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On 30-Nov-2004, Keenan Wellar

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in article et,
rick
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wrote on 11/30/04 5:26 PM:

Japan invaded mostly on the basis of *US* actions in the Pacific.
Actions
that are taken by agressors, not neutrals.

That's interesting logic. Are you saying that any nation that is
attacked by
another nation was at war with them prior to the attack?

Actually, on this point he's right. The US had embargoed oil and
other
trade
with Japan as the latter was at war in China, Korea etc (since '37...
and
the
US was a major oil exporter in those days). They also moved the
Pacific
Fleet
to Pearl Harbor and upgraded their bases in the Philippines. Japan
wanted to
secure oil supplies in Indonesia and the US had been beating the war
drum
about
protecting the Pacific. To the Japanese, it looked like direct
threats
and the
embargo was interpreted as a war-like action. Hence the attacks on
Pearl
Harbour and Clarke.

Yes, I fully understand and have prior knowledge of these pre-war
circumstances.
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No you don't. You prove that with your ignotrant posts.

I am disputing the notion that when one nation attacks
another nation with force, the nation that has been attacked is
thereby
deemed to have already been at war, simply because they were attacked.
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Nice strawman fool, but that wasn't what I stated, nor was it the case.
Again, go back to your own stupid anaology about NZ and Canada. If
Canada
had taken no actions that interfered with NZ prior to the invasion

BUT WHO DECIDES WHAT CONSTITUTES INTERFERING

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You shouldn't be imposing bloakades, embargos, confiscating assets,
delivering arms/supplies to their foes. All those actions are
considered to be non-neutral, and morally and legally war-like actions.


Ohhhh, now it is called "war-like actions."

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Always has been fool. I'm trying to get you into words you might
understand, for a change...


More weasel-words.

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No, they are not.


Can I have your full list of exactly which types of actions constitute
"interfering" because I think it's going to reveal that every single
nation in the world is at war. Depressing news!

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Again, your strawmen have nothing, fool. try reading for comprehension.



And, according to you, I guess George W Bush is lying again, because
before he left Canada after his little visit earlier this week, and he
said that our two nations were best of friends. But the US is (according
to you) currently taking war against Canada by restricting trade of
softwood lumber and preventing the sale of Canadian beef.

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Nope. Never said that, never implied that. YOU are too stupid to read
english for comprehension. Who is Canada at war with, and that we are
supplying?



Either George W is lying, or you have a strange definition of war.

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No, you have no idea of the term...


Too bad you are so ignorant and stupid as to not understand, or are just
too full of hate to want to understand.


What have I said that even approximates hate?

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ROTFLMAO Everything you've written, fool.



That is the question at hand with your bizarre theory.

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It's not theory you ignorant dolt. If I were you i'd demand an
immediate refund from whatever scgools you went to. They obviously
failed you.


Mm. Well, they certainly never prepare me for illogic of such a grand
scale as you have managed here.

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Nope, the logic is perfect, you are the failed example of hate and
ignorance...




Does New Zealand simply announce that Canada is interfering, and thus
Canada
is deemed to be at war? What constitutes interference...trade
restrictions...refusing to participate in a summit on sheep...?

Canada and the US intefere with each other in a thousand different
ways...the US interferes with just about every nation on the planet.
Does
that mean they are all at war?!? This is totally nonsensical.

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Yes, your idiocy is nonsense. The problem with *your* bogus
analogies(you really have a hard time with them don't you fool) is that
the discussion at hand is the country you are intervering with is already
at war, and you are taking actions that side with their foes, while
trying to declare neutrality. It doesn't work that way, and you are
morally and legally at war with that country when you help the foes, or
punish that country. Man, you really are just too stupid for this,
aren't you?


That's one possibility.

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Exactly the right possibility.





 
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