Rec.boats ??
 

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000 messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?

Rec.boats ??
 

Gene Kearns wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:10 -0500, "Dave" wrote:

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000 messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?



I strongly suggest http://www.boatered.com If you can't self police
what you read here, boatered will make your decisions for you.

Indeed, Boatered is the cure. Maybe Noah should move there, too. It is
his kinda place.

--
Email sent to is never read.

Rec.boats ??
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:10 -0500, "Dave" wrote:

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000 messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?


Try this: http://www.tidalfish.com/home.asp
Just don't tell anyone else. Keep in mind that the boating season is over for
many of us. I could report on each occasion I put the charger on my batteries,
but that would get old quickly.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Rec.boats ??
 

JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:10 -0500, "Dave" wrote:

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000 messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?


Try this: http://www.tidalfish.com/home.asp
Just don't tell anyone else. Keep in mind that the boating season is over for
many of us. I could report on each occasion I put the charger on my batteries,
but that would get old quickly.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

It's over? And I was hoping to get an invite for late fall fishing
aboard Poco Loco.

Are you staying at the same marina next season? I probably will, but I
seem to spend more of my fishing time down near the Nuke Plant and
south, and Solomons is a lot more convenient for the lower mid to south
Bay.


Email sent to is never read.

Rec.boats ??
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:49:23 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:10 -0500, "Dave" wrote:

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000 messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?


Try this: http://www.tidalfish.com/home.asp
Just don't tell anyone else. Keep in mind that the boating season is over for
many of us. I could report on each occasion I put the charger on my batteries,
but that would get old quickly.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

It's over? And I was hoping to get an invite for late fall fishing
aboard Poco Loco.

Are you staying at the same marina next season? I probably will, but I
seem to spend more of my fishing time down near the Nuke Plant and
south, and Solomons is a lot more convenient for the lower mid to south
Bay.


Email sent to is never read.

I live in Alexandria, so Deale is the shortest drive for me. I am thinking of
moving to Solomon's when the wife retires. She likes the area also. I think
you're right about the fishing down there. I've heard that people are getting
buzzed by helicopters with megaphones fishing the rips at the power plant. That
was a fun place to go jigging, but I fear the fun may be over.

The CBBT seems to be where all the fall action was this year. I didn't hear of
much action in mid bay. I had no luck in September, and never went out again
after Isabel. Either work or the weather kept me off the water. The guy I
usually go with got stuck by a rockfish and developed a severe infection. The
antibiotics he was taking did bad things to his intestinal tract, so he wasn't
able to go for several weeks either. Oh well, spring is coming.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Rec.boats ??
 

JohnH wrote:


Just don't tell anyone else. Keep in mind that the boating season is over for
many of us. I could report on each occasion I put the charger on my batteries,
but that would get old quickly.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

It's over? And I was hoping to get an invite for late fall fishing
aboard Poco Loco.

Are you staying at the same marina next season? I probably will, but I
seem to spend more of my fishing time down near the Nuke Plant and
south, and Solomons is a lot more convenient for the lower mid to south
Bay.





I live in Alexandria, so Deale is the shortest drive for me. I am thinking of
moving to Solomon's when the wife retires. She likes the area also. I think
you're right about the fishing down there. I've heard that people are getting
buzzed by helicopters with megaphones fishing the rips at the power plant. That
was a fun place to go jigging, but I fear the fun may be over.


I cannot attest to the copters; I did visit the rips about a half-dozen
times this past season and didn't encounter anything out of the
ordinary. It's kinda silly, since anyone who wants to can slam a
shoulder-fired missile into the nuke plant while outside the "perimeter."



The CBBT seems to be where all the fall action was this year. I didn't hear of
much action in mid bay.

We're thinking of an Xmas-week trip to the CBBT. Stay in a cheapo motel
near Lynnhaven, go out on a couple charters and head boats. Guys only.
You got any interest? It's guaranteed to be cold, wet and
miserable...real fishing weather.


I had no luck in September, and never went out again
after Isabel.Either work or the weather kept me off the water. The guy I
usually go with got stuck by a rockfish and developed a severe infection. The
antibiotics he was taking did bad things to his intestinal tract, so he wasn't
able to go for several weeks either. Oh well, spring is coming.

