OT : That Dog Don't Hunt
 

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

The lesson of this election cycle is that there are no facts. If
someone wants to write a book that makes false charges, if the false
charges serve a purpose, they will be spread further.

No one, except for Jon Stewart and "The Daily Show" will speak the truth.

Sad that we have to look to Comedy Central for the truth.
thunder wrote:
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm


Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

thunder wrote in message ...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

NRA, what a wonderful organization. They want every weapon, including
assault weapons, to be legal. No one associated with the NRA will come
to grips with the fact that in almost all crimes committed with a
firearm, the perpetrator has either borrowed or taken the gun from
someone he knew, like a law abiding relative.

On 18 Oct 2004 04:54:53 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

thunder wrote in message ...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

NRA, what a wonderful organization. They want every weapon, including
assault weapons, to be legal. No one associated with the NRA will come
to grips with the fact that in almost all crimes committed with a
firearm, the perpetrator has either borrowed or taken the gun from
someone he knew, like a law abiding relative.

Ummmm.....really?

If you are going to make a statement like this, then you need to back
it up.

Later,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 18 Oct 2004 04:54:53 -0700, atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a (basskisser) wrote:

thunder wrote in message ...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

NRA, what a wonderful organization. They want every weapon, including
assault weapons, to be legal. No one associated with the NRA will come
to grips with the fact that in almost all crimes committed with a
firearm, the perpetrator has either borrowed or taken the gun from
someone he knew, like a law abiding relative.

Ummmm.....really?

If you are going to make a statement like this, then you need to back
it up.

Later,

Tom

Ummmm, YES, really. Very easily found on the Bureau of Justice
website:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

which, in part states:
Offenders

According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those
possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%

If there is anything else I can help you with, feel free to ask.

On 18 Oct 2004 13:23:18 -0700, (basskisser) wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote in message . ..
On 18 Oct 2004 04:54:53 -0700, atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a (basskisser) wrote:

thunder wrote in message ...
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

NRA, what a wonderful organization. They want every weapon, including
assault weapons, to be legal. No one associated with the NRA will come
to grips with the fact that in almost all crimes committed with a
firearm, the perpetrator has either borrowed or taken the gun from
someone he knew, like a law abiding relative.

Ummmm.....really?

If you are going to make a statement like this, then you need to back
it up.

Ummmm, YES, really. Very easily found on the Bureau of Justice
website:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

which, in part states:
Offenders

According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those
possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%

If there is anything else I can help you with, feel free to ask.

1 - So what part of the 80% is family and friends?

5%, 10%, 20% - can't be 80%

How about I just take a wild guess here and say less than 15% of that
80% were from family and friends.

2 - And how many of these guns were used in a crime.

5%, 10%, 20% - can't be 80%.

I'd bet that it's probably around - oh, 57% give or take a little.

So, what do you "guess"?

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

All the best,

Tom

They're also good on the grill, if you marinate them overnight in an olive
oil/garlic/thyme/black pepper dressing. If the dog's owner objects, offer to
let them join the dog for a "spin" (on the rotisserie).

Disgusting creatures. The dogs are, too.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:24:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other "facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

They're also good on the grill, if you marinate them overnight in an olive
oil/garlic/thyme/black pepper dressing. If the dog's owner objects, offer to
let them join the dog for a "spin" (on the rotisserie).

Disgusting creatures. The dogs are, too.

Do you mean poodles or dogs in general?

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:24:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other
"facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

They're also good on the grill, if you marinate them overnight in an
olive
oil/garlic/thyme/black pepper dressing. If the dog's owner objects, offer
to
let them join the dog for a "spin" (on the rotisserie).

Disgusting creatures. The dogs are, too.

Do you mean poodles or dogs in general?

Dogs. All of them. And about 82% of their owners. This is based on
discussions with a number of them in my new neighborhood. Example:

Me: Pardon me....could you please NOT let your dog stop on my lawn in the
future?
Them: Why?

Why??? Why? Because it's my friggin' lawn and I asked politely. Why, indeed.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:47:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:24:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other
"facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

They're also good on the grill, if you marinate them overnight in an
olive
oil/garlic/thyme/black pepper dressing. If the dog's owner objects, offer
to
let them join the dog for a "spin" (on the rotisserie).

Disgusting creatures. The dogs are, too.

