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This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower
level
of
our
house
tiled in a

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the area that comprises my a

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*Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement
tiled.
Why
not
just
say so.

And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would
guess
even
a
non
union company would have beat it.

What is so special about laying tile that you need to be
union?

Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training
(apprenticeship)
arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end
up
hiring
someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it
after
doing
their
own home, decided to open a business.

Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship
program.
A
lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of
various
chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting
or
maintenance in single-family homes.

Pure bull****.


Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential,
although I
have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league
homebuilding
ventures
to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews.

It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if
you
saw a
photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense
of
design,
taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is
subjective,eh?


We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you
have
a
picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have
obtained
it,
but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is
beyond
belief
with you.

Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year
apprenticeship
program
unless one is mentally challenged.

As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from
http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM



ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING

Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an
apprenticeship
program. After completing a three or four-year program that
includes
both
practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to
full
journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually
consists
of
on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in
blueprint
reading,
layout, and basic mathematics.

To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years
old
and
be
physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision,
color
perception, and manual dexterity are important assets.

Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers
usually
prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic
math
and
be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include
shop
and
mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a
desirable
skill.

In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many
Tile
Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to
experienced
workers.


So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what
you
are
talking about.

I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship,
only
that
the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as
tile
setting
is not a skilled trade imo.

Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy.

Asslicker ought to read his own posts......

"In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many
Tile
Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to
experienced
workers."

Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an
apprenticeship
program.

ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the
NG
idiots"

What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced
workers" is, anyway????

Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them?

Care to answer the question? YOU are the one arguing. I asked a
question.

LOL!

What a mar00n.............somebody sell that tree stump a clue.

As suspected from Fritz. Third grade like name calling, and of course,
avoid the question.

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This week, we had about 1000 square feet of the lower level
of
our
house
tiled in a

href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile"
onmouseover="window.status='a
href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=ceramic%20tile"
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return true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a';
return
true;"
onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"ceramic tile/a. This
is
the area that comprises my a
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onmouseover="window.status='a
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*Lower level* of your house? So you had your basement tiled.
Why
not
just
say so.

And it sounds like your first quote was off base. I would
guess
even
a
non
union company would have beat it.

What is so special about laying tile that you need to be
union?

Just my guess: How about the presence of formal training
(apprenticeship)
arrangements? That means something. Otherwise, you could end
up
hiring
someone who, after discovering they were pretty good at it
after
doing
their
own home, decided to open a business.

Union tilesetters undergo a formal, three-year apprenticeship
program.
A
lot of that training has to do with the safe handling of
various
chemicals that are rarely, if ever, used during tilesetting or
maintenance in single-family homes.

Pure bull****.


Very few union tilesetters work single-family residential,
although I
have foudn the crews I've hired in my minor-league homebuilding
ventures
to be more skilled and efficient than the non-union crews.

It is kind of humorous that Hertvik is commenting here...if you
saw a
photo of his house, you'd conclude that no one with a sense of
design,
taste or construction skill was involved...but, hey, taste is
subjective,eh?


We have a 4,000 square foot house constructed in 1992. If you
have
a
picture to post please do. I have no idea how you would have
obtained
it,
but as you have been stalking me recently I guess nothing is
beyond
belief
with you.

Tile setting is not difficult. No need for a 3 year
apprenticeship
program
unless one is mentally challenged.

As usual, you are wrong. Dead wrong. Look below, taken from
http://www.calmis.cahwnet.gov/file/occguide/TILESET.HTM



ENTRANCE REQUIREMENTS AND TRAINING

Tile Setters usually begin as helpers until they enter an
apprenticeship
program. After completing a three or four-year program that
includes
both
practical and classroom education, the apprentice can advance to
full
journey-level status. An apprenticeship program usually consists
of
on-the-job training and related classroom instruction in blueprint
reading,
layout, and basic mathematics.

To become an apprentice, a candidate must be at least 18 years old
and
be
physically able to perform the work of the trade. Good vision,
color
perception, and manual dexterity are important assets.

Though there are no formal educational requirements, employers
usually
prefer high school graduates. Job applicants should know basic
math
and
be able to read and write. Helpful high school classes include
shop
and
mechanical drawing. The ability to read blueprints is also a
desirable
skill.

In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many
Tile
Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to
experienced
workers.


So, as you can see, you, again, don't have a damned clue what you
are
talking about.

I never disputed the fact that they had a 3 year apprenticeship,
only
that
the trade is certainly not one requiring 3 years of training as tile
setting
is not a skilled trade imo.

Try reading for content next time and stick to the issue 'Bassy.

Asslicker ought to read his own posts......

"In areas where there are no union apprenticeship programs, many Tile
Setters acquire skills informally by working as helpers to experienced
workers."

Pretty much sums up your point that there is no NEED for an
apprenticeship
program.

ONce again, asslicker shows why he retains the crown as "King of the
NG
idiots"

What to **** do you think that "working as helpers to experienced
workers" is, anyway????

Do you argue with people just for the sake of arguing with them?

Care to answer the question? YOU are the one arguing. I asked a question.

LOL!


As suspecte, childish LOL, with typical avoidance of the question.
Why? Because you know you are wrong.