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A solution to the pollution!
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:53:28 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: I've had enough.... but I'm doing something about it. I have set up a very small news server that is cleansing (at least on my computer) rec.boats. Today, there have been fewer than 20 boating related posts. A sad testamentary to the 200+ posts that were expected a year or so ago.... Feel free to read my news server. Email me for a password, if you want to post. If your post is not on topic... even (just) your signature.... you won't get through. Don't complain about content anymore. You have an option. See: http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/newsg...xplanation.htm Great idea Gene. Hope you get a lot of action over there. Why so many pop-ups? (Just kidding!) John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. Perhaps I need to out a few more. jps, basskisser, bb, johns, thunder and others might object to you "outing" them. |
Harry Krause wrote: Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. If hanging your true identity out in cyberspace provides you with the belief that you are a "real man", your psychosis is much worse than originally believed. -- Charlie |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:36:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head. Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another person's face. This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had *something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant, incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your crap, but that is why you came here, right? So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names. Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late? I'd be delighted to see the non-boaters leave, even if they slam the door behind them, and get this newsgroup back on topic, or at least on pleasant topics. OK Harry, show us the way. You be the role model. Drop your derogatory signature line and do not respond to OT posts. Also, no OT posts by you either. Let us see if you can practice what you preach. Regards John S Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:11:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:52:18 -0500, John S wrote: OK Harry, show us the way. You be the role model. Drop your derogatory signature line and do not respond to OT posts. Also, no OT posts by you either. Let us see if you can practice what you preach. Regards John S Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! This sort of thing is headed in the right direction. I'd like both of you to: -Drop your derogatory signature line -not respond to OT posts -and not post OT posts. Both of you have contributed useful boating information in the past.... can we get back to that? Can both of you agree on a proper code of behavior to clean up rec.boats? Can you stick by it? Can you encourage your respective reference groups to do so? It would certainly be a start in the right direction. My signature line has been dropped. Regards John S |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head. Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another person's face. This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had *something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant, incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your crap, but that is why you came here, right? So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names. Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late? Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the line of fire! John Herring On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:10:54 -0500, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head. Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another person's face. This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had *something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant, incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your crap, but that is why you came here, right? So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names. Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late? Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the line of fire! John Herring On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Cyberspace is not necessarily a nice place and identity theft, phishing, etc. are common practices. In all of the newsgroups I subscribe to, people sometimes use their real names (particularly if they have a commercial interest) while a pseudonym is just as common. Have a look at sci.geo.satellite-nav or sci.geo.cartography for example. Not everyone uses their real name when making a post. It doesn't seem to bother anybody there. In point of fact, US-CERT Security Tips advises you not to give out any personal information over the internet unless absolutely required to complete a transaction and then only over a secured connection with a party that you trust. I'll stick with the recommendations of the Feds and not divulge personal information. The right to privacy and security is something I take very seriously. Regards John S |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:41:38 -0500, JohnH wrote: Great idea Gene. Hope you get a lot of action over there. Why so many pop-ups? (Just kidding!) John H I sure hope you didn't see anything like that! I'm not logging accesses and only require a password for posting to retain some sort of control over misuse and amount of bandwidth usage. My site is, obviously, not commercial. I've love to see a site on receational boating where all posters had to include their real name and ISP somewhere in the headers of their post. I don't know what the problem is...even Karl Derringer, who is as far out there as anyone, is not afraid to use his real name. It's not a security issue...if it were, Karl, who knows about such things, would hide behind the skirts of a made-up name. The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Agreed. Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. Perhaps I need to out a few more. Maybe you could out them all? :) All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:50:16 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Perhaps I need to out a few more. Maybe you could out them all? :) I might...You figure full name, address, telephone number would be enough? No, actually, I was joking. I really don't think that'd a good idea. Later, Tom |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:48:42 -0500, John S wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:10:54 -0500, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head. Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another person's face. This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had *something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant, incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your crap, but that is why you came here, right? So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names. Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late? Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the line of fire! John Herring On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! Cyberspace is not necessarily a nice place and identity theft, phishing, etc. are common practices. In all of the newsgroups I subscribe to, people sometimes use their real names (particularly if they have a commercial interest) while a pseudonym is just as common. Have a look at sci.geo.satellite-nav or sci.geo.cartography for example. Not everyone uses their real name when making a post. It doesn't seem to bother anybody there. In point of fact, US-CERT Security Tips advises you not to give out any personal information over the internet unless absolutely required to complete a transaction and then only over a secured connection with a party that you trust. I'll stick with the recommendations of the Feds and not divulge personal information. The right to privacy and security is something I take very seriously. Regards John S Well, Harry has broadcast my last name so much that it probably doesn't make any difference anyway. But, I think you may be correct and will take it off my signature line again. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:41:38 -0500, JohnH wrote: Great idea Gene. Hope you get a lot of action over there. Why so many pop-ups? (Just kidding!) John H I sure hope you didn't see anything like that! I'm not logging accesses and only require a password for posting to retain some sort of control over misuse and amount of bandwidth usage. My site is, obviously, not commercial. I've love to see a site on receational boating where all posters had to include their real name and ISP somewhere in the headers of their post. I don't know what the problem is...even Karl Derringer, who is as far out there as anyone, is not afraid to use his real name. It's not a security issue...if it were, Karl, who knows about such things, would hide behind the skirts of a made-up name. The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Agreed. Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. Perhaps I need to out a few more. Maybe you could out them all? :) All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 Sorry Harry. Obviously Eisboch is not my real name, but I've been Eisboch since I first got on line at 1200 baud on a Prodigy account. I used to post my real name in the reply to email address but got sick of all the spam it generated. So, real man or not, Eisboch it is, and Eisboch it shall stay. Eisboch (who?) |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:25:16 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause wrote: Gene Kearns wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:41:38 -0500, JohnH wrote: Great idea Gene. Hope you get a lot of action over there. Why so many pop-ups? (Just kidding!) John H I sure hope you didn't see anything like that! I'm not logging accesses and only require a password for posting to retain some sort of control over misuse and amount of bandwidth usage. My site is, obviously, not commercial. I've love to see a site on receational boating where all posters had to include their real name and ISP somewhere in the headers of their post. I don't know what the problem is...even Karl Derringer, who is as far out there as anyone, is not afraid to use his real name. It's not a security issue...if it were, Karl, who knows about such things, would hide behind the skirts of a made-up name. The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Agreed. Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. Perhaps I need to out a few more. Maybe you could out them all? :) Sorry Harry. Obviously Eisboch is not my real name, but I've been Eisboch since I first got on line at 1200 baud on a Prodigy account. I used to post my real name in the reply to email address but got sick of all the spam it generated. So, real man or not, Eisboch it is, and Eisboch it shall stay. LOL!!! Over the years, since before the Great Renaming, I have had (and I just counted) 316 different "nicks" running the spectrum from the ridiculous to the sublime. Once a friend made up a stats program to see who was posting how much on one newsgroup I was a regular on and just to screw him up, I made up a new name every single post. That was a fun day. TTFN, Tom "Bodies are for hookers and fat people." Bender - "Futurama" |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:59:19 -0500, Gene Kearns
. wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:25:16 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Sorry Harry. Obviously Eisboch is not my real name, but I've been Eisboch since I first got on line at 1200 baud on a Prodigy account. I used to post my real name in the reply to email address but got sick of all the spam it generated. So, real man or not, Eisboch it is, and Eisboch it shall stay. Eisboch (who?) Well, most of us 'ole timers know who you are.... and you've now developed a bit of class envy...... 1200 baud, indeed. I was one of the poor kids on the block using the 300 baud acoustical modem. Honey, don't pick up the phone, ok??? Oh, sh*t.... not again.... Those were the days. Later, Tom |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. Perhaps I need to out a few more. =================================== I think there are plenty of good reasons for not splashing your name all over the internet. I also believe however that there should be a way to trace every post and EMAIL back to its' true source if there is a legitimate reason to know. THAT would cut out a lot of BS rather quickly but it also invokes the specter of Big Brother. |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:54:52 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: It would certainly cut down on the snarly mob atmosphere in here if the right-wing assholes had to identify themselves. In fact, I'd bet they'd disappear altogether. ========================================== Since this is a boating group, not a political group, anyone who expresses a political opinion of ANY flavor deserves what they get. |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:36:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: I'd be delighted to see the non-boaters leave, even if they slam the door behind them, and get this newsgroup back on topic, or at least on pleasant topics. ====================================== OK, good idea. I can think of no one more qualified to lead by example than yourself. |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:10:54 -0500, JohnH
wrote: Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the line of fire! John Herring ======================== Clean up your own act before you throw stones. |
Gene Kearns wrote:
1200 baud, indeed. I was one of the poor kids on the block using the 300 baud acoustical modem. Honey, don't pick up the phone, ok??? Oh, sh*t.... not again.... I had 1200 baud capability because I sprung for the latest and greatest CPU - a brand new shiny I-286 running Geoworks. (The original "windows" based software, before Microsoft came along) Eisboch |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... I'd be delighted to see the non-boaters leave, even if they slam the door behind them, and get this newsgroup back on topic, or at least on pleasant topics. Harry, If you really want this NG to get back on topic why don't you stay on topic or at least on pleasant topics. |
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: 1200 baud, indeed. I was one of the poor kids on the block using the 300 baud acoustical modem. Honey, don't pick up the phone, ok??? Oh, sh*t.... not again.... I had 1200 baud capability because I sprung for the latest and greatest CPU - a brand new shiny I-286 running Geoworks. (The original "windows" based software, before Microsoft came along) Eisboch 1200 was fast!!!! While going to college, I maintained the computers in an online banking data center in San Francisco. We had 110 BAUD leased lines from as far away as Seattle, and Salt Lake City. |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:11:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:52:18 -0500, John S wrote: OK Harry, show us the way. You be the role model. Drop your derogatory signature line and do not respond to OT posts. Also, no OT posts by you either. Let us see if you can practice what you preach. Regards John S Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too! This sort of thing is headed in the right direction. I'd like both of you to: -Drop your derogatory signature line -not respond to OT posts -and not post OT posts. Both of you have contributed useful boating information in the past.... can we get back to that? Can both of you agree on a proper code of behavior to clean up rec.boats? Can you stick by it? Can you encourage your respective reference groups to do so? It would certainly be a start in the right direction. It wouldn't hurt for you to chirp a bit at the OT posters too! The more people to discourage OT posters, the better. Let's all let them know they should take their OT unpleasant posts elsewhere. Discouraging OT unpleasant posts is everyone's responsibility. Regards John S I would rather be boating! |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:34:07 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
Gene Kearns wrote: 1200 baud, indeed. I was one of the poor kids on the block using the 300 baud acoustical modem. Honey, don't pick up the phone, ok??? Oh, sh*t.... not again.... I had 1200 baud capability because I sprung for the latest and greatest CPU - a brand new shiny I-286 running Geoworks. (The original "windows" based software, before Microsoft came along) My very first computer was an Altair 8800 which the old S-100 bus. Later on I got a paper tape reader for it - KEWL!!!! Technically, I suppose the VERY VERY first computer I actually had was a logical switching circuit I built using transistors and diodes. :) My first "real" computer was a VIC-20. Now that was really cool - had a tape recorder for data/program storage and everything!!! Then it was a secession of Apples, the first really basic BBS I ran using my first XT with a 20 Mb drive and a 300 baud modem, up to a Spitfire BBS in the CT PC BBS system which connected through Yale University (through a three node hop) to ARPA net at a blazing 2400 baud, eventually becoming the Internet at a blazing 9600 baud, then three of us local types invested in direct line to UCONN's Internet server eventually selling that company and... Oh my god, my life is flashing before my eyes!!!!! :) I have never "owned" a Mac. As in the political stuff around here, I was at odds with the rest of the family, I was a die hard PC man from the git-go. My wife and kids all had Macs though. Still do. Damn