Do you mean poodles or dogs in general?

Dogs. All of them. And about 82% of their owners. This is based on
discussions with a number of them in my new neighborhood. Example:

Me: Pardon me....could you please NOT let your dog stop on my lawn in the
future?
Them: Why?

Why??? Why? Because it's my friggin' lawn and I asked politely. Why, indeed.

LOL!!!

Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

I have been a dog owner and trainer for most of my life. I did it on
the farm growing up with Border Collies, brought two of them east
with me when we moved to NE, handled and trained them when I was in
the service and have two Border's now.

I love dogs.

Later,

Tom

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:47:02 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:24:00 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in
message
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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:37:50 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:10:58 +0000, WaIIy wrote:


This is perfect...

http://www.nrapvf.org/media/pdf/doghunt.htm

Geez guy, that dog was bread for hunting. I wonder if the other
"facts"
are as accurate.

Poodles have, and still do have in fact, a great reputation as a
water
dog and retriever. You just don't see a lot of them doing it.

http://www.poodle-place.com/poodlehist.htm

They're also good on the grill, if you marinate them overnight in an
olive
oil/garlic/thyme/black pepper dressing. If the dog's owner objects,
offer
to
let them join the dog for a "spin" (on the rotisserie).

Disgusting creatures. The dogs are, too.

Do you mean poodles or dogs in general?

Dogs. All of them. And about 82% of their owners. This is based on
discussions with a number of them in my new neighborhood. Example:

Me: Pardon me....could you please NOT let your dog stop on my lawn in the
future?
Them: Why?

Why??? Why? Because it's my friggin' lawn and I asked politely. Why,
indeed.

LOL!!!

Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

I have been a dog owner and trainer for most of my life. I did it on
the farm growing up with Border Collies, brought two of them east
with me when we moved to NE, handled and trained them when I was in
the service and have two Border's now.

I love dogs.

Well....they're more interesting than paper targets, I guess.

My ex-wife's cousin had a border collie. The cousin was one of those dog
owners who allow themselves to be brainwashed by their pet, so they believe
the dog can do no wrong. Cousin would leash the dog outside when it needed
to take a crap. Unfortunately, the spot she leashed it in was in the front
of the house where the beast could see guests coming, and the leash was long
enough to reach the front porch and the entire sidewalk from the driveway to
the porch. She (the dog) would get so excited when guests arrived that she
didn't realize she was stepping in her own crap. When the guests would come
to the door, she'd jump on them. What a treat: Come to dinner and have the
front of your clothes smell like dog crap the whole time. On my 3rd visit,
the dog was there, ready to perfume us. I dropped off my wife and went down
the road to a diner. That made for pleasant conversation when I picked her
up later. "You can't just vanish when my family invites us over!" "Oh? Some
people in your family are normal. This one's a blankety-blank hillbilly!"

On the next visit, the cousin promised to make sure the dog was indoors and
clean when we arrived. I had come straight from work wearing a nice, new
Hickey-Freeman suit. Inside, the dog came out of nowhere, jumped on the left
side of the jacket, got her claws stuck on the pocket, and tore most of the
left front of the jacket off. I kneed the dog in the throat, but it
continued pouncing and yapping, as border collies do. The cousin's first
comment: "Oh look how excited Jackie is to see you!" We were not rolling in
money at the time, but I needed to look really good at work. My wife finally
got on board at that moment and said "Wow! We'll be really excited when you
write us a check for the suit!" She and the cousin didn't speak for two
years afterward. HF was able to replace the jacket alone, since the
factory's right here in Rochester, so we gave her back some of the money.

Let's see....what else? Oh...yeah. Had a neighbor whose dog left its yard
constantly, and came to dig in my vegetable garden. When confronted, the
neighbor pointed out that the dog got off its "cord" and she didn't know
what to do about it. The "cord" was about the size of the red & white string
bakeries use to tie cake boxes.

Pass the marinade!

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
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Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

DSK


Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of the
grill. Woof. Woof. Pass the hot sauce!

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:20:08 -0400, DSK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

Agrarians - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

As stated, I have a life long relationship with dogs and at one point
was seriously thinking of going into anthropology just to study the
domestication of canines and how they affected early civilization.
When I found out that a great deal of work had been done, I became an
engineer. :)

It's a fascinating subject though and worthy of discussion at some
point when the election is over. :)

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:14:06 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of the
grill. Woof. Woof. Pass the hot sauce!