Sheesh, you should have called me. You know you have a standing
invitation with me, despite your rather weird politics.

Yes...spring.

I might wander down to the Solomons for a closer look-see. I'd like to
find a boatyard there with safe storage AND a decent boat ramp. I like
where we are now, but the ramp is not my cup of tea.

--
Email sent to is never read.

Rec.boats ??
 

you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their opinions
here.

"Gene Kearns" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:10 -0500, "Dave" wrote:

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long
time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000
messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with
politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you
blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of
you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?



I strongly suggest http://www.boatered.com If you can't self police
what you read here, boatered will make your decisions for you.

Otherwise, dump the micro$oft outlook express, get a real newsreader,
set up filters to wade through the chaff for you, and enjoy your
reading.

For less than $30 you can lock out all of the riff-raff and OT
drivel.... you'd do the same buying a lock for your boat.... why not
your computer and the newsgroups?

See: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/
Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/directions.asp Where
Southport,NC is located.
http://www.southharbourvillage.com/autoupdater.htm Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

Rec.boats ??
 

"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."
--
-= swatcop =-

"If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed."

Rec.boats ??
 

swatcop wrote:

Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."


I absolutely agree with this here fella.

--
Email sent to is never read.

Rec.boats ??
 

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:33 GMT, "swatcop" wrote:




"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."

I find it interesting that you'd make this response.

It IS a "free country, as you stated, but a police officer, of all people,
would understand that there are also limits to individual freedom.

Laws, rules, covenants, convention, and even simple manners, are all in place to
help reasonable people to co-exist. This isn't the Wild West.

Are you saying that the desire and ability to post "Off-topic" legitimises the
action?

Here in New York we have a law banning drivers from using hand-held cell phones.
Drive down any street, and roughly two out of every ten drivers you meet will be
on their cell phones. I guess the fact that they want to, and can, makes it OK?

What an odd thing for a police officer to say...
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. :o)

Rec.boats ??
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:05:37 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

Gene Kearns wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:10 -0500, "Dave" wrote:

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000 messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?



I strongly suggest http://www.boatered.com If you can't self police
what you read here, boatered will make your decisions for you.

Indeed, Boatered is the cure. Maybe Noah should move there, too. It is
his kinda place.


Thanks for the "props", Harry, but rec.boats is fine by me.
There's much too much "boating" talk in BoaterEd.

Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. :o)

Rec.boats ??
 

"noah" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:33 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:




"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap
is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers,
and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what
we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the
knob."

I find it interesting that you'd make this response.

It IS a "free country, as you stated, but a police officer, of all
people,
would understand that there are also limits to individual freedom.

Laws, rules, covenants, convention, and even simple manners, are all in
place to
help reasonable people to co-exist. This isn't the Wild West.

Are you saying that the desire and ability to post "Off-topic" legitimises
the
action?

Here in New York we have a law banning drivers from using hand-held cell
phones.
Drive down any street, and roughly two out of every ten drivers you meet
will be
on their cell phones. I guess the fact that they want to, and can, makes
it OK?

What an odd thing for a police officer to say...
Regards,
noah

The "gist" of my message was supposed to be read as "there isn't any
newsgroup police, therefore your rude and stupid posts may be legal, but
certainly not desired. The readers' options are limited, so we'll just tune
you out."

Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.
--
-= swatcop =-

"If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed."

Rec.boats ??
 

I too absolutely agree with Swatcop.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...

I absolutely agree with this here fella.

--

Swatcop wrote: Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup
police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.
--

Rec.boats ??
 

Jack Meholf wrote:

I too absolutely agree with Swatcop.


How much did you get for that wakeboard-ski boat?


--
Email sent to is never read.

Rec.boats ??
 

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:48:17 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:



The "gist" of my message was supposed to be read as "there isn't any
newsgroup police, therefore your rude and stupid posts may be legal, but
certainly not desired. The readers' options are limited, so we'll just tune
you out."

Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.

Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.



You're an ass, Noah. But you are entitled to be one.

--
Email sent to is never read.

Rec.boats ??
 

