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Single dumbest answer of the debate
Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others.
Funny- I would have thought that when a person: I spent 16 years going to night school, working full time, playing by the rules, married, kids. I have the highest tech education there is BSEE embedded systems development. Also over 23 years experience in the engineering field. they *were* taking a decent measure of responsibility for life. When a law abiding citizen is mugged by a criminal, was the law abiding citizen "irresponsible"? |
"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. Funny- I would have thought that when a person: I spent 16 years going to night school, working full time, playing by the rules, married, kids. I have the highest tech education there is BSEE embedded systems development. Also over 23 years experience in the engineering field. they *were* taking a decent measure of responsibility for life. When a law abiding citizen is mugged by a criminal, was the law abiding citizen "irresponsible"? His is not the norm. **** happens. That is part of life. Accept it, make whatever changes you can so it does not happen again and move on. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. Funny- I would have thought that when a person: I spent 16 years going to night school, working full time, playing by the rules, married, kids. I have the highest tech education there is BSEE embedded systems development. Also over 23 years experience in the engineering field. they *were* taking a decent measure of responsibility for life. When a law abiding citizen is mugged by a criminal, was the law abiding citizen "irresponsible"? His is not the norm. **** happens. That is part of life. Accept it, make whatever changes you can so it does not happen again and move on. Actually, his is pretty normal............far to many people jump into a field because 'that is what everybody says to get into' . I saw the 'IT' bust coming a couple of years before it happened, just like the 'mortgage' business is on the verge right now. Too many people are looking for the quick buck. and then whine to the guvmint when it doesn't work out. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gould 0738 wrote: Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. Funny- I would have thought that when a person: I spent 16 years going to night school, working full time, playing by the rules, married, kids. I have the highest tech education there is BSEE embedded systems development. Also over 23 years experience in the engineering field. they *were* taking a decent measure of responsibility for life. When a law abiding citizen is mugged by a criminal, was the law abiding citizen "irresponsible"? The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member ... You are sick beyond belief Krause. |
His is not the norm. **** happens. That is part of life. Accept it, make
whatever changes you can so it does not happen again and move on. Private companies are free to hire and fire as they see fit, and **** happens. We do agree. There is public discussion of the issue for only two reasons. 1) Government should not be encouraging the removal of jobs from the US. 2) There are social consequences to many private actions, even when those actions aren't "illegal". |
"JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:10:50 -0400, "JimH" wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Gould 0738 wrote: Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. Funny- I would have thought that when a person: I spent 16 years going to night school, working full time, playing by the rules, married, kids. I have the highest tech education there is BSEE embedded systems development. Also over 23 years experience in the engineering field. they *were* taking a decent measure of responsibility for life. When a law abiding citizen is mugged by a criminal, was the law abiding citizen "irresponsible"? The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member ... You are sick beyond belief Krause. Now we know why Harry gleefully posts anything he can find with a soldier being killed. John H On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD, on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay! There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who can do binary and those who can't! I am systematically building an internet stalking case against Krause and remarks such as he just made strengthens my case. I have sent them to my lawyer, along with his other past threats and quotes about me and my family. Here is his recent complete quote: "The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. " He has previously posted that he now has pictures of my house, as well as my address and wife's name. None of that was ever made available to him by me, my wife or this NG. Add to that the fact that he had also posted precise coordinates to George Bush's Texas expressing a wish of a missile attack on it and you get one sick man. And one wonders why it is not prudent to post ones real name and email address on the internet.....there are nutcases like Krause all over the net and what they may decide to do because your opinions differ from theirs is indeed scary. |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. and a poster child for the DNC |
"WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. |
Subject: Single dumbest answer of the debate
From: WaIIy You're a moron, Jeff. Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. You really are an ass Wally. Capt. Bill |
And Gould wants everyone to use their real name. Yeah right.
