Hi I always hate this kind of thing but mindless ignorance by
bussiness people?
You'd think the customer was the first concern , not his almighty
buck...


I've put my boat into storage for the winter at a place I've used for
3 years with good results. but

This year they had me sign a policy statement that they were allowed
to move peoples stuff around without consent. Also , the usual thing
about damage -- its not their responsiblity.

I put my boat up for the winter about 10 days ago. I placed the boat
tongue on a concret block with a wooden piece of 2*4 under it. The guy
at the place told me that the "wind" could affect my boat unless I put
it close to the other ones.

I went back on Saturday and found my boat , pushed off to one side
about 4 feet-- the tounge on the ground the tarp ripped and one of the
chocks about 3 feet( the left wheel ) below from were I left it. All I
can determine is that the guy used his pickup truck to knock my boat
over about 1-2 feet. In the process he knocked my boat off the
concrete block onto the ground. I guess customers are treated like
sh#t cause I signed the policy.

Can such storage yards justify owner vanadalism with their discalmer
policy?

What really gets me is that this guy is moving my boat 2 feet to make
space, yet he has a 65 year old rust bucket truck and about 34 feet of
rusty pipe next to it taking up about 6 car or boat lengths that he
could easily rent out and make money by sending his "junk" to the
crusher..

What is your opinion ?

I know I won't be going back -- very poor busines practice - knock
your customers items around with your big powerful gas guzzling
pickup.

this guy is an accident waiting to happen and in my view very bad for
business.

On 8 Nov 2004 08:18:30 -0800, (kruliczek) wrote:
What really gets me is that this guy is moving my boat 2 feet to make
space, yet he has a 65 year old rust bucket truck and about 34 feet of
rusty pipe next to it taking up about 6 car or boat lengths that he
could easily rent out and make money by sending his "junk" to the
crusher..

What is your opinion ?

===============================

Find another boat yard, you already know the answer.

IMHO- take him to court. His new "contract" probably won't stand up against
his obvious abuse of your property. Take lots of pictures.



"kruliczek" wrote in message
om...
Hi I always hate this kind of thing but mindless ignorance by
bussiness people?
You'd think the customer was the first concern , not his almighty
buck...


I've put my boat into storage for the winter at a place I've used for
3 years with good results. but

This year they had me sign a policy statement that they were allowed
to move peoples stuff around without consent. Also , the usual thing
about damage -- its not their responsiblity.

I put my boat up for the winter about 10 days ago. I placed the boat
tongue on a concret block with a wooden piece of 2*4 under it. The guy
at the place told me that the "wind" could affect my boat unless I put
it close to the other ones.

I went back on Saturday and found my boat , pushed off to one side
about 4 feet-- the tounge on the ground the tarp ripped and one of the
chocks about 3 feet( the left wheel ) below from were I left it. All I
can determine is that the guy used his pickup truck to knock my boat
over about 1-2 feet. In the process he knocked my boat off the
concrete block onto the ground. I guess customers are treated like
sh#t cause I signed the policy.

Can such storage yards justify owner vanadalism with their discalmer
policy?

What really gets me is that this guy is moving my boat 2 feet to make
space, yet he has a 65 year old rust bucket truck and about 34 feet of
rusty pipe next to it taking up about 6 car or boat lengths that he
could easily rent out and make money by sending his "junk" to the
crusher..

What is your opinion ?

I know I won't be going back -- very poor busines practice - knock
your customers items around with your big powerful gas guzzling
pickup.

this guy is an accident waiting to happen and in my view very bad for
business.

Many, perhaps most, of us have surge brakes and use the back-up light
circuit to keep from backing with the brakes on.... many of the above
stated use equipment (a tractor, for example) not suited to release
the brakes and consequently back your trailer and boat with the brakes
full-on....

I think my last pads, calipers, and backing plates were damaged by
just such careless behavior.



Run that by me again?
G

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:41:01 GMT, "Gordon" wrote:

Many, perhaps most, of us have surge brakes and use the back-up light
circuit to keep from backing with the brakes on.... many of the above
stated use equipment (a tractor, for example) not suited to release
the brakes and consequently back your trailer and boat with the brakes
full-on....

I think my last pads, calipers, and backing plates were damaged by
just such careless behavior.

Run that by me again?

On trailers with surge brakes, the pressure is put on the rotors by
backing up the trailer. The pressure of backing up the trailer pushes
the plunger thus locking up the brakes. Normally, the backup light is
connected to a release solenoid releasing pressure on the brake
system. When moving a boat without that release solenoid, as in
hooking up to a tractor with a three point hitch, for instance, you
need to use a mechanical lockout to keep the pads from locking up the
braking system.

What our friend described is probably what happened - the mechanical
release wasn't put in place causing the brakes to lock up when the
trailer was moved. Without that release, there can be a big build up
of mechanical pressure, although I don't know why the pressure relief
didn't kick off.

I have seen inexperienced yard workers do this occasionally.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:42:26 -0500, Gene Kearns
. wrote:

On 8 Nov 2004 08:18:30 -0800, (kruliczek) wrote:

Hi I always hate this kind of thing but mindless ignorance by
bussiness people?
You'd think the customer was the first concern , not his almighty
buck...