I can't cook. Never have been able to. I don't have the patience for
it. In fact, I'm a vegetarian of sorts. I don't eat meat for
instance, but I can, and often do, eat soups made with beef/chicken
stock - there is a point where vegetarianism becomes a religion and I
don't partake.

All the best,

Tom
--------------

"What the hell's the deal with this newsgroup...
is there a computer terminal in the day room of
some looney bin somewhere?"

Bilgeman - circa 2004

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:20:08 -0400, DSK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Ah, well it's not the dogs fault - it's the owner's fault. Dogs only
do what their masters allow them to do.

That's true. But you see, Doug missed out on that step of the civilizing
process. He's got agriculture down, but domestication of animals...
still working on it.

Agrarians - can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

As stated, I have a life long relationship with dogs and at one point
was seriously thinking of going into anthropology just to study the
domestication of canines and how they affected early civilization.
When I found out that a great deal of work had been done, I became an
engineer. :)

I'm reading an interesting book called "The Botany of Desire". The author
raises the interesting question "Who's wagging whom?" We think we
domesticate or refine animals & plants, but it may be the other way around.
He mentions dogs as the obvious example, but the book specifically focuses
on apples, tulips, potatoes and marijuana. The tulip issue is particularly
interesting if you think not of the flowers themselves, but of the virus
which causes the most interesting color streaks in the petals. Those streaks
are what caused the Dutch to go bananas in the early 1600s, speculating on
tulips until people lost their homes and their life savings. Was the virus
leading humans around by the nose? It didn't hurt the tulips, but it got
lots of people to cultivate them, just to see if they'd get a color pattern
that would make them rich next season.

I extend the analogy to dogs. "You're so cute and fuzzy! So what if you'll
only crap when you're off our property and on someone else's! I love being a
sociopath and helping you do that, even if it costs my neighbors hundreds of
dollars to clean their carpets!"

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:01:18 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

I'm reading an interesting book called "The Botany of Desire". The author
raises the interesting question "Who's wagging whom?" We think we
domesticate or refine animals & plants, but it may be the other way around.
He mentions dogs as the obvious example, but the book specifically focuses
on apples, tulips, potatoes and marijuana. The tulip issue is particularly
interesting if you think not of the flowers themselves, but of the virus
which causes the most interesting color streaks in the petals. Those streaks
are what caused the Dutch to go bananas in the early 1600s, speculating on
tulips until people lost their homes and their life savings. Was the virus
leading humans around by the nose? It didn't hurt the tulips, but it got
lots of people to cultivate them, just to see if they'd get a color pattern
that would make them rich next season.

I'm familiar with this concept. One of my children has some skill in
the area of orchids and believes much the same about orchid
propagation. She is an osteopath with a sub specialty so the
intellectual curiosity is very obviously present.

I extend the analogy to dogs. "You're so cute and fuzzy! So what if you'll
only crap when you're off our property and on someone else's! I love being a
sociopath and helping you do that, even if it costs my neighbors hundreds of
dollars to clean their carpets!"

Well, that's an ownership problem. It's my opinion that people who
contemplate owning a dog, must prove they are worthy of owning a dog.
I also feel the same way about kids - you have to prove you are worthy
to have a child. I mean I had to do it and did four times in fact.
Why shouldn't others?

The problem with dogs is that they have been bred beyond their
original purpose. Dogs like the Papillon are bred as companion
animals and do very well in that role. They aren't real dogs however.

Dogs are man's helpmate. My experience with war dogs and my own bunch
of mad crazy insane Border Collies are a great experience. Give you
a 'fer instance - My youngest Border Skye hired herself out as a stock
dog once. I say hired herself out because one of my neighbors is a
dairy farmer and his herd got out of the pasture and was raiding the
corn field I rent out. Skye, for some reason unknowable to anyone,
saw it and took it on herself to put the cows back into the place
where she always saw them on our walks around my property.

That is one smart dog.

She has a great reputation - if one of the local farmers has their
heifers get out, they will call and I'll send Skye - "Sky, go to
Farmer Jim" and she's off through the woods. Farmer Dave - off across
the lake. She helps out rounding up the cows, then the guys call me
and I come and get her - all tuckered out and happy as the proverbial
pig. My youngest dog, Skippy, is taking up where Skye is leaving off.