" JimH" wrote in message ... He has previously posted that he now has pictures of my house, as well as my address and wife's name. None of that was ever made available to him by me, my wife or this NG. Add to that the fact that he had also posted precise coordinates to George Bush's Texas expressing a wish of a missile attack on it and you get one sick man. And one wonders why it is not prudent to post ones real name and email address on the internet.....there are nutcases like Krause all over the net and what they may decide to do because your opinions differ from theirs is indeed scary. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:44:32 -0400, " JimH" wrote: I am systematically building an internet stalking case against Krause and remarks such as he just made strengthens my case. I have sent them to my lawyer, along with his other past threats and quotes about me and my family. An internet stalking case? Hehehe. You're an idiot, Hertvik. You're in the internet phone book, you dumb ass. So why are you so obsessed with my name, my address, my wife's name, what I do for a living...etc.... You had to stalk me to find out my name, my wife's name and my address, as well as to have obtained pictures of my house....dumb ass. Keep it up asshole. You are only helping my case. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. And if the guvmint had krpt its nose out of higher education in the first place, tution would be so sky high that you would need the loans. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Jeff wrote: It's pretty common in NE Ohio. Wait until it happens to you. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. Funny- I would have thought that when a person: I spent 16 years going to night school, working full time, playing by the rules, married, kids. I have the highest tech education there is BSEE embedded systems development. Also over 23 years experience in the engineering field. they *were* taking a decent measure of responsibility for life. When a law abiding citizen is mugged by a criminal, was the law abiding citizen "irresponsible"? His is not the norm. **** happens. That is part of life. Accept it, make whatever changes you can so it does not happen again and move on. Jim Hertvik's got a little money and thinks he is immune from the financial vagaries of life. It's what makes him a smug, pseudo-conservative asshole. And I went to college, paid for it out of my own pocket and worked hard for everything we now have. Nothing was handed to us. Nothing. So I guess you are right....I have no pity for the floor sweeper at the Ford plant making $70,000 when he loses his plush job. And I have little pity for the unskilled, uneducated punch press operator who loses a job. They chose their own path in life by not earning a skill or education. No skill, no education, no job? Your fault. |
It's pretty common in NE Ohio.
Wait until it happens to you. "JimH" wrote in message ... "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. Funny- I would have thought that when a person: I spent 16 years going to night school, working full time, playing by the rules, married, kids. I have the highest tech education there is BSEE embedded systems development. Also over 23 years experience in the engineering field. they *were* taking a decent measure of responsibility for life. When a law abiding citizen is mugged by a criminal, was the law abiding citizen "irresponsible"? His is not the norm. **** happens. That is part of life. Accept it, make whatever changes you can so it does not happen again and move on. |
I stated what?
Better than Bill Gates? Where'd you get that ****? The W book of lie, lie, lie? I'm not a moron either. I'm in the top 98% of intelligence in the world. And that does not have to translate into income to make it true. Look at bush, he has less brains than scarecrow and is prez. Bush is not to blame singly, it's his whole assanign group of thieves and liars that have screwed up this country and put him in charge. I take great responsibility for my life, my family's, my community's, and my country's. I pitty you ass-wipes who have to support a jerk like bush just because he's "your" party's candidate. Even though the Republicans don't resemble a darn thing Lincoln started. W-words: gog W. bush ass-Wipe Worthless Witless Wally Worse president ever Woefully inadequate Warped right-Wing-nut "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On 15 Oct 2004 19:16:45 GMT, (LaBomba182) wrote: Subject: Single dumbest answer of the debate From: WaIIy You're a moron, Jeff. Take responsibility for your life and quit blaming others. You really are an ass Wally. Capt. Bill Why is that, Captain? If Jeff can't find an IT job in Ohio when he states he is better certified than Bill Gates, blaming President Bush is nuts. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. But you have to remember that socialists like harry believe that all you money actually belongs to the guvmint. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. Ah.....no, unless you believe that all your money belongs to the guvmint. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. You've just demonstrated *the* fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats. If I get a tax break, or a tax refund, or a tax write-off, it's not a subsidy. It's *my* money. By your warped definition a tax cut is a subsidy. Absurd! |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. A write off means you get to keep more of *your* money. It's not the government's money until you pay it to them. If the government let's you keep more of *your* money, then how are they "subsidizing" you? To put another way: Did Bush give you a subsidy when he passed the tax cut, Jim? |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. You've just demonstrated *the* fundamental difference between Republicans and Democrats. If I get a tax break, or a tax refund, or a tax write-off, it's not a subsidy. It's *my* money. By your warped definition a tax cut is a subsidy. Absurd! Let's say you bought one of those $60,000 big trucks or SUVS for your business. After all, dentists need SUVs to drill teeth, right? Anyway, up until recently, you could write off that entire cost against your business income. In other words, that purchase lowered your taxable income by $60,000 because you were able to take advantage of a special loophole not granted to payroll employees. It is a subsidy. The taxpayers subsidized your purchase of that SUV. Wrong. An SUV is not a legitimate expense for a dental office. So it's not a subsidy...it's tax evasion and illegal. You mentioned my insurance policies. Let's say the government didn't give me a write-off for those expenses, and I decided that I didn't want to buy the insurance. It benefits the government that I'm insured in the event of a disability or a total loss of my home, because then they won't have to bail me out if catastrophe strikes. I'm effectively subsidizing them by buying the insurance. Even if you don't see it that way, the fact of the matter is that insurance is an expense of doing business. Expenses deduct from the bottom line. Since we're only taxed on the bottom line, then why would I pay taxes on something that is expensed? BTW--I pay my disability and life insurance with after-tax money...because then the pay-out comes tax-free to me or my heirs. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message Let's say you bought one of those $60,000 big trucks or SUVS for your business. After all, dentists need SUVs to drill teeth, right? Anyway, up until recently, you could write off that entire cost against your business income. In other words, that purchase lowered your taxable income by $60,000 because you were able to take advantage of a special loophole not granted to payroll employees. It is a subsidy. The taxpayers subsidized your purchase of that SUV. Wrong. An SUV is not a legitimate expense for a dental office. So it's not a subsidy...it's tax evasion and illegal. It didn't have to be a "legitimate expense" for a dental office. You mentioned my insurance policies. Let's say the government didn't give me a write-off for those expenses, and I decided that I didn't want to buy the insurance. It benefits the government that I'm insured in the event of a disability or a total loss of my home, because then they won't have to bail me out if catastrophe strikes. I'm effectively subsidizing them by buying the insurance. The government does not *have* to bail you out. Notwithsstanding that, your insurance write-off is a subsidy provided by the taxpayers. Even if you don't see it that way, the fact of the matter is that insurance is an expense of doing business. Expenses deduct from the bottom line. Since we're only taxed on the bottom line, then why would I pay taxes on something that is expensed? Indeed, insurance is an expense of doing business. And you get to deduct that expense, while drawing a benefit from it. It is a taxpayer provided subsidy. Sheesh. I'm an S-Corp. It's conceivable that I have a bad month in which my expenses exceed my receipts. Since I lose money in such a situation, should I pay income tax? Nope (Remember, I have zero income when expenses are equal to or exceed collections). Do people who are out of work and receive no income still pay taxes? I'm pretty sure even you'll agree that they don't. So what form of "subsidy" are they receiving? If it were a true "subsidy", the government would send me money in months where I had a net loss. Since they don't do that, it's not a subsidy. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. A write off means you get to keep more of *your* money. It's not the government's money until you pay it to them. If the government let's you keep more of *your* money, then how are they "subsidizing" you? To put another way: Did Bush give you a subsidy when he passed the tax cut, Jim? I am only agreeing that a subsidy is money out of the governments pockets and into yours. Any way you look at it that is true. |
"NOYB" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. A write off means you get to keep more of *your* money. It's not the government's money until you pay it to them. If the government let's you keep more of *your* money, then how are they "subsidizing" you? To put another way: Did Bush give you a subsidy when he passed the tax cut, Jim? Lets look at write offs in another way using a real life example. Theresa Heinz Kerry has a reported income of $5,073,554 in 2003, on which she paid only 12% in taxes. The write offs and tax loop holes she used, while apparently legal, left some 13%~18% of taxes out of the government coffer, costing the government money. They subsidized her some 18% of her income with the write offs and loop holes. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. A write off means you get to keep more of *your* money. It's not the government's money until you pay it to them. If the government let's you keep more of *your* money, then how are they "subsidizing" you? To put another way: Did Bush give you a subsidy when he passed the tax cut, Jim? I am only agreeing that a subsidy is money out of the governments pockets and into yours. Any way you look at it that is true. Nope......it is NOT money out of the guvmint's pocket......it is money they never get in the first place................. |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. A write off means you get to keep more of *your* money. It's not the government's money until you pay it to them. If the government let's you keep more of *your* money, then how are they "subsidizing" you? To put another way: Did Bush give you a subsidy when he passed the tax cut, Jim? Lets look at write offs in another way using a real life example. Theresa Heinz Kerry has a reported income of $5,073,554 in 2003, on which she paid only 12% in taxes. The write offs and tax loop holes she used, while apparently legal, left some 13%~18% of taxes out of the government coffer, costing the government money. They subsidized her some 18% of her income with the write offs and loop holes. Once again, you take the stance that it is the guvmint's money in the first place......it is NOT |