Harry Krause wrote:

swatcop wrote:

Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."

I absolutely agree with this here fella.

Except that while you are against a national voter resistration card,
you are for newsgroup posters using their real names. That's hypocrisy,
and the beginning of newsgroup police.

-- Charlie


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Harry Krause wrote:

Jack Meholf wrote:

I too absolutely agree with Swatcop.


How much did you get for that wakeboard-ski boat?

You're still having flight of idea problems? Can't your nursemaid halp
you with this?

-- Charlie


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(snip) Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

"He" is not you.


You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.

Not ANYTHING, just things that are legal.


There are specific conventions of Usenet Protocol which discourage the
posting of off-topic material in a group. Are you suggesting that it
doesn't matter?


No, I'm not saying that it doesn't matter. What I'm saying is that it's not
against the law. You yourself just said "which DISCOURAGE the posting of
off-topic material..." "Discouraged" by definition does not equal
"forbidden," so I guess things like off-topic posting are just one of life's
little annoyances that we have to deal with. It may suck, but the newsgroup
police aren't going to show up at his door and yank his computer out of the
wall.
--
-= swatcop =-

"If it wasn't for stupid people I'd be unemployed."

Rec.boats ??
 

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:33 GMT, "swatcop" wrote:




"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."

I find it interesting that you'd make this response.

It IS a "free country, as you stated, but a police officer, of all people,
would understand that there are also limits to individual freedom.

Perhaps, if he were to have prefaced his statement with the words
"Absent any laws which prohibit......" first, you would have had less
trouble accepting it?


Dave

Rec.boats ??
 

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:19:13 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:48:17 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:



The "gist" of my message was supposed to be read as "there isn't any
newsgroup police, therefore your rude and stupid posts may be legal, but
certainly not desired. The readers' options are limited, so we'll just tune
you out."

Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.

Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.



You're an ass, Noah. But you are entitled to be one.

Thanks for your consent, Harry. I don't know what I would have done without it.

You know, for a guy with your apparent intelligence, and obvious verbal skills,
you never fail to initiate name calling and personal insults. I once valued
your opinion, but no more. It is as valueless as your "debating style".

I strongly disagree with the Off-topic posting taking over this group. If that
makes me an ass, I'll live with it.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. :o)

Rec.boats ??
 

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 04:32:06 GMT, "swatcop" wrote:



(snip) Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

"He" is not you.


You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.

Not ANYTHING, just things that are legal.


There are specific conventions of Usenet Protocol which discourage the
posting of off-topic material in a group. Are you suggesting that it
doesn't matter?


No, I'm not saying that it doesn't matter. What I'm saying is that it's not
against the law. You yourself just said "which DISCOURAGE the posting of
off-topic material..." "Discouraged" by definition does not equal
"forbidden," so I guess things like off-topic posting are just one of life's
little annoyances that we have to deal with. It may suck, but the newsgroup
police aren't going to show up at his door and yank his computer out of the
wall.

Thanks for the clarification. It is honestly appreciated.

Sometimes it's hard to "read" people in Real Life; on Usenet it's frequently
more difficult. I'd rather "ask" than pull a conclusion out of my arse. :o)

Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. :o)

Rec.boats ??
 

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:52:20 GMT, Dave Hall wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:33 GMT, "swatcop" wrote:




"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."

I find it interesting that you'd make this response.

It IS a "free country, as you stated, but a police officer, of all people,
would understand that there are also limits to individual freedom.

Perhaps, if he were to have prefaced his statement with the words
"Absent any laws which prohibit......" first, you would have had less
trouble accepting it?


Dave


Well, yes, and no.
Usenet, in general, isn't structured with "laws". Different ISP's and news
servers have (more or less) similar Terms of Service policies. Different groups
have individual Charters and FAQ's, and the whole of it comes under Usenet
Etiquette. None of this is "law". Most reasonable people abide by the
principles.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. :o)

Rec.boats ??
 

noah wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:19:13 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:48:17 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:



The "gist" of my message was supposed to be read as "there isn't any
newsgroup police, therefore your rude and stupid posts may be legal, but
certainly not desired. The readers' options are limited, so we'll just tune
you out."

Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.

Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.