school system. All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:42:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:34:07 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Gene Kearns wrote: 1200 baud, indeed. I was one of the poor kids on the block using the 300 baud acoustical modem. Honey, don't pick up the phone, ok??? Oh, sh*t.... not again.... I had 1200 baud capability because I sprung for the latest and greatest CPU - a brand new shiny I-286 running Geoworks. (The original "windows" based software, before Microsoft came along) My very first computer was an Altair 8800 which the old S-100 bus. Later on I got a paper tape reader for it - KEWL!!!! Technically, I suppose the VERY VERY first computer I actually had was a logical switching circuit I built using transistors and diodes. :) My first "real" computer was a VIC-20. Now that was really cool - had a tape recorder for data/program storage and everything!!! Then it was a secession of Apples, the first really basic BBS I ran using my first XT with a 20 Mb drive and a 300 baud modem, up to a Spitfire BBS in the CT PC BBS system which connected through Yale University (through a three node hop) to ARPA net at a blazing 2400 baud, eventually becoming the Internet at a blazing 9600 baud, then three of us local types invested in direct line to UCONN's Internet server eventually selling that company and... Oh my god, my life is flashing before my eyes!!!!! :) I have never "owned" a Mac. As in the political stuff around here, I was at odds with the rest of the family, I was a die hard PC man from the git-go. My wife and kids all had Macs though. Still do. Damn school system. All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 Mine was a home built single board kit that I bought at a hamfest. Then I really moved up to a Radio Shack TRS80. I ran up some huge phone bills downloading programs from the University of Michigan at 300 baud. Back then, I considered it a hobby. Today it is my career. Regards John S I would rather be boating! |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:07:03 -0500, John S wrote:
Mine was a home built single board kit that I bought at a hamfest. Then I really moved up to a Radio Shack TRS80. I ran up some huge phone bills downloading programs from the University of Michigan at 300 baud. Back then, I considered it a hobby. Today it is my career. I think everybody went into the business at one time or another. Later, Tom "Beware the one legged man in a butt kicking contest - he is there for a reason." Wun Hung Lo - date unknown |
John S wrote:
Mine was a home built single board kit that I bought at a hamfest. Then I really moved up to a Radio Shack TRS80. I ran up some huge phone bills downloading programs from the University of Michigan at 300 baud. Back then, I considered it a hobby. Today it is my career. Regards John S I would rather be boating! My first "computer" was a Texas Instruments TI-4 or something like that. It was a small unit in a black case and you programmed it in some form of rudimentary TI-Basic. After several hours of programming and de-bugging you could hook it up to a television (through the RF modulator) and watch little stick figures walk around on the screen. I played with it for a couple of weeks until my son (now 30 years old) decided it was a bank and dropped a penny into one of the ventilation slots. After that I also had a Radio Shack Trash 80. It was actually fairly advanced for it's time. Next came the IBM compatible model prior to the release of the 286. I have forgotten what it's nomenclature was - 8106 or 8196 or something like that. It could actually run the first flight simulator program - the airplane was a little cross flying over a basic map of the US. It's really amazing, when you think about it, to consider the advances made in the past 20 - 30 years. Eisboch |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:32:53 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
John S wrote: Mine was a home built single board kit that I bought at a hamfest. Then I really moved up to a Radio Shack TRS80. I ran up some huge phone bills downloading programs from the University of Michigan at 300 baud. Back then, I considered it a hobby. Today it is my career. Regards John S I would rather be boating! My first "computer" was a Texas Instruments TI-4 or something like that. It was a small unit in a black case and you programmed it in some form of rudimentary TI-Basic. After several hours of programming and de-bugging you could hook it up to a television (through the RF modulator) and watch little stick figures walk around on the screen. I played with it for a couple of weeks until my son (now 30 years old) decided it was a bank and dropped a penny into one of the ventilation slots. After that I also had a Radio Shack Trash 80. It was actually fairly advanced for it's time. Next came the IBM compatible model prior to the release of the 286. I have forgotten what it's nomenclature was - 8106 or 8196 or something like that. It could actually run the first flight simulator program - the airplane was a little cross flying over a basic map of the US. It's really amazing, when you think about it, to consider the advances made in the past 20 - 30 years. Eisboch Oh the good old days. I think the Trash 80 had a Z80 Motorola chip and the first IBM pc's had the Intel 8080. That was a long time ago or so it seems. Regards John S I would rather be boating! |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:42:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: I have never "owned" a Mac. As in the political stuff around here, I was at odds with the rest of the family, I was a die hard PC man from the git-go. My wife and kids all had Macs though. Still do. Damn school system. =================================== Don't blame the schools, blame Apple. They did a great job promoting themselves in schools with a carefully orchestrated marketing campaign. |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:32:53 -0500, Eisboch wrote:
