On 04 Nov 2004 16:32:02 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

This is probably not a good time to be a liberal.

Dave



The more extreme you guys become, the prouder I am to be a liberal. There has
never been a better time.


And that's the rub. WE are not the ones who are getting more extreme.
We're just now standing up for what we used to have and have slowly
lost.

Dave

Dave Hall wrote:
.... WE are not the ones who are getting more extreme.
We're just now standing up for what we used to have and have slowly
lost.

You mean like all the Constitutional rights that Ashcroft has given you?
Or the rosy economy that Bush & Cheney have brought in?

DSK

On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 07:18:04 -0500, DSK wrote:


You mean like all the Constitutional rights that Ashcroft has given you?
Or the rosy economy that Bush & Cheney have brought in?

Rumor has it that Ashcroft is out. Perhaps, Guiliani is in.

Rumor has it that Ashcroft is out.

I've heard that.

Is it still appropriate to stand while humming the Hallelujah Chorus?

And that's the rub. WE are not the ones who are getting more extreme.
We're just now standing up for what we used to have and have slowly
lost.

Dave

You lost it in the late 19th and early 20th Century, when America enacted
industrial safety regulations.

You lost it in the 1960's, when we finally
*really* acknowledged that minorities weren't merely 3/5 of a person.

You lost it in the 1970's, when we realized that there were social costs
involved with using the public waterways as industrial sewers for private
enterprise.

You're absolutely right.....er, correct. The America you long for existed once
upon a time. 48% of the people have no interest in seeing you recreate it our
kids to live their lives in.

On 05 Nov 2004 17:06:49 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

And that's the rub. WE are not the ones who are getting more extreme.
We're just now standing up for what we used to have and have slowly
lost.

Dave

You lost it in the late 19th and early 20th Century, when America enacted
industrial safety regulations.
You lost it in the 1960's, when we finally
*really* acknowledged that minorities weren't merely 3/5 of a person.

You lost it in the 1970's, when we realized that there were social costs
involved with using the public waterways as industrial sewers for private
enterprise.

You're absolutely right.....er, correct. The America you long for existed once
upon a time. 48% of the people have no interest in seeing you recreate it our
kids to live their lives in.


Wow, you really can spin with the best of them. None of those things
was what I was referring to, and I suspect you knew that.

Dave

Wow, you really can spin with the best of them. None of those things
was what I was referring to, and I suspect you knew that.

Dave



If we can just get every conservative a pair of those Normal Rockwell goggles
so you can all sit around and pretend its 1956, and if we can legalize cannabis
so enough of the liberals are too stoned to give a rip what you do, peace will
prevail on the American political scene. :-)

On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:44:25 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:


If we can just get every conservative a pair of those Normal Rockwell
goggles so you can all sit around and pretend its 1956, and if we can
legalize cannabis so enough of the liberals are too stoned to give a rip
what you do, peace will prevail on the American political scene. :-)

Oh yeah, '56 was a good year. Now if you had said '54, that was the year
McCarthy got his "mandate" with a 50% approval rating (Gallup). What a
difference two years can make!

On 08 Nov 2004 16:44:25 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Wow, you really can spin with the best of them. None of those things
was what I was referring to, and I suspect you knew that.

Dave



If we can just get every conservative a pair of those Normal Rockwell goggles
so you can all sit around and pretend its 1956, and if we can legalize cannabis
so enough of the liberals are too stoned to give a rip what you do, peace will
prevail on the American political scene. :-)

The late 50's were a good time for most Americans. Life was simpler,
the government was smaller, and we didn't have a bunch of people
protesting every little thing they didn't personally agree with.

People had respect rather than contempt for other people's opinions.

The term "Majority rule" actually carried some weight.

People pulled their own weight, and were actually ashamed when they
couldn't for even a short time.

Families and small communities rallied around the needy and took care
of those who were temporarily down on their luck.

The majority of people celebrated the "Christmas" season for the month
of December. Decorations adorned most towns, and Christmas music
blared out of radio speakers. Those who didn't celebrate Christmas
took it on the chin and went with the flow.

Despite the 1st amendment's call for a separation of church and state,
we still swore an oath on the bible in court or during any "official"
ceremony. We printed "In God We trust" on our money, we hung the 10
commandments on our judicial buildings. And for whatever reason, no
one thought to complain.

One could watch the Cleveland Indians, or the Washington Redskins and
not have to worry if your team would get forced to change its name
because someone was "offended" by the name.

You could watch TV without having to worry if your children would be
exposed to graphic violence or gratuitous sex. Somehow the writers of
those same TV shows could produce some really good shows without
having to resort to such carnal attractions.

You could work hard in school, graduate with honors, and be assured of
a decent job, without the worry that you might get turned away due to
"quota filling".

The term "gay" meant happy. Aids were people who worked in the
library.

The term politically correct wasn't in anyone's vernacular.


I'm sure If I really wanted to, I could come up with a bunch more.

Dave

I'm sure If I really wanted to, I could come up with a bunch more.

Dave



But they would all say the same thing: Certain groups were granted extra-legal
privilege and status merely because they were more numerous and that was the
way it had *always* been done.