You're an ass, Noah. But you are entitled to be one.

Thanks for your consent, Harry. I don't know what I would have done without it.

You know, for a guy with your apparent intelligence, and obvious verbal skills,
you never fail to initiate name calling and personal insults. I once valued
your opinion, but no more. It is as valueless as your "debating style".

I strongly disagree with the Off-topic posting taking over this group. If that
makes me an ass, I'll live with it.
Regards,
noah


Nah...it's not that you disagree that makes you an ass, Noah. It's the
way you disagree.


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I can't believe that the most obnoxious, disagreeable person on Usenet would
possible make this statement.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
Nah...it's not that you disagree that makes you an ass, Noah. It's the
way you disagree.

I guess it does show how removed from reality you are. You don't like
Noah's comment because of the "way" he disagreed with you, you view him as
someone who is infringing on your right to be an ass.

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noah wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:52:20 GMT, Dave Hall wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:33 GMT, "swatcop" wrote:




"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."

I find it interesting that you'd make this response.

It IS a "free country, as you stated, but a police officer, of all people,
would understand that there are also limits to individual freedom.

Perhaps, if he were to have prefaced his statement with the words
"Absent any laws which prohibit......" first, you would have had less
trouble accepting it?


Dave


Well, yes, and no.
Usenet, in general, isn't structured with "laws". Different ISP's and news
servers have (more or less) similar Terms of Service policies. Different groups
have individual Charters and FAQ's, and the whole of it comes under Usenet
Etiquette. None of this is "law". Most reasonable people abide by the
principles.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
...as you were. :o)


Help me out here, I'm hard-pressed to recall a posting string you
originated that was directly related to recreational boating. Have I
missed the last 20 original bon mots of yours that related to
recreational boating?

On 10/30, you posted a response to a post about a computer virus...then
there were about a dozen posts about audiophile topies...about 30
concerning off-topic posts...then something about a freighter sinking in
Albany...then about 20 complaining about me...

Tell us all about the kind of boating you do, Noah...about your boat,
where you boat, what you do on your boat, how you maintain your boat,
how fast your boat is or isn't, what kind of repairs you've done yourself.

You know, posts related to...rec.boating.

On-topic posts.





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Jack Meholf wrote:

I can't believe that the most obnoxious, disagreeable person on Usenet would
possible make this statement.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
Nah...it's not that you disagree that makes you an ass, Noah. It's the
way you disagree.

I guess it does show how removed from reality you are. You don't like
Noah's comment because of the "way" he disagreed with you, you view him as
someone who is infringing on your right to be an ass.





How much did you get for that wakeboard boat, Jim, er, Jack?

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:52:20 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:19:13 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:48:17 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:



The "gist" of my message was supposed to be read as "there isn't any
newsgroup police, therefore your rude and stupid posts may be legal, but
certainly not desired. The readers' options are limited, so we'll just tune
you out."

Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.

Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.



You're an ass, Noah. But you are entitled to be one.

Thanks for your consent, Harry. I don't know what I would have done without it.

You know, for a guy with your apparent intelligence, and obvious verbal skills,
you never fail to initiate name calling and personal insults. I once valued
your opinion, but no more. It is as valueless as your "debating style".

I strongly disagree with the Off-topic posting taking over this group. If that
makes me an ass, I'll live with it.
Regards,
noah


Nah...it's not that you disagree that makes you an ass, Noah. It's the
way you disagree.

On the off-chance that you are being sincere, can you be specific?
I think I have been pretty straightforward, without the name-calling.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
....as you were. :o)

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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:01:37 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:52:20 GMT, Dave Hall wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:33 GMT, "swatcop" wrote:




"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."

I find it interesting that you'd make this response.

It IS a "free country, as you stated, but a police officer, of all people,
would understand that there are also limits to individual freedom.

Perhaps, if he were to have prefaced his statement with the words
"Absent any laws which prohibit......" first, you would have had less
trouble accepting it?


