On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:13:46 -0400, Eisboch
wrote:
My boat is in a protected section of the marina with floating docks and
finger piers. The marina staff installs bubblers on the pilings that
locate the end of the finger piers.

The marina stays open all winter with a management and mechanic staff.

Has anyone done this (in the cold winters of Cape Cod)? Any bad
experiences?
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I left my Bertram in one winter when I was still living in the NYC
burbs but it was close to the house where I could check on it whenever
necessary. The pros are that it is easier to put the boat back in
commission in the spring and easier to work on over the winter if you
have projects to be done. On the con side are the obvious risks of
winter storms and ice damage. I also found that trying to extend the
life of the bottom paint to a second season is risky because I ended
up with a lot of fouling in and around water intakes which lead to
some cooling issues and premature pump replacement. Assuming you
leave the canvas up, that also experiences a lot more wear and tear.

If you are living on the boat I'd give it a yes, otherwise it's a
definite maybe. In your case of not being around to check on it, I'd
vote no.

What issues did you have with taking the boat south? We are
considering the winter/summer commute with our new trawler.

Wayne.B wrote:


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I left my Bertram in one winter when I was still living in the NYC
burbs but it was close to the house where I could check on it whenever
necessary. The pros are that it is easier to put the boat back in
commission in the spring and easier to work on over the winter if you
have projects to be done. On the con side are the obvious risks of
winter storms and ice damage. I also found that trying to extend the
life of the bottom paint to a second season is risky because I ended
up with a lot of fouling in and around water intakes which lead to
some cooling issues and premature pump replacement. Assuming you
leave the canvas up, that also experiences a lot more wear and tear.

If you are living on the boat I'd give it a yes, otherwise it's a
definite maybe. In your case of not being around to check on it, I'd
vote no.

What issues did you have with taking the boat south? We are
considering the winter/summer commute with our new trawler.


Thanks for your advise. It was fleeting brain fart anyway.

Regarding taking the boat south - when I made the trip it was my first
time and I was also relatively new to a larger boat. Although I thought
I had researched and prepared myself for the ICW, I was surprised that
it was not, in many places, what I expected. Where allowed, there is
something unnerving about piloting a 42000 lb boat at 19 knots in six
feet of water, and in a channel that is only twice as wide as the boat's
beam to boot. It was interesting watching boats ahead of me screw up and
run aground - until it was my turn.

We traveled about 60 percent of the 1500 mile trip offshore and 40
percent via the ICW. Next time I am going offshore as much as possible
with the exception of the Cape Hatteras area.

For the seasoned boat captains who do it all the time, the trip is duck
soup. For me it was very rewarding to accomplish, but much more
challenging and nerve-racking than I was prepared for. The next trip
should be easier.

Great thing to do. Go for it!

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

Regarding taking the boat south - when I made the trip it was my first
time and I was also relatively new to a larger boat. Although I thought
I had researched and prepared myself for the ICW, I was surprised that
it was not, in many places, what I expected. Where allowed, there is
something unnerving about piloting a 42000 lb boat at 19 knots in six
feet of water, and in a channel that is only twice as wide as the boat's
beam to boot. It was interesting watching boats ahead of me screw up and
run aground - until it was my turn.

We traveled about 60 percent of the 1500 mile trip offshore and 40
percent via the ICW. Next time I am going offshore as much as possible
with the exception of the Cape Hatteras area.

For the seasoned boat captains who do it all the time, the trip is duck
soup. For me it was very rewarding to accomplish, but much more
challenging and nerve-racking than I was prepared for. The next trip
should be easier.

Great thing to do. Go for it!

Eisboch



My favorite spots for watching snowbirds run soft aground in the ICW
were between the St. Mary's River and the St. Johns River near
Jacksonville (great fishing in the creeks there off the ICW -which is
why I was there), and just south of the new AIA bridge in St. Augustine,
where a nice sandbar lurks right next to the channel.