"JimH" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. A write off means you get to keep more of *your* money. It's not the government's money until you pay it to them. If the government let's you keep more of *your* money, then how are they "subsidizing" you? To put another way: Did Bush give you a subsidy when he passed the tax cut, Jim? Lets look at write offs in another way using a real life example. Theresa Heinz Kerry has a reported income of $5,073,554 in 2003, on which she paid only 12% in taxes. The write offs and tax loop holes she used, while apparently legal, left some 13%~18% of taxes out of the government coffer, costing the government money. They subsidized her some 18% of her income with the write offs and loop holes. They didn't subsidize anything. The government let her keep 88% of her money instead of only 70% of it. How grand of them! It's still her friggin' money! I realize that taxes are a necessity. However, to declare that the government is subsidizing someone by taking only 12% of their money instead of 30% is ABSURD! |
"Jon Smithe" wrote in message news:NFucd.381211$mD.234435@attbi_s02... NYOB, Harry's position is all of your money is the government's, you keep what they allow you to keep, and thusly are putting money into your pocket and subsidizing you. That's exactly how the other side thinks. Sad. |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "JimH" wrote in message ... "NOYB" wrote in message ... "JimH" wrote in message ... "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... NOYB wrote: "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:05:46 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: The best thing that can happen to smug righties is horrific personal disaster, such as loss of a good job and inability to find a new good job, loss of a close family member with devastating bills to pay, loss of a home due to a natural disaster, et cetera. You are a true nutcase. Smart people plan for the disasters. Although I've been blessed with good fortune, I know that things could change in an instant. That's why I spend tens of thousands of dollars every year on insurance...for life, disability, natural disasters, etc. It's wonderful when the taxpayers subsidize you, eh? The interest on half of my student loan was subsidized...but ONLY WHILE I WAS IN SCHOOL. But none of the interest is subsidized for the next 25 years that I'm paying it off. What? You don't write off the premiums on your many insurance policies? A write-off is not a subsidy. It's my money that I'm saving...not the government's. A write-off is a subsidy. If you write off insurance or depreciation, it comes off your gross income and lowers the number on which you pay taxes. It is a subsidy. Agreed. A write off means you get to keep more of *your* money. It's not the government's money until you pay it to them. If the government let's you keep more of *your* money, then how are they "subsidizing" you? To put another way: Did Bush give you a subsidy when he passed the tax cut, Jim? Lets look at write offs in another way using a real life example. Theresa Heinz Kerry has a reported income of $5,073,554 in 2003, on which she paid only 12% in taxes. The write offs and tax loop holes she used, while apparently legal, left some 13%~18% of taxes out of the government coffer, costing the government money. They subsidized her some 18% of her income with the write offs and loop holes. They didn't subsidize anything. The government let her keep 88% of her money instead of only 70% of it. How grand of them! It's still her friggin' money! I realize that taxes are a necessity. However, to declare that the government is subsidizing someone by taking only 12% of their money instead of 30% is ABSURD! Mrs. Heinz Kerry gave away about $4 million of her income and paid about 25% on the remainder, give or take, the same as Bush and Kerry. Thanks for bringing that up. Mrs. Heinz Kerry did indeed donate a large portion of her income--about $4 million worth--to the Tides Foundation between 1995 and 2001. The Tides Foundation supports numerous left-wing organizations. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=37244 |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:44:21 -0400, NOYB wrote:
Thanks for bringing that up. Mrs. Heinz Kerry did indeed donate a large portion of her income--about $4 million worth--to the Tides Foundation between 1995 and 2001. The Tides Foundation supports numerous left-wing organizations. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=37244 |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:50:31 -0400, NOYB wrote:
You guys claimed that the Tides Foundation doesn't fund left-wing organizations. You asked "what's your point?" when I showed you several left-wing organizations that they've funded. My point is that you're wrong. The Tides Foundation (to which Heinz Kerry has donated $4 million) has funded numerous left-wing organizations. No, my point was that Heinz-Kerry never gave $4 million to the Tides Foundation. If you had read my link, you would find that she gave $8.1 million to the Tides *Center* which administered the grants. As to where the $8.1 million went: http://www.heinz.org/files/HP_Digit.pdf |
"JimH" wrote in message ... Lets look at write offs in another way using a real life example. Here's a real life example for ya... Goodbye forever a**hole... *ploink* -- -Netsock "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/ |
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