Dave


Well, yes, and no.
Usenet, in general, isn't structured with "laws". Different ISP's and news
servers have (more or less) similar Terms of Service policies. Different groups
have individual Charters and FAQ's, and the whole of it comes under Usenet
Etiquette. None of this is "law". Most reasonable people abide by the
principles.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
...as you were. :o)


Help me out here, I'm hard-pressed to recall a posting string you
originated that was directly related to recreational boating. Have I
missed the last 20 original bon mots of yours that related to
recreational boating?

As we age, our memory slips a bit. Perhaps you were busy posting.

On 10/30, you posted a response to a post about a computer virus...then
there were about a dozen posts about audiophile topies...about 30
concerning off-topic posts...then something about a freighter sinking in
Albany...then about 20 complaining about me...

I haven't been around as much as I normally would like to be.
If it matters, my mother is quite ill. We all have "real life" problems now and
then.


Tell us all about the kind of boating you do, Noah...about your boat,
where you boat, what you do on your boat, how you maintain your boat,
how fast your boat is or isn't, what kind of repairs you've done yourself.

You know, posts related to...rec.boating.

If you had bothered to read them, Harry, I have posted about all my boats, and
different experiences I've had. I've also gotten good repair advice, and I try
to help where I can. If you didn't read them, I can't help it.

We don't all measure our paticipation by the sheer number of posts we can "up"
in a 24 hour period.

On-topic posts.

Yes. On-topic posts. If I were to post everytime a politician farts, perhaps
you would be more familiar with them, as I am with yours.

It's not personal for me, Harry. You and I share "some" opinions and ideology.
I flat-out covet your Parker, and wish I lived in an area that had a longer
boating season. You are not the only prolific OT poster. Pure and simple, I
believe that most of the OT posts belong in other, more appropriate, groups. I
approached you to attempt to discuss it, and I now see that I made a mistake.
My mistake.

Regards,
noah

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....as you were. :o)

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Sadly, your stuff has gone down hill of late, Harry. It used to be fun.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jack Meholf wrote:

I can't believe that the most obnoxious, disagreeable person on Usenet
would
possible make this statement.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
Nah...it's not that you disagree that makes you an ass, Noah. It's the
way you disagree.

I guess it does show how removed from reality you are. You don't like
Noah's comment because of the "way" he disagreed with you, you view him as
someone who is infringing on your right to be an ass.





How much did you get for that wakeboard boat, Jim, er, Jack?

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noah wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:52:20 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:19:13 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:48:17 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:



The "gist" of my message was supposed to be read as "there isn't any
newsgroup police, therefore your rude and stupid posts may be legal, but
certainly not desired. The readers' options are limited, so we'll just tune
you out."

Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.

Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.



You're an ass, Noah. But you are entitled to be one.

Thanks for your consent, Harry. I don't know what I would have done without it.

You know, for a guy with your apparent intelligence, and obvious verbal skills,
you never fail to initiate name calling and personal insults. I once valued
your opinion, but no more. It is as valueless as your "debating style".

I strongly disagree with the Off-topic posting taking over this group. If that
makes me an ass, I'll live with it.
Regards,
noah


Nah...it's not that you disagree that makes you an ass, Noah. It's the
way you disagree.

On the off-chance that you are being sincere, can you be specific?
I think I have been pretty straightforward, without the name-calling.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
...as you were. :o)


Sure, I *can* be specific.

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noah wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:01:37 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:

On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:52:20 GMT, Dave Hall wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:33 GMT, "swatcop" wrote:




"Bill Andersen" wrote in message
news:CidDb.9687$J77.5548@fed1read07...
you're missing the point.
the point is that this newsgroup is "rec.boats" and all the other crap is
posted here.
there shouldn't be a need for filters. except to omit Krause.
some people think they are the only ones with radio, tv or newspapers, and
feel obligated to repeat the news here.
some people obviously have no one to talk with, so they post their
opinions
here.
Well, fortunately for us this is still a FREE country and that sort of
behavior is tolerated here without a need for "newsgroup police." It's
kinda' like a radio - if you don't like what the station is playing, then
turn the knob. Wasting your time posting a message telling everyone what we
already know is pointless. We've already figured out how to "turn the knob."

I find it interesting that you'd make this response.

It IS a "free country, as you stated, but a police officer, of all people,
would understand that there are also limits to individual freedom.