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Jesus was the ultimate liberal progressive revolutionary of all history.
The conservative religious and social structure that he defied hated and
crucified him. They examined His life and did not like what they saw. He
aligned himself with the poor and the oppressed. He challenged the
religious orthodoxy of his day. He advocated pacifism and loving our
enemies. He liberated women and minorities from oppression. He healed on
the Sabbath and forgave adulterers and prostitutes. He associated with
drunks and other social outcasts. He rebuked the religious right of his
day because they embraced the letter of the law instead of the Spirit.
He loved sinners and called them to himself. Jesus was the original
Liberal. He was a progressive, and he was judged and hated for it. It
was the self-righteous religionists that he rebuked and he called them
hypocrites.

The primary issues of Christian Liberalism were birthed when Jesus spoke
the profoundly prophetic words found in Matthew 25: 31-46. These
scriptures reveal God's heart for the poor, the sick and other neglected
people through out history. Christians should read this text and judge
for themselves which of the two groups mentioned there more accurately
reflect the political parties of today. His Liberalism lives on today
and the issues have not changed much.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

Regarding taking the boat south - when I made the trip it was my first
time and I was also relatively new to a larger boat. Although I thought
I had researched and prepared myself for the ICW, I was surprised that
it was not, in many places, what I expected. Where allowed, there is
something unnerving about piloting a 42000 lb boat at 19 knots in six
feet of water, and in a channel that is only twice as wide as the boat's
beam to boot. It was interesting watching boats ahead of me screw up and
run aground - until it was my turn.

We traveled about 60 percent of the 1500 mile trip offshore and 40
percent via the ICW. Next time I am going offshore as much as possible
with the exception of the Cape Hatteras area.

For the seasoned boat captains who do it all the time, the trip is duck
soup. For me it was very rewarding to accomplish, but much more
challenging and nerve-racking than I was prepared for. The next trip
should be easier.

Great thing to do. Go for it!

Eisboch



My favorite spots for watching snowbirds run soft aground in the ICW
were between the St. Mary's River and the St. Johns River near
Jacksonville (great fishing in the creeks there off the ICW -which is
why I was there), and just south of the new AIA bridge in St. Augustine,
where a nice sandbar lurks right next to the channel.


It figures you would take pleasure in watching someone run aground rather
than warn them of the hazard so they don't.

That summarizes the type of person you are Harry.

Harry Krause wrote:



My favorite spots for watching snowbirds run soft aground in the ICW
were between the St. Mary's River and the St. Johns River near
Jacksonville (great fishing in the creeks there off the ICW -which is
why I was there), and just south of the new AIA bridge in St. Augustine,
where a nice sandbar lurks right next to the channel.




I really like the St. Augustine area. We stayed overnight and had dinner
at the Conch House Marina.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:



My favorite spots for watching snowbirds run soft aground in the ICW
were between the St. Mary's River and the St. Johns River near
Jacksonville (great fishing in the creeks there off the ICW -which is
why I was there), and just south of the new AIA bridge in St. Augustine,
where a nice sandbar lurks right next to the channel.




I really like the St. Augustine area. We stayed overnight and had dinner
at the Conch House Marina.

Eisboch



Aha...one of our favorite spots, too. Nice restaurant, first-class
marina. The conch comes in from the Carib, by the way. Great place to
fish, too. One chilly winter day, my wife and I stopped there for lunch,
and she thought she'd try her luck casting a live shrimp under the dock
closest to the restaurant. She ended up catching three flounder right
there, to the amazement of the lunchtime diners. The rocky point on the
left just as you enter Salt Run is a great fishing spot, and, of course,
so is the St. Augustine inlet right there.

The best restaurant in the Jax area is Marker 32, just off the ICW at
Beach Boulevard. There are some marinas within walking distance and it
is worth the stop. You need reservations.

There's also the Columbia Restaurant in old St. Augustine. It is located
in a Spanish colonial building. The food is good, not terrific, but the
walk through old town, St. Augustine, is worth a day trip. Avoid the
restaurants by the city pier in St. Augustine, though...tourist traps.




