"Netsock" wrote in message ...

So...you would keep your gun accessible and loaded at home? What if you
weren't there? What if there are kids or other folks around?

Absolutely, and did with so my very young children, with apology to no
one - who were thoroughly taught at very tender ages how to deal
safely with loaded guns, and who were outshooting me by age 10 with
big-bore handguns (better eyesg). A pox on political & social
correctness, if everyone of any age *knows & assumes* that any gun is
loaded & ready for use like any other respected tool, everyone is far
safer. I am not a city dweller & my ways are appropriate for rural
homestead living where frequent firearm use is a fact of life.
Presently I'd rethink and change this policy since my area has slowly
become suburbanized & with citified newcomers dropping in, etc. My
point is that any true gun safety should be situational & well
thought-out, not rightfully dictated by others in some blanket
fashion.

IMO&E the best thing one can do with very young children, is to teach
them how to quickly & safely unload or disable any firearm produced in
their presence by an unsupervised child "if it is exactly like one of
ours", and how to immediately run like hell to an adult first if it
isn't. Learning to shoot & properly maintain guns when very young
also removes unhealthy curiousity or fascination. IMHO the best way
to foster trouble with kids (one's own that is) & guns, is to lock
them away where they are "forbidden" and "inaccessible." There is
almost no such thing as "inaccessible" to a child of average
intelligence.

In a real-life situation of violent piracy toward a yatch, in most any
tactical sense a firearm is useless if not suicidal. Your assailants
have the superior elements of surprise, grim determination, possibly
superior size or speed or power or maneuverability, usually home-turf
advantage, and already-drawn weapons. Ed Teach proved this 300 years
ago.

I'm not sure I agree. Armed "Pirating" was growing immensely on Lake
Cumberland in KY, until people started arming themselves. There were a
couple of very publicized incidents, were the houseboat owners retreated
into the vessel, and drew their own arms against the assailants. Tactically,
the house boaters were superior, as they had good cover, while the
assailants where typically in the open. Quite a few boarding attempts were
thwarted because of the boat owners had armed themselves.

And I'd have to agree with this in the case of houseboats, which might
be victimized by any kind of punk as might any other dwelling,
campsite, etc. My comments were directed at seagoing voyaging people.
I feel that characterizing this sort of instance as "piracy" is a bit
of poetic license - it's essentially a household B&E, yes? One might
view marina liveaboards the same way, or others who do their sailing
on MSC's (Main Saloon Cushions).

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Absolutely, and did with so my very young children, with apology to no
one - who were thoroughly taught at very tender ages how to deal
safely with loaded guns, and who were outshooting me by age 10 with
big-bore handguns (better eyesg).

So what happens when a neighbor kid comes over to visit, and finds your
loaded gun in the house?

Facts show 9 out of 10 loaded handguns keep in homes, are more likely to
kill a friend or family member than an intruder.

I am a multiple gun owner of 30 years...and I know keeping an unsecured
loaded gun in the house is utterly ridiculous and stupid...period.

The gun I take with me to Lake Cumberland, stays in one of those Simplex
lock boxes...quick access, but secure from anybody else.

Think you could do me a favor, and email me your address? I want to make
sure my family and myself stays away from your home.


--
-Netsock

"It's just about going fast...that's all..."
http://home.columbus.rr.com/ckg/

Facts show 9 out of 10 loaded handguns keep in homes, are more likely to
kill a friend or family member than an intruder.

Ah the Kellermann "study".
It is so full of holes that most people discount it entirely.
To start with it includes suicide.
"Kill an intruder" really meant people who were charged and were later aquitted
on self defense.
It was only looking at one small area of Washington State.
It ignored intentional murders (we always kill the ones we love)
It ignored wounded intruders.
It ignored all of the cases where the presense of the gun was all it took to
run off the intruder.
It is the perfect case of a "study" being someone who started with the answer
they wanted and sought out the "facts" to prove it.

The fact is child/gun accidents are a very small number, typically a couple
hundred a year for age 0-14 but the hype would have you believing they are
dropping like flies

I am a supporter of "lock up your gun" but I am not going to use bogus
"studies" to support it.
I don't even like trigger locks. As far as I am concerned they are useless. It
does nothing to keep the gun from being stolen and it only gives the kid a
puzzle to solve.
Lock up the whole thing!
The real answer is still education.

"Netsock" wrote in message ...

So what happens when a neighbor kid comes over to visit, and finds your
loaded gun in the house?

Not everyone has neighboring children, and some actually limit their
in-home company to those who share their values, attitudes & beliefs.

The gun I take with me to Lake Cumberland, stays in one of those Simplex
lock boxes...quick access, but secure from anybody else.

Perhaps if you were more diplomatic & popular there, you wouldn't need
it. :-)

Think you could do me a favor, and email me your address? I want to make
sure my family and myself stays away from your home.

This would not have been any problem - my children & I were not
inclined to suffer intrusive fools within or around our happy & safe
sanctuary; local laws still call any who cannot stay away
"trespassers" & authorities deal with them accordingly.

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"Netsock" wrote in message
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So what happens when a neighbor kid comes over to visit, and finds your
loaded gun in the house?

Not everyone has neighboring children, and some actually limit their
in-home company to those who share their values, attitudes & beliefs.

Exactly. Even with just the few writings you have done here, clearly it
shows I dont want to have anything to do with someone like you.

So do you have an armed guard at the entrance to your compound on Ruby
Ridge?

The gun I take with me to Lake Cumberland, stays in one of those Simplex
lock boxes...quick access, but secure from anybody else.

Perhaps if you were more diplomatic & popular there, you wouldn't need
it. :-)

This is laughable. The "pirates" dont know their prey, so it has nothing to
do with being popular.

And being dimplomatic? What, should I negociate with them, as they board my
boat with guns drawn?


Think you could do me a favor, and email me your address? I want to make
sure my family and myself stays away from your home.

This would not have been any problem - my children & I were not
inclined to suffer intrusive fools within or around our happy & safe
sanctuary; local laws still call any who cannot stay away
"trespassers" & authorities deal with them accordingly.

Thanks Randy Weaver.