Perhaps, if he were to have prefaced his statement with the words
"Absent any laws which prohibit......" first, you would have had less
trouble accepting it?


Dave


Well, yes, and no.
Usenet, in general, isn't structured with "laws". Different ISP's and news
servers have (more or less) similar Terms of Service policies. Different groups
have individual Charters and FAQ's, and the whole of it comes under Usenet
Etiquette. None of this is "law". Most reasonable people abide by the
principles.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
...as you were. :o)


Help me out here, I'm hard-pressed to recall a posting string you
originated that was directly related to recreational boating. Have I
missed the last 20 original bon mots of yours that related to
recreational boating?

As we age, our memory slips a bit. Perhaps you were busy posting.

On 10/30, you posted a response to a post about a computer virus...then
there were about a dozen posts about audiophile topies...about 30
concerning off-topic posts...then something about a freighter sinking in
Albany...then about 20 complaining about me...

I haven't been around as much as I normally would like to be.
If it matters, my mother is quite ill. We all have "real life" problems now and
then.


Ahh. Sorry to hear that.




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....and you're all still missing the point. it's nothing to do with free
speech, news group police, name calling.
it's "rec.boats"

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 11:37:10 -0500, "Dave" wrote:

It's been many months since I visited this newsgroup. I used to check in
every few days or so, but haven't had the luxury of doing so for a long
time
because of demands on my time from work. I see from the first 1000
messages
I've downloaded this morning, that a relatively small percentage of the
posts here actually have anything to do with boating. Seems a handful of
loudmouths have pretty much monopolized the group filling it with
politics
and personal snipping ... very disappointing. Thanks to all you
blowhards
for ruining what was supposed to be a forum for boating; maybe some of
you
self-aggrandized mental giants can suggest where one might find a boating
forum that actually deals with boating?


Try this: http://www.tidalfish.com/home.asp
Just don't tell anyone else. Keep in mind that the boating season is over
for
many of us. I could report on each occasion I put the charger on my
batteries,
but that would get old quickly.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

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noah wrote:
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:18:36 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:52:20 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:19:13 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

noah wrote:

On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 23:48:17 GMT, "swatcop"
wrote:



The "gist" of my message was supposed to be read as "there isn't any
newsgroup police, therefore your rude and stupid posts may be legal, but
certainly not desired. The readers' options are limited, so we'll just tune
you out."

Do I think he's an idiot? You betcha.' Are the "newsgroup police" going to
make an arrest for unwanted posting? I seriously doubt it. Is he allowed to
do it? Yep, all day, everyday. Does anybody want to read his crap? Probably
not, which is why we have the ability to choose whether or not to read his
crap. Don't misinterpret my originally posted poorly worded analogy as being
on his side, I assure you that I'm not. But there's no law prohibiting him
from being an idiot (unfortunately). So I guess we'll just ignore him.

Actually, there are "newsgroup police", but not here.

Just so I understand you correctly, who is "he" and "him"?

You seem to be suggesting that "anything goes", but I may have it
wrong.



You're an ass, Noah. But you are entitled to be one.

Thanks for your consent, Harry. I don't know what I would have done without it.

You know, for a guy with your apparent intelligence, and obvious verbal skills,
you never fail to initiate name calling and personal insults. I once valued
your opinion, but no more. It is as valueless as your "debating style".

I strongly disagree with the Off-topic posting taking over this group. If that
makes me an ass, I'll live with it.
Regards,
noah


Nah...it's not that you disagree that makes you an ass, Noah. It's the
way you disagree.

On the off-chance that you are being sincere, can you be specific?
I think I have been pretty straightforward, without the name-calling.
Regards,
noah

To email me, remove the "OT-" from OT-wrecked.boats.noah.
...as you were. :o)


Sure, I *can* be specific.

...I thought as much. Disappointing.

Regards,
noah



Why do you think you're worth the bother, Noah?



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noah wrote:


Why do you think you're worth the bother, Noah?

LOL! Perhaps because I gave you the respect of asking???

Please.

Perhaps because I saw you as a leader in this group?

Where's that damned airsick bag when you need it? Some poster here
called me the "Alpha Male" of the newsgroup a week or so ago. I almost
choked on my Kal-Kan.

