luckily we were beached and I moved into shore quickly and stood up out of
the water. I reentered the boat from the beached bow.

Needless to say I won't try that again.

Cold water is really, really cold!

I bought an exposure suit a few years ago to use in cold water
situations. I know I look really silly in it, but still...

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:59:13 GMT, bb wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:49:10 -0500, John S wrote:

Cold water is really, really cold!

I think you've stumbled upon something that quite possibly we can all
agree on.

======================================

No, it's colder than that. When I was a teenager I capsized in Lake
Ontario about 3 weeks after the ice had gone out in the spring.
Fortunately I hadn't gotten too far. It took almost a minute before I
could take anything close to a full breath of air. After the 10 or 15
minutes it took me to get out, I could barely walk. It took over 2
hours in a warm room before I stopped shivering.

It's not an experiment that I'd care to repeat at age 59+.

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:14:16 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:59:13 GMT, bb wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:49:10 -0500, John S wrote:

Cold water is really, really cold!

I think you've stumbled upon something that quite possibly we can all
agree on.

======================================

No, it's colder than that. When I was a teenager I capsized in Lake
Ontario about 3 weeks after the ice had gone out in the spring.
Fortunately I hadn't gotten too far. It took almost a minute before I
could take anything close to a full breath of air. After the 10 or 15
minutes it took me to get out, I could barely walk. It took over 2
hours in a warm room before I stopped shivering.

It's not an experiment that I'd care to repeat at age 59+.

Wayne

Thanks for relating your experience. Gosh, right after ice out, the water
had to be in the 30's. Gives me the shivers just to think about it.

I guess it was really, really, really, really, really, really, really, cold.



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:12:58 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:49:10 -0500, John S wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:01:15 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:43:30 -0500, John S wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 10:58:39 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"John S" wrote in message
om...

The weather up here is turning pretty cold. I still see a few people
hauling
their aluminum outboards out for a day of fishing.

We probably need to caution some of these nimrods in the north about the
dangers of hypothermia.

Maybe this week I'll find some time to post a few links about the danger.

"We probably need...." ?????

You're full of advice for other people, aren't you? What makes you think the
fishermen you mentioned haven't discovered sweaters and thermal underwear?


There is a lot more to learn about hypothermia than just dressing warm. Did
you know that if you take a fall into freezing water your body may
involuntarily gasp for air sucking water into your lungs?

You know what that is called? It's part of something called the
Mammalian Dive Reflex only in reverse.

http://www.deeperblue.net/article.php/225

There has been some research into this as being part of the SIDs
cycle.

I didn't know that. My wife, my kids, and myself are all PADI certified
divers though it has been a number of years since we went on a dive. My
daughter was 12 and my son 14 when they received their certification.

Hypothermia was quite a topic in the PADI course and since then, my wife and
I have taken up sea kayaking on the great lakes. I have read a lot about
hypothermia but have never seen that connection. Very interesting.

Just for the hell of it (really to take a bath), I jumped off the back of
the boat on an early spring camping trip into some pretty cold water. Maybe
about 55 degrees or so. What hit me first was a splitting headache. Sheesh,
I couldn't hardly believe how cold the water was and how fast it got to me.
Luckily we were beached and I moved into shore quickly and stood up out of
the water. I reentered the boat from the beached bow.

Needless to say I won't try that again.

Cold water is really, really cold!

I bought an exposure suit a few years ago to use in cold water
situations. I know I look really silly in it, but still...


Can I just imagine please? Heh heh heh!



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:14:16 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:59:13 GMT, bb wrote:

On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:49:10 -0500, John S wrote:

Cold water is really, really cold!

I think you've stumbled upon something that quite possibly we can all
agree on.

======================================

No, it's colder than that. When I was a teenager I capsized in Lake
Ontario about 3 weeks after the ice had gone out in the spring.
Fortunately I hadn't gotten too far. It took almost a minute before I
could take anything close to a full breath of air. After the 10 or 15
minutes it took me to get out, I could barely walk. It took over 2
hours in a warm room before I stopped shivering.

It's not an experiment that I'd care to repeat at age 59+.

Chicken. :)

Later,

Tom