Give you another 'fer instance.

My big guy, Duke, is blind. I never knew it until he was five years
old. Honest.

So the difference between your neighbors and my dogs is intelligence
and constant training. They stay in the yard, no leash, under
constant command and control.

In your case, blame the owner, not the dog. :)

Later,

Tom
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"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

Doug Kanter wrote:
Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of the
grill.

That's about how I feel about cats.

Now for a subject closer to on-topic, some people think fish make good
pets....

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Doug Kanter wrote:
Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper
herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of
the
grill.

That's about how I feel about cats.

Now for a subject closer to on-topic, some people think fish make good
pets....

DSK


Let's not discuss fish. The weather here has sucked for two weeks, except
for a 39 minute period this past weekend. No fishing. I'm going crazier than
usual.

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
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So the difference between your neighbors and my dogs is intelligence
and constant training. They stay in the yard, no leash, under
constant command and control.

In your case, blame the owner, not the dog. :)

Oh....I do blame the owners. Not just for their awful practices, but for
letting themselves be trained by their dogs.

Back to the positive: Around here, almost every new townhouse development
has to have a pond, so that the place looks good in brochures. With NO
exceptions, the pond ends up being useless to the residents because the
geese move in. This is an instance where The Person Responsible should be
tied to a chair and be subject to questions from the residents and pelting
with rotten fruit. Probably the architect.

Anyway...some guy hires out his border collie. Apparently, one week of
exposure to the dog sends the geese packing for a couple of months. Probably
to the next townhouse development, but it works. :-)

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:53:50 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Doug Kanter wrote:
Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper
herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of
the
grill.

That's about how I feel about cats.

Now for a subject closer to on-topic, some people think fish make good
pets....

Let's not discuss fish. The weather here has sucked for two weeks, except
for a 39 minute period this past weekend. No fishing. I'm going crazier than
usual.

Tell me about it. I was really envious of the fishing report posted
yesterday.

WWWWAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:31:16 -0400, DSK wrote:

Doug Kanter wrote:
Hey! Cut it out. In my book, "domestication" means applying the proper herbs
and spices, and having the patience to cook things on the slow side of the
grill.

That's about how I feel about cats.

Now for a subject closer to on-topic, some people think fish make good
pets....

You won't believe this, but I have had a small mouth bass in a 50
gallon tank once.

I have a ten gallon tank with some genetically modified Neons - very
pretty.

Later,

Tom

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:58:17 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote:

"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
.. .


So the difference between your neighbors and my dogs is intelligence
and constant training. They stay in the yard, no leash, under
constant command and control.

In your case, blame the owner, not the dog. :)

Oh....I do blame the owners. Not just for their awful practices, but for
letting themselves be trained by their dogs.

Back to the positive: Around here, almost every new townhouse development
has to have a pond, so that the place looks good in brochures. With NO
exceptions, the pond ends up being useless to the residents because the
geese move in. This is an instance where The Person Responsible should be
tied to a chair and be subject to questions from the residents and pelting
with rotten fruit. Probably the architect.

Anyway...some guy hires out his border collie. Apparently, one week of
exposure to the dog sends the geese packing for a couple of months. Probably
to the next townhouse development, but it works. :-)

That is a small industry around here. The guy who breeds my BCs has a
whole little business going with the geese thing.

The the BCs love it!!! That's the best part.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:14:08 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:32:51 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote:

Snipped

Well, that's an ownership problem. It's my opinion that people who
contemplate owning a dog, must prove they are worthy of owning a dog.
I also feel the same way about kids - you have to prove you are worthy
to have a child. I mean I had to do it and did four times in fact.
Why shouldn't others?


Having adopted both dogs and cats from the local animal shelter, I can
state that the proof of worthiness to own a dog is much more
demanding than the proof of worthiness to have a child.

In every adoption instance we received a 'home visit' from the animal
shelter folks. Nothing remotely similar occurs prior to the conception
or birth of a child.

Try adopting four kids sometime.

That will give you the willies.

Later,

Tom

"Beware the one legged man in a butt
kicking contest - he is there for a
reason."

Wun Hung Lo - date unknown

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:58:17 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Back to the positive: Around here, almost every new townhouse development
has to have a pond, so that the place looks good in brochures. With NO
exceptions, the pond ends up being useless to the residents because the
geese move in. This is an instance where The Person Responsible should be
tied to a chair and be subject to questions from the residents and pelting
with rotten fruit. Probably the architect.