Perhaps because I thought we might have a rational discussion?
As far as "worth the bother", I'm sure that you have far more
important things to do. Happy Holidays, Harry.

To put it into a single phrase, Noah, methinks you protest too much.
Have a glass of wine and don't worry about it. This newsgroup was way
off-topic when I first visited it about 10 years ago. The only thing
that has changed is that as the righties proliferated, it got more
off-topic and vile.

Nothing much important to do tonight. My bride singlehandedly increased
"national consumer confidence" at the malls today, and I played my usual
role as package toter and designated driver. I'vo got a wood workbench I
sawed out and finished to assemble so I can use it, but just don't feel
like it. Drove on a bridge over the Pax River today and nary a boat was
out on the water. Flat as a sheet of glass, looked like water looks just
before it ices over.

Happy Holidays to you, too. With one exception, *all* my clients are
shut down from the 22nd to the first full week of January. But the
creator is compensating for me; I have a household full of in-laws
visiting.


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noah wrote:

Where's that damned airsick bag when you need it? Some poster here
called me the "Alpha Male" of the newsgroup a week or so ago. I almost
choked on my Kal-Kan.

I'm not that delusional, or impressed. :o)
Although I do believe that you influence the group for better or
worse.

I don't think so, but you are entitled to your opinions.



Perhaps because I thought we might have a rational discussion?
As far as "worth the bother", I'm sure that you have far more
important things to do. Happy Holidays, Harry.

To put it into a single phrase, Noah, methinks you protest too much.
Have a glass of wine and don't worry about it. This newsgroup was way
off-topic when I first visited it about 10 years ago. The only thing
that has changed is that as the righties proliferated, it got more
off-topic and vile.

We disagree. I will state what I think, as you do.
When you came around (at least with the "Harry" nic, around 1995),
there was little OT posting. It didn't hit "high-gear" until '98-'99.
I would have no problem with "some" OT. I'm not the school-marm type.
It is taking over the group, and that (IMO) isn't right.

Why don't you direct some of your displeasure at the righties?





Nothing much important to do tonight. My bride singlehandedly increased
"national consumer confidence" at the malls today, and I played my usual
role as package toter and designated driver. I'vo got a wood workbench I
sawed out and finished to assemble so I can use it, but just don't feel
like it. Drove on a bridge over the Pax River today and nary a boat was
out on the water. Flat as a sheet of glass, looked like water looks just
before it ices over.

Good for your bride. She *needs* to spend your money! You have way
too much for a liberal Democrat! :o)

Hmmm. Actually, she was spending her money.


I drove (nearly) the length of the Mohawk River (NYS Barge Canal)
today, and didn't see one boat except for a sweet CC with twin Merc's,
under tow. It looked like an offshore, and I have no idea what they
were doing up here. It is a bit icy, chunky, and white. Did see one
flock of about 200 Mallard ducks coming off the river near
Canajoharie, headed South- a pretty sight.


We were visited by about a zillion geese and ducks who I suppose are
headed to Bal Harbour or wherever they winter. You think they're
attracted by the bags of corn I toss out and the "Hunters Will Be Shot
on Sight" signs I post?





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noah wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 20:32:47 -0500, Harry Krause
wrote:



I drove (nearly) the length of the Mohawk River (NYS Barge Canal)
today, and didn't see one boat except for a sweet CC with twin Merc's,
under tow. It looked like an offshore, and I have no idea what they
were doing up here. It is a bit icy, chunky, and white. Did see one
flock of about 200 Mallard ducks coming off the river near
Canajoharie, headed South- a pretty sight.


We were visited by about a zillion geese and ducks who I suppose are
headed to Bal Harbour or wherever they winter. You think they're
attracted by the bags of corn I toss out and the "Hunters Will Be Shot
on Sight" signs I post?

They are beautiful, aren't they?
I do hunt them, I'll be honest, but they are wonderful birds.

Regards,
noah


One of the most beautiful sights boaters on the Bay here see in the late
fall: the geese on their way south. It's a breathtaking thing to see:
huge flights, hundreds and sometimes a thousand birds in a vee that
stretches as far as the eye can see.


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