On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 18:53:28 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:


I've had enough.... but I'm doing something about it.

I have set up a very small news server that is cleansing (at least on
my computer) rec.boats. Today, there have been fewer than 20 boating
related posts. A sad testamentary to the 200+ posts that were
expected a year or so ago....

Feel free to read my news server. Email me for a password, if you want
to post.

If your post is not on topic... even (just) your signature.... you
won't get through.

Don't complain about content anymore. You have an option.

See:
http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/newsg...xplanation.htm

Great idea Gene. Hope you get a lot of action over there. Why so many
pop-ups? (Just kidding!)

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Gene Kearns wrote:
The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them
can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if
they were using their real names.

Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing
pussies do, though.

Perhaps I need to out a few more.

jps, basskisser, bb, johns, thunder and others might object to you "outing"
them.

Harry Krause wrote:

Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing
pussies do, though.


If hanging your true identity out in cyberspace provides you with the
belief that you are a "real man", your psychosis is much worse than
originally believed.

-- Charlie

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:36:57 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them
can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if
they were using their real names.


Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political
postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head.

Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have
come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew
political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people
that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of
information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You
freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another
person's face.

This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had
*something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to
the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was
always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant,
incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer
volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an
incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to
try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a
final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface
your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your
crap, but that is why you came here, right?

So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right
or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly
everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names.
Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let
this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late?



I'd be delighted to see the non-boaters leave, even if they slam the
door behind them, and get this newsgroup back on topic, or at least on
pleasant topics.

OK Harry, show us the way. You be the role model. Drop your derogatory
signature line and do not respond to OT posts. Also, no OT posts by you
either.

Let us see if you can practice what you preach.



Regards
John S

Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too!

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 12:11:56 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:52:18 -0500, John S wrote:



OK Harry, show us the way. You be the role model. Drop your derogatory
signature line and do not respond to OT posts. Also, no OT posts by you
either.

Let us see if you can practice what you preach.



Regards
John S

Kerry shot his goose in Ohio and had it cooked there too!

This sort of thing is headed in the right direction. I'd like both of
you to:

-Drop your derogatory signature line
-not respond to OT posts
-and not post OT posts.

Both of you have contributed useful boating information in the
past.... can we get back to that?

Can both of you agree on a proper code of behavior to clean up
rec.boats? Can you stick by it? Can you encourage your respective
reference groups to do so?

It would certainly be a start in the right direction.

My signature line has been dropped.



Regards
John S

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them
can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if
they were using their real names.


Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political
postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head.

Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have
come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew
political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people
that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of
information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You
freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another
person's face.

This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had
*something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to
the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was
always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant,
incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer
volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an
incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to
try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a
final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface
your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your
crap, but that is why you came here, right?

So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right
or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly
everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names.
Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let
this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late?

Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema
would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the
line of fire!

John Herring

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:10:54 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them
can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if
they were using their real names.


Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political
postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head.

Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have
come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew
political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people
that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of
information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You
freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another
person's face.

This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had
*something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to
the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was
always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant,
incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer
volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an
incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to
try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a
final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface
your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your
crap, but that is why you came here, right?

So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right
or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly
everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names.
Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let
this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late?

Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema
would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the
line of fire!

John Herring

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Cyberspace is not necessarily a nice place and identity theft, phishing,
etc. are common practices.

In all of the newsgroups I subscribe to, people sometimes use their real
names (particularly if they have a commercial interest) while a pseudonym is
just as common.

Have a look at sci.geo.satellite-nav or sci.geo.cartography for example. Not
everyone uses their real name when making a post. It doesn't seem to bother
anybody there.

In point of fact, US-CERT Security Tips advises
you not to give out any personal information over the internet unless
absolutely required to complete a transaction and then only over a secured
connection with a party that you trust.

I'll stick with the recommendations of the Feds and not divulge personal
information.

The right to privacy and security is something I take very seriously.



Regards
John S

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 08:41:38 -0500, JohnH
wrote:

Great idea Gene. Hope you get a lot of action over there. Why so many
pop-ups? (Just kidding!)

John H


I sure hope you didn't see anything like that! I'm not logging
accesses and only require a password for posting to retain some sort
of control over misuse and amount of bandwidth usage.

My site is, obviously, not commercial.



I've love to see a site on receational boating where all posters had to
include their real name and ISP somewhere in the headers of their post.
I don't know what the problem is...even Karl Derringer, who is as far
out there as anyone, is not afraid to use his real name. It's not a
security issue...if it were, Karl, who knows about such things, would
hide behind the skirts of a made-up name.

The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them
can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if
they were using their real names.

Agreed.

Real men do not hide their identities on USENET. Mostly right-wing
pussies do, though.

Perhaps I need to out a few more.

Maybe you could out them all? :)

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 14:50:16 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Perhaps I need to out a few more.

Maybe you could out them all? :)

I might...You figure full name, address, telephone number would be enough?

No, actually, I was joking.

I really don't think that'd a good idea.

Later,

Tom

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:48:42 -0500, John S wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 13:10:54 -0500, JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 11:38:12 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 10:16:48 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:


The only real reason for these handles is so the assholes who use them
can "get away" with saying things they'd not have the balls to say if
they were using their real names.


Whatever you think of Harry or his politics or his volume of political
postings..... he certainly hit this one squarely on the head.

Whether far left or far right, you (and you know who you are) have
come here, cowardly hiding behind the mask of an assumed name to spew
political half-truths and invective in the midst of a group of people
that, two years ago, posted about 10 to 15 times the amount of
information, help, and boating fellowship than is evident, now. You
freely post things here you'd never have the courage to say to another
person's face.

This was a live, informative, and helpful resource which had
*something* to offer to everybody from the newbie wannabe boater to
the well-experienced old salt, but you ruined that. True, there was
always some OT posting that took place, but not this incessant,
incredibly prolific, idiotic, acerbic, political ranting. By sheer
volume of posts, you lowered the signal to noise ratio to such an
incredible low that it just wasn't worth the effort for most people to
try to hear the boating through all of the politics. They left. As a
final proof of you inconsideration of others, you refused to preface
your postings with [OT], thereby *forcing* everybody to read your
crap, but that is why you came here, right?

So, now that the election is over, your politics is either all right
or all wrong, but where does that leave rec.boats? You've run nearly
everybody else off. You'll soon tire of calling each other names.
Would you please just leave, then, chose another battleground, and let
this newsgroup recover, if it isn't already too late?

Gosh, I never realized the feeling was so deep. Harry, a good enema
would clear your mind. Try to get jps, b'asskisser, and bb out of the
line of fire!

John Herring

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

Cyberspace is not necessarily a nice place and identity theft, phishing,
etc. are common practices.

In all of the newsgroups I subscribe to, people sometimes use their real
names (particularly if they have a commercial interest) while a pseudonym is
just as common.

Have a look at sci.geo.satellite-nav or sci.geo.cartography for example. Not
everyone uses their real name when making a post. It doesn't seem to bother
anybody there.

In point of fact, US-CERT Security Tips advises
you not to give out any personal information over the internet unless
absolutely required to complete a transaction and then only over a secured
connection with a party that you trust.

I'll stick with the recommendations of the Feds and not divulge personal
information.

The right to privacy and security is something I take very seriously.



Regards
John S

Well, Harry has broadcast my last name so much that it probably
doesn't make any difference anyway. But, I think you may be correct
and will take it off my signature line again.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!