--
Jesus was the ultimate liberal progressive revolutionary of all history.
The conservative religious and social structure that he defied hated and
crucified him. They examined His life and did not like what they saw. He
aligned himself with the poor and the oppressed. He challenged the
religious orthodoxy of his day. He advocated pacifism and loving our
enemies. He liberated women and minorities from oppression. He healed on
the Sabbath and forgave adulterers and prostitutes. He associated with
drunks and other social outcasts. He rebuked the religious right of his
day because they embraced the letter of the law instead of the Spirit.
He loved sinners and called them to himself. Jesus was the original
Liberal. He was a progressive, and he was judged and hated for it. It
was the self-righteous religionists that he rebuked and he called them
hypocrites.

The primary issues of Christian Liberalism were birthed when Jesus spoke
the profoundly prophetic words found in Matthew 25: 31-46. These
scriptures reveal God's heart for the poor, the sick and other neglected
people through out history. Christians should read this text and judge
for themselves which of the two groups mentioned there more accurately
reflect the political parties of today. His Liberalism lives on today
and the issues have not changed much.

In article ,
Eisboch wrote:


Wayne.B wrote:


================================================== =
I left my Bertram in one winter when I was still living in the NYC
burbs but it was close to the house where I could check on it whenever
necessary. The pros are that it is easier to put the boat back in
commission in the spring and easier to work on over the winter if you
have projects to be done. On the con side are the obvious risks of
winter storms and ice damage. I also found that trying to extend the
life of the bottom paint to a second season is risky because I ended
up with a lot of fouling in and around water intakes which lead to
some cooling issues and premature pump replacement. Assuming you
leave the canvas up, that also experiences a lot more wear and tear.

If you are living on the boat I'd give it a yes, otherwise it's a
definite maybe. In your case of not being around to check on it, I'd
vote no.

What issues did you have with taking the boat south? We are
considering the winter/summer commute with our new trawler.


Thanks for your advise. It was fleeting brain fart anyway.

Regarding taking the boat south - when I made the trip it was my first
time and I was also relatively new to a larger boat. Although I thought
I had researched and prepared myself for the ICW, I was surprised that
it was not, in many places, what I expected. Where allowed, there is
something unnerving about piloting a 42000 lb boat at 19 knots in six
feet of water, and in a channel that is only twice as wide as the boat's
beam to boot. It was interesting watching boats ahead of me screw up and
run aground - until it was my turn.

We traveled about 60 percent of the 1500 mile trip offshore and 40
percent via the ICW. Next time I am going offshore as much as possible
with the exception of the Cape Hatteras area.

For the seasoned boat captains who do it all the time, the trip is duck
soup. For me it was very rewarding to accomplish, but much more
challenging and nerve-racking than I was prepared for. The next trip
should be easier.

Great thing to do. Go for it!

Eisboch

I've made a couple of long runs where there was a ditch, and unless I've got
a good reason to stay in it (like weather), I go outside.

Much prettier, for one thing.

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:52:11 GMT, (Karl
Denninger) wrote:

For the seasoned boat captains who do it all the time, the trip is duck
soup. For me it was very rewarding to accomplish, but much more
challenging and nerve-racking than I was prepared for. The next trip
should be easier.

===========================

Thanks. Any particular ICW guides that you'd recommend (or not) ?

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:20:47 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:52:11 GMT, Eisboch wrote:

For the seasoned boat captains who do it all the time, the trip is duck
soup. For me it was very rewarding to accomplish, but much more
challenging and nerve-racking than I was prepared for. The next trip
should be easier.

===========================

Thanks. Any particular ICW guides that you'd recommend (or not) ?

================

Sorry about the incorrect attribution.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:52:11 GMT, (Karl
Denninger) wrote:


For the seasoned boat captains who do it all the time, the trip is duck
soup. For me it was very rewarding to accomplish, but much more
challenging and nerve-racking than I was prepared for. The next trip
should be easier.


===========================

Thanks. Any particular ICW guides that you'd recommend (or not) ?


The one I used was the ICW Maptech Embassy Guide and had listings,
facility details and phone numbers for all the marinas along the way.
It also has a bunch of useful tips on areas to watch out for or avoid
plus information on the various bridges and locks.



Eisboch