Next came the IBM compatible model prior to the release of the 286. I have forgotten what it's nomenclature was - 8106 or 8196 or something like that. It could actually run the first flight simulator program - the airplane was a little cross flying over a basic map of the US. ========================== My recollection is that the first IBM PC used an 8088 chip. The basic model came with 2 floppy drives and was known as the IBM/PC. The upscale version had the same chip but included a 5 meg hard disk, later upgraded to 10 meg if my memory is correct. It was known as the XT. Several years later the 16 bit 8286 chip came along and was called the AT. All of the early PCs were dog slow by today's standards but they were pretty cool at the time and totally changed the landscape in most offices. |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:04:31 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:42:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I have never "owned" a Mac. As in the political stuff around here, I was at odds with the rest of the family, I was a die hard PC man from the git-go. My wife and kids all had Macs though. Still do. Damn school system. =================================== Don't blame the schools, blame Apple. They did a great job promoting themselves in schools with a carefully orchestrated marketing campaign. I'll blame anybody I damn well want to blame. :) Later, Tom |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:16:23 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:32:53 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Next came the IBM compatible model prior to the release of the 286. I have forgotten what it's nomenclature was - 8106 or 8196 or something like that. It could actually run the first flight simulator program - the airplane was a little cross flying over a basic map of the US. ========================== My recollection is that the first IBM PC used an 8088 chip. The basic model came with 2 floppy drives and was known as the IBM/PC. The upscale version had the same chip but included a 5 meg hard disk, later upgraded to 10 meg if my memory is correct. It was known as the XT. Several years later the 16 bit 8286 chip came along and was called the AT. All of the early PCs were dog slow by today's standards but they were pretty cool at the time and totally changed the landscape in most offices. You're right, now I remember. The first chip was the 8088. Thanks for jogging the old memory. Regards John S I would rather be boating! |
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Gene Kearns wrote: 1200 baud, indeed. I was one of the poor kids on the block using the 300 baud acoustical modem. Honey, don't pick up the phone, ok??? Oh, sh*t.... not again.... I had 1200 baud capability because I sprung for the latest and greatest CPU - a brand new shiny I-286 running Geoworks. (The original "windows" based software, before Microsoft came along) Eisboch I ran Autocad on a 286 with Geoworks! I remember saying to myself that this graphical interface stuff can't possibly make it, it uses to much ram to run that stuff, compared to DOS. I think I was wrong! |
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:54:42 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:10:54 -0500, JohnH wrote: Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the line of fire! John Herring ======================== Clean up your own act before you throw stones. Oh, you found an old one. You're right, a lot of cleaning up needed around here! John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:42:13 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 21:34:07 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Gene Kearns wrote: 1200 baud, indeed. I was one of the poor kids on the block using the 300 baud acoustical modem. Honey, don't pick up the phone, ok??? Oh, sh*t.... not again.... I had 1200 baud capability because I sprung for the latest and greatest CPU - a brand new shiny I-286 running Geoworks. (The original "windows" based software, before Microsoft came along) My very first computer was an Altair 8800 which the old S-100 bus. Later on I got a paper tape reader for it - KEWL!!!! Technically, I suppose the VERY VERY first computer I actually had was a logical switching circuit I built using transistors and diodes. :) My first "real" computer was a VIC-20. Now that was really cool - had a tape recorder for data/program storage and everything!!! Then it was a secession of Apples, the first really basic BBS I ran using my first XT with a 20 Mb drive and a 300 baud modem, up to a Spitfire BBS in the CT PC BBS system which connected through Yale University (through a three node hop) to ARPA net at a blazing 2400 baud, eventually becoming the Internet at a blazing 9600 baud, then three of us local types invested in direct line to UCONN's Internet server eventually selling that company and... Oh my god, my life is flashing before my eyes!!!!! :) I have never "owned" a Mac. As in the political stuff around here, I was at odds with the rest of the family, I was a die hard PC man from the git-go. My wife and kids all had Macs though. Still do. Damn school system. All the best, Tom -------------- "What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup... is there a computer terminal in the day room of some looney bin somewhere?" Bilgeman - circa 2004 Ten years ago, my school had mostly Macs. They got them for almost nothing.(the G7 I think). The teachers got them and the computer labs got them. The teachers put up a fuss, and the school bought some program to make a Mac run Windows and associated software, but not easily. Now there are no more Macs in the school. Most of the new stuff is made by Dell. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! |
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"Jonathan Smith" wrote in message news:igrjd.5042$V41.3641@attbi_s52...
