jps wrote:

We hired the village idiot to run the country.

When did b'asskisser become president?

-- Charlie

Eisboch wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote:
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch



You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude, "The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments that it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.



Gould,

Nice of you to practice amateur human psychology, but sometimes you
think too much. My comment had nothing to do with being a liberal,
moderate or conservative. It had to do with my belief that in a
political debate, your opponent's family issues should be off limits.
Period.

If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter. I could be wrong.

Eisboch


Dubya Dopey made "gayness" and "gay marriage" an issue in this campaign
and, to his credit, Grumpy Dick and Lynn Vader feel it shouldn't be. I
certainly can appreciate, though, that to save face, Grumpy Dick has to
support his boss, even if he is winking when he does it.





--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:10:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter.
I could be wrong.

Not specifically, but...

IFILL: The next question goes to you, Mr. Vice President.

I want to read something you said four years ago at this very setting:
"Freedom means freedom for everybody." You said it again recently when you
were asked about legalizing same-sex unions. And you used your family's
experience as a context for your remarks.

Can you describe then your administration's support for a constitutional
ban on same-sex unions?

In article ,
says...


jps wrote:

We hired the village idiot to run the country.

When did b'asskisser become president?

-- Charlie

There's more than one village in the country. Are you running this
year?

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:30:35 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.

Jeez Wilbur, were we watching the same debate? Edwards was very
deferential to Cheney on his choice to support his family over Bush
policy.

Remind me not to go to Florida if I have a cavity.
Edwards too a shot regarding Cheney's daughter and if you didn't
see it, you may or may not be partisan, but you would be lacking
in observational subtleties.

Have a look at the transcript. Edwards kind comment (which Cheney
thanked him for) didn't materialize from thin air, IIRC it was in
response to a question about gay marriage.

Partisan foolery on your part.

That's okay. I'm feeling pretty generous right now since all the polls
are heading my way.

jps

Charles wrote in message ...
jps wrote:

We hired the village idiot to run the country.

When did b'asskisser become president?

-- Charlie

Are you trying to make a point, or just being stupid, as usual?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

"JimH" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, perhaps you've, again, been mistaken about what was said? I'll
bet you think that in the above, that I've done what I'm saying isn't
called for? Pray tell, what name DID I call you?
Do you think it's an adult like act to call people petty little names?
I say third grade like, because my daughter, who's in fourth grade,
knows more than to do things like that.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the
subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the
subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for
all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on
Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely
that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a
moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.



Stumpyjust doesn't get it. snicker