Without knowing the specifics, I'm sure many of those ponds serve as
retention basins. Better to blame Mother Nature's downpours, than the
architect.

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:56:55 -0400, JohnH
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:59:25 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:58:17 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Back to the positive: Around here, almost every new townhouse development
has to have a pond, so that the place looks good in brochures. With NO
exceptions, the pond ends up being useless to the residents because the
geese move in. This is an instance where The Person Responsible should be
tied to a chair and be subject to questions from the residents and pelting
with rotten fruit. Probably the architect.

Without knowing the specifics, I'm sure many of those ponds serve as
retention basins. Better to blame Mother Nature's downpours, than the
architect.

Get a radio controlled boat. They make great geese chasers.

I have been trying to find the story, but apparently this is goose
abuse or to put it another way animal cruelty.

I'm not joking. Some kids were fined $1,000 or so dollars for
harassing geese with RC controlled airplanes and boats.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
I have been trying to find the story, but apparently this is goose
abuse or to put it another way animal cruelty.

I'm not joking. Some kids were fined $1,000 or so dollars for
harassing geese with RC controlled airplanes and boats.

I dunno about fines, but I do know that two people had RC boats
confiscated by the state wildlife officers at NC lakes when they were
harassing animals.

Regards
Doug King

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:59:25 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:58:17 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Back to the positive: Around here, almost every new townhouse
development
has to have a pond, so that the place looks good in brochures. With
NO
exceptions, the pond ends up being useless to the residents because
the
geese move in. This is an instance where The Person Responsible
should be
tied to a chair and be subject to questions from the residents and
pelting
with rotten fruit. Probably the architect.

Without knowing the specifics, I'm sure many of those ponds serve as
retention basins. Better to blame Mother Nature's downpours, than the
architect.

Get a radio controlled boat. They make great geese chasers.

The architect has nothing to do with the pond......that would be the civil
engineer. You need to get rid of the grass....the geese love that, or make
really steep banks.






John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

There are 10 kinds of people in the world,
those who can do binary and those who can't!

"P. Fritz" wrote in message ...
"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:59:25 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:58:17 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Back to the positive: Around here, almost every new townhouse
development
has to have a pond, so that the place looks good in brochures. With
NO
exceptions, the pond ends up being useless to the residents because
the
geese move in. This is an instance where The Person Responsible
should be
tied to a chair and be subject to questions from the residents and
pelting
with rotten fruit. Probably the architect.

Without knowing the specifics, I'm sure many of those ponds serve as
retention basins. Better to blame Mother Nature's downpours, than the
architect.

Get a a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=radio%20controlled%20boat" onmouseover="window.status='radio controlled boat'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"radio controlled boat/a. They make great geese chasers.

The architect has nothing to do with the pond......that would be the civil
engineer. You need to get rid of the grass....the geese love that, or make
really steep banks.



Not necessarily. It may well be the Landscape Architect that made
ponds for aesthetic reasons. If it is purely for retension, or
detention of runoff, then yes, it would be the Civil Engineer.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P. Fritz" wrote in message
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"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:59:25 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:58:17 +0000, Doug Kanter wrote:


Back to the positive: Around here, almost every new townhouse
development
has to have a pond, so that the place looks good in brochures.
With
NO
exceptions, the pond ends up being useless to the residents
because
the
geese move in. This is an instance where The Person Responsible
should be
tied to a chair and be subject to questions from the residents
and
pelting
with rotten fruit. Probably the architect.

Without knowing the specifics, I'm sure many of those ponds serve
as
retention basins. Better to blame Mother Nature's downpours, than
the
architect.

Get a a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=radio%20controlled%20bo
at" onmouseover="window.status='radio controlled boat'; return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"radio controlled boat/a. They
make great geese chasers.

The architect has nothing to do with the pond......that would be the
civil
engineer. You need to get rid of the grass....the geese love that, or
make
really steep banks.



Not necessarily. It may well be the Landscape Architect that made
ponds for aesthetic reasons. If it is purely for retension, or
detention of runoff, then yes, it would be the Civil Engineer.

Phritz is a psychic. He knows which development I'm referring to, and in
which town it's located.