"Harry Krause" piedtypecase@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ... Gene Kearns wrote: The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if they were using their real names. Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. Perhaps I need to out a few more. jps, basskisser, bb, johns, thunder and others might object to you "outing" them. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. That in itself makes your opinion worthless. Add to that your obvious bias, and you fall lower than that. |
Quartus quartus_a_brother@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote in message ...
Harry Krause wrote: Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing pussies do, though. If hanging your true identity out in cyberspace provides you with the belief that you are a "real man", your psychosis is much worse than originally believed. -- Charlie Please show what qualifications you have to be able to diagnose mental illness in ANYONE, let alone from what you read in usenet. |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:16:23 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:32:53 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Next came the IBM compatible model prior to the release of the 286. I have forgotten what it's nomenclature was - 8106 or 8196 or something like that. It could actually run the first flight simulator program - the airplane was a little cross flying over a basic map of the US. ========================== My recollection is that the first IBM PC used an 8088 chip. The basic model came with 2 floppy drives and was known as the IBM/PC. The upscale version had the same chip but included a 5 meg hard disk, later upgraded to 10 meg if my memory is correct. It was known as the XT. Several years later the 16 bit 8286 chip came along and was called the AT. All of the early PCs were dog slow by today's standards but they were pretty cool at the time and totally changed the landscape in most offices. You know, those older AT style computers were not that slow when running the applications of the time. It's funny just how much faster our CPU processing speed has become, while paradoxically the overhead of the typical inflated application has proportionately slowed us right back down again..... Dave |
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:56:54 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 07:32:53 -0500, Eisboch wrote: Next came the IBM compatible model prior to the release of the 286. I have forgotten what it's nomenclature was - 8106 or 8196 or something like that. It could actually run the first flight simulator program - the airplane was a little cross flying over a basic map of the US. ========================== My recollection is that the first IBM PC used an 8088 chip. The basic model came with 2 floppy drives and was known as the IBM/PC. The upscale version had the same chip but included a 5 meg hard disk, later upgraded to 10 meg if my memory is correct. It was known as the XT. Several years later the 16 bit 8286 chip came along and was called the AT. All of the early PCs were dog slow by today's standards but they were pretty cool at the time and totally changed the landscape in most offices. Almost right. I bought one of the first PCs in the DC area, from a store in McLean, Virginia. The 8088 was right, but the standard issue machine came with a tape recorder drive, not a floppy. But you could get a floppy, a 160 I believe, shortly after. I got one with the floppy. An additional floppy was some $400. Looked at a Mac at that time, but I thought it was overpriced then...just as I think Macs are overpriced now. And a numeric keyboard was an option on those first Macs. The original IBM PC predated the Mac by a few years. You might be thinking of the Lisa, the predecessor of the Mac. Dave |
You know, those older AT style computers were not that slow when
running the applications of the time. It's funny just how much faster our CPU processing speed has become, while paradoxically the overhead of the typical inflated application has proportionately slowed us right back down again..... Dave My wife ran a fairly large retail operation with online ordering, inventory, payroll and accounting, all on a 8086 4.77mz XT. It was lightning fast. We were only "computing" with our computer tho. No cartoon interface. The grove/gates philosophy is to create bloated software as fast as the hardware people can create a machine to run it. The funny thing is my old DOS apps run as fast on an XT as they do on a P4. Pretty much at the speed I can type and the screen can display. The ONLY thing that runs a tiny bit faster is a complicated dBase relational DB rollup and that has more to do with disk caching than anything else. |
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