Breaking All the Sprouls

Voter Outreach of America – a front group run by Republican operative
Nathan Sproul and financed with more than $600,000 from the RNC –
hired Tyrone Mrasek to register voters. The LA Times reports, Mrasek
"was given a written script to ask people whether they favored Bush or
Sen. John F. Kerry. To those favoring the Massachusetts senator,
Mrasek replied that he was just taking a poll and thanked them for
stopping." He was told to offer registrations to people who favored
Bush and tell them "George Bush really needs your help this election."
There was a backup plan for anyone who inadvertently signed up a
Democrat: outside Sproul's office Mrasek "found a stack of signed
registrations for Democratic voters in a trash can." Similar stories
of partisan dirty tricks by Sproul have been documented in Oregon,
West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

LEAVE NO REPUBLICAN OPERATIVE BEHIND: Nathan Sproul doesn't just
collect money from the RNC for running voter registration scams. As a
director for Voyager Expanded Learning, he receives buckets of cash
for selling the "Voyager reading curriculum" to schools attempting to
comply with the No Child Left Behind Act.

SPROUL'S COMPANY USES CONNECTION TO BUSH TO GET CONTRACTS: The Public
Advocate of the City of New York accused Voyager of using "politics to
gain contracts," including close ties to Bush and Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld. The Public Advocate notes, "as Texas Governor, George
W. Bush pushed a proposal giving $25 million in state money to after
school programs that would aid Voyager, which had contributed more
than $45,000 to Bush and over $20,000 to Bush's lieutenant governor
running mate."

SPROUL'S COMPANY MANIPULATES RESEARCH TO PUSH PRODUCT: There is
controversy on the effectiveness of the Voyager reading curriculum.
Most of the research that does exist has been conducted by people with
"connections to, or financial interest in, the company." The research
is described by university scholars who specialize in reading
curriculum as "flimsy and unscientific."

ED DEPARTMENT PRESSURES SCHOOLS TO HIRE SPROUL'S COMPANY: Many
education experts believe "the research used to justify Voyager's
claims to success were unscientific and produced very little results."
Nevertheless "the U.S Education Department led applicants for federal
reading funds to believe that approval of their application would be
speeded up if they indicated a preference for particular commercial
programs, including Voyager."

Why should Republicans try to register those who plan to vote for
Kerry?

Nobody, Demo or Repub, should accept a voter registration from somebody and
then
fail to turn it in. It's a lie of commission.

"Thank you, Mr. (opposite party) Supporter. You will be registered to vote in
the upcoming presidential election. Be sure to show up at your neighborhood
polling place and do your patriotic duty."

Any f**ker accepting and then throwing away registrations simply because they
don't happen to favor his or her personally preferred party should be deported
to some country where there is no democracy. They have abdicated their right to
live under such a system here.

If the Repubs want to refuse to register people who want to vote for Kerry,
then fine. Openly refuse. Don't trick them into thinking they have registered
to vote and then throw out the registration.

The fact that you see nothing wrong with the practice substantiates some of the
worst rumors about those who support the Bush candidacy. You ought to be
ashamed. Unfortunately, you guys are more likely to be laughing, scratching,
high-fivin' and applauding a scheme where you run a "voter registration" drive
and then throw out the registrations from all except Republicans.

Democracy be damned, win at any cost. Right? :-(

Read my lips, or rather, my post. I don't think I said anything about
throwing away registrations. Did I?

In response to the report of an incident where a Repbulican operative set up a
voter registration booth, allowed people to register, (or believe they had
registered), and then discarded all the applications for registration that did
not have "Republican" checked as political preference, you said:

Why should Republicans try to register those who plan to vote for
Kerry?

Did you not?

Is somebody faking your handle, just like HK's?

If not, then you were certainly willing to overlook the practice, if not
actually excusing or condoning it.

To directly answer your question:

Why should Republicans try to register those who plan to vote for
Kerry?

It's because the election process and the government of this country is more
important than the temporary election to office of one partisan over another.
It's because when you look a fellow American in the eye and tell him you are
registering him or her as a voter, you have a moral obligation to do just
exactly that- whether they seem likely to agree with your personal politics or
not.

Registrars are a deputized extension of the government itself.

Imagine your house catches fire. You call the fire station. The dispatcher
asks, "For whom did you vote in the last election?" and you answer "George
Bush."