I'll share another poor business practice with you... perpetrated on
boaters by sales, maintenance, detailers, storage, etc .....

Many, perhaps most, of us have surge brakes and use the back-up light
circuit to keep from backing with the brakes on.... many of the above
stated use equipment (a tractor, for example) not suited to release
the brakes and consequently back your trailer and boat with the brakes
full-on....

I think my last pads, calipers, and backing plates were damaged by
just such careless behavior.

Gene

I have disc brakes on my trailer too. I have been kicking around the idea of
replacing my existing hitch with one that works with the backup lights. My
existing hitch has a mechanical lever to lock it in the "backup" direction
but it seems to pop out when I put a lot of pressure on it.

I store my boat through the winter months in a controlled climate section of
a limestone mine. I use the express check-in, just drop off the boat and
they park it in the mine for me.

My concern and it sounds like I am right is that the electronic backup locks
don't have a provision for mechanically locking out the brakes for backing
up. When I drop the boat off now, I use nylon ties to make sure the lock for
the backup is held in position so the boat jockeys don't damage the brakes.

Does yours have a mechanical reverse lockout or is it strictly done
electrically?



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

I have a magnetic plug that is inserted in the side of the actuator that
prevents it from moving back and activating the brakes. Install the plug
and your done. Pull the plug when your ready to haul.
You can make one out of a bolt head and some wire ties that will work just
as good as the magnetic one.

As for the marina. They are not responsible. You know what they use to
launch the boat and you should either disconnect the brakes, make a plug, or
not leave it there. How are they supposed to keep the brakes from engaging
if you don't protect your system.

--
Tony
my boats and cars at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com


"John S" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:42:26 -0500, Gene Kearns
. wrote:

On 8 Nov 2004 08:18:30 -0800, (kruliczek) wrote:

Hi I always hate this kind of thing but mindless ignorance by
bussiness people?
You'd think the customer was the first concern , not his almighty
buck...


I'll share another poor business practice with you... perpetrated on
boaters by sales, maintenance, detailers, storage, etc .....

Many, perhaps most, of us have surge brakes and use the back-up light
circuit to keep from backing with the brakes on.... many of the above
stated use equipment (a tractor, for example) not suited to release
the brakes and consequently back your trailer and boat with the brakes
full-on....

I think my last pads, calipers, and backing plates were damaged by
just such careless behavior.

Gene

I have disc brakes on my trailer too. I have been kicking around the idea
of
replacing my existing hitch with one that works with the backup lights. My
existing hitch has a mechanical lever to lock it in the "backup" direction
but it seems to pop out when I put a lot of pressure on it.

I store my boat through the winter months in a controlled climate section
of
a limestone mine. I use the express check-in, just drop off the boat and
they park it in the mine for me.

My concern and it sounds like I am right is that the electronic backup
locks
don't have a provision for mechanically locking out the brakes for backing
up. When I drop the boat off now, I use nylon ties to make sure the lock
for
the backup is held in position so the boat jockeys don't damage the
brakes.

Does yours have a mechanical reverse lockout or is it strictly done
electrically?



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

"John S" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:42:26 -0500, Gene Kearns
. wrote:

On 8 Nov 2004 08:18:30 -0800, (kruliczek) wrote:

Hi I always hate this kind of thing but mindless ignorance by
bussiness people?
You'd think the customer was the first concern , not his almighty
buck...


I'll share another poor business practice with you... perpetrated on
boaters by sales, maintenance, detailers, storage, etc .....

Many, perhaps most, of us have surge brakes and use the back-up light
circuit to keep from backing with the brakes on.... many of the above
stated use equipment (a tractor, for example) not suited to release
the brakes and consequently back your trailer and boat with the brakes
full-on....

I think my last pads, calipers, and backing plates were damaged by
just such careless behavior.

Gene

I have disc brakes on my trailer too. I have been kicking around the idea
of
replacing my existing hitch with one that works with the backup lights. My
existing hitch has a mechanical lever to lock it in the "backup" direction
but it seems to pop out when I put a lot of pressure on it.

I store my boat through the winter months in a controlled climate section
of
a limestone mine. I use the express check-in, just drop off the boat and
they park it in the mine for me.

My concern and it sounds like I am right is that the electronic backup
locks
don't have a provision for mechanically locking out the brakes for backing
up. When I drop the boat off now, I use nylon ties to make sure the lock
for
the backup is held in position so the boat jockeys don't damage the
brakes.

Does yours have a mechanical reverse lockout or is it strictly done
electrically?



Regards
John S

I would rather be boating!

You can add the reverse lockout solenoid to any master cylinder. They are
$35-70 depending on the type: blocking or bypass. And the couplers have
mechanical lockouts the same as drum brakes. My Dico has a neat feature.
Pin is inserted when the couple is locked and prevents the couple from
becoming unhooked even if the latch is opened. Just move the pin to a hole
in the coupler neck to lockout the brakes.

"kruliczek" wrote in message
om...

Can such storage yards justify owner vanadalism with their discalmer
policy?

Surely their disclaimer can't cover negligence, they have a duty to take
care.