"I'm terrribly sorry, Mr. Herring, but the majority of our firefighters here
supported President Kerry last November. Let me give you the number of a fire
station that's only about another ten or fifteen miles away, I understand that
they are more of a Republican fire crew and they will probably agree to roll an
engine out to your fire and save what's left of your house when they finally
get there."

Would you find that acceptable?

It's no more acceptable to perform the government service of registering
voters, and then secretly subvert the processing of registrations for voters
with different political preference.

If a registration was accepted and then discarded because the 'wrong'
block was checked, then he who chucked the registrations should be
hung by his balls. Amen.

We agree.

On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with a Republican asking first,
and then offering to help only those who say they will vote for Bush.
Ditto for Democrats.

We agree that if someone is going to refuse to register somebody to vote, the
refusal should be open. At least the party trying to register will be aware
that he or she is *not* registered to vote and will seek registration
elsewhere.

I'm not sure we agree that it's wise to turn down a registration, even openly.
If I were registering to vote and somebody refused my registration because of a
difference in political party, it would certainly inspire me to be even more
suspect of that party in the future.

Harry, you need an editor.

The second paragraph was totally superflous. You would have been ahead to quit
after the first.

I'll be working the election Tuesday. My goal is to get anyone who shows
up to vote into the polls so he or she can vote. If some old lady on
crutches walks up wearing a Bush button, I will gladly and carefully
help her to the door so she can exercise her vote.

But, then, you're just conservative scum. And a drunk.

In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:


JohnH wrote:


On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with a Republican asking first,
and then offering to help only those who say they will vote for Bush.
Ditto for Democrats.

John H


I'll be working the election Tuesday. My goal is to get anyone who shows
up to vote into the polls so he or she can vote.

Even if they're a felon, an illegal alien, or have already voted somewhere
else (or just 5 minutes before), right?

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In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:


Karl Denninger wrote:
In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:


JohnH wrote:


On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with a Republican asking first,
and then offering to help only those who say they will vote for Bush.
Ditto for Democrats.

John H


I'll be working the election Tuesday. My goal is to get anyone who shows
up to vote into the polls so he or she can vote.

Even if they're a felon, an illegal alien, or have already voted somewhere
else (or just 5 minutes before), right?

--

If they're on the rolls, they're on the rolls. If they're not, they can,
vote a protest ballot. Your Secretary of State's office is run by
criminals who deny perfectly legit voters their rights.

Accusing someone of a felony is a serious matter.

I suppose you have proof of this allegation, right?

(Hint: you alleged this last time too, but when challenged your folks
couldn't produce ONE person who claimed to actually have been
disenfranchised)

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In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:


Karl Denninger wrote:
Accusing someone of a felony is a serious matter.

I suppose you have proof of this allegation, right?

(Hint: you alleged this last time too, but when challenged your folks
couldn't produce ONE person who claimed to actually have been
disenfranchised)

--

Tell the assholes in the Florida secretary of state's office to sue me.
Go ahead. The Je Bush-run secretary of state's office is engaged in
election stealing, big time. That's a felony.

Right out of the Democratic Party playbook.

"If no fraud or intimidation exists, allege that it does anyway."

Yep.... that really was printed in there. Photocopies of the page are all
over the net now.... Gotta love those JPEGs.

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Karl Denninger wrote:
In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:


Karl Denninger wrote:
In article ,
Harry Krause wrote:


JohnH wrote:


On the other hand, I see nothing wrong with a Republican asking
first,
and then offering to help only those who say they will vote for Bush.
Ditto for Democrats.

John H


I'll be working the election Tuesday. My goal is to get anyone who
shows
up to vote into the polls so he or she can vote.

Even if they're a felon, an illegal alien, or have already voted
somewhere
else (or just 5 minutes before), right?

--

If they're on the rolls, they're on the rolls. If they're not, they can,
vote a protest ballot. Your Secretary of State's office is run by
criminals who deny perfectly legit voters their rights.

Accusing someone of a felony is a serious matter.

I suppose you have proof of this allegation, right?

(Hint: you alleged this last time too, but when challenged your folks
couldn't produce ONE person who claimed to actually have been
disenfranchised)

--

Tell the assholes in the Florida secretary of state's office to sue me.
Go ahead. The Je Bush-run secretary of state's office is engaged in
election stealing, big time. That's a felony.


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