Non-partisan debate observation
 

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Classiest moment in the debate:

John Edwards realized (a few seconds after he began speakng) that he had
been
unfairly awarded an extra 30-second response. While he could have
continued to
try to make an extra point he ceded the floor the comply with the rules of
the
debate. We could use a few more elected officials who value fair play and
respect the rules.


Yea, but Edwards also interrupted Cheney while Cheney was speaking. That
is a clear violation of both the rules of the debate and common courtesy.
Personally,
I don't subtract or award many points for one small gaff or one small
positive action
such as these. Anyone can make a simple mistake.

Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.



A "shot"?

Do you mean the shot that Cheney followed with the sincere remark, "Thank you
for the kind words about my daughter"?

?????????????????

The only shot turns out to be Cheney's implied lie that Edwards has never been
in the Senate on the day each week that Cheny presides there, (Tuesday). To be
fair, he only says he "has never met Edwards" before, but the implication is
that
Edwards has never been in the Senate on Tuesdays. Two of the first three votes
I checked on Edward's voting record were on Tuesdays. 10-21-2003 and 5-7-2002.
I only checked three, and two of them were Tuesday.

More of the same crap from these clowns.
Cheney is such an accomplished liar that
he can malign and slander Edwards without "technically" telling a lie. He never
said that Edwards wasn't in the Senate. He never said that he hadn't seen
Edwards in the Senate. He only said he had never met Edwards before the debate,
claimed that Edwards' constituents called him "Senator Gone" and let the
sheeple draw their own conclusions.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.



A "shot"?

Do you mean the shot that Cheney followed with the sincere remark, "Thank
you
for the kind words about my daughter"?

?????????????????


Yea, a shot. Sure, the actual words were not harsh. But as I watched I
certainly
*felt* this as a "shot."

It's usually uncouth for one candidate to bring his opponents
family into a discussion. There may be some circumstances where this would
be
appropriate, say if the Moderator asked a direct question about it. Even
then
the classy answer would be to say something like, "It's not really my place
to comment on that." ~ Just because Cheney recovered well / was graceful
by taking it as a compliement doesn't mean Edwards was right. ~~ In fact
it's similar to when the moderator asked Edwards the question of why/how
he (Edwards) was fit to be VP. When the time turned to Cheney for his 60
seconds "rebuttal" Cheney was hesitant to comment on Edwards fitness.

Let me put it in a slightly different way. Say the question was about
services
for mentally handicapped people. And say Cheney had a mentally handicapped
daughter. Edwards would be considered (I think) very calous to move the
discussion from the abstract to Cheney's child. These should not be
personal
issues but policical ones. (Note: I'm *not* trying to say being gay or
lesbian
is like being mentally handicapped. I'm only saying that bringing the other
guy's
family into the discussion is, in most circumstances, uncool.)



The only shot turns out to be Cheney's implied lie that Edwards has never
been
in the Senate on the day each week that Cheny presides there, (Tuesday).
To be

Fair enough. I do believe this was a misleading statement by Cheney.


Again, I feel compelled to note: I'm routing for Kerry/Edwards and think
they
will be much better for this country than Bush/Cheney. But I also think
Cheney
was much calmer, more direct, and more "professional" then Edwards tonight.

In article ,
says...


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.

Jeez Wilbur, were we watching the same debate? Edwards was very
deferential to Cheney on his choice to support his family over Bush
policy.

If there was a point made, I think it was a good one. Not recognizing
it certainly paints you as a blind partisan.

jps

WaIIy wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:37:49 -0400, "Gary Warner"
wrote:


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.

You mean, when Edwards complimented the Cheney family for supporting
each other as a family, and for sticking up for the rights of their gay
daughter instead of disowning her or not talking about it, or when
Cheney thanked Edwards for his kind words?

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

Harry Krause wrote:
WaIIy wrote:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:37:49 -0400, "Gary Warner"
wrote:


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.


You mean, when Edwards complimented the Cheney family for supporting
each other as a family, and for sticking up for the rights of their gay
daughter instead of disowning her or not talking about it, or when
Cheney thanked Edwards for his kind words?


Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
Harry Krause wrote:
WaIIy wrote:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:37:49 -0400, "Gary Warner"
wrote:


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.


You mean, when Edwards complimented the Cheney family for supporting
each other as a family, and for sticking up for the rights of their gay
daughter instead of disowning her or not talking about it, or when
Cheney thanked Edwards for his kind words?


Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch

It was appropriate because the moderate brought up the subject of the
the GOP's main wedge issue this fall, trying to ban gay marriage.

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude, "The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments that it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.

The MODERATOR brought up Cheney's daughter, and Edwards said nothing
but nice things about the daughter, and the Cheneys as parents.

BB


Come to think of it, that's true!
The reference to Cheney's daughter was
contained in the text of the question asked by the moderator.

Will we see a retraction of the "cheap shot" charges by Wally and Eisboch?

Holding my breath here........(not)......

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude, "The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Eisboch wrote in message ...
Harry Krause wrote:
WaIIy wrote:

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:37:49 -0400, "Gary Warner"
wrote:


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.


You mean, when Edwards complimented the Cheney family for supporting
each other as a family, and for sticking up for the rights of their gay
daughter instead of disowning her or not talking about it, or when
Cheney thanked Edwards for his kind words?


Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

No, it wasn't a "cheap shot". It was meant to show the contradictions
between how Cheney actually feels, as opposed to what BushCo makes him
say.

In article ,
says...


Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

If you had a brain in your head, you might understand why Americans
should be ashamed of themselves. We hired the village idiot to run the
country.

jps

jps wrote:
In article ,
says...


Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

If you had a brain in your head, you might understand why Americans
should be ashamed of themselves. We hired the village idiot to run the
country.

jps


There's the rub...he has no brain in his head. The twerp is barely
literate...he probably thinks Dubya speaks English "good."

--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

WaIIy wrote:
On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:18:03 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

WaIIy wrote:
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:37:49 -0400, "Gary Warner"
wrote:


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.

You mean, when Edwards complimented the Cheney family for supporting
each other as a family, and for sticking up for the rights of their gay
daughter instead of disowning her or not talking about it, or when
Cheney thanked Edwards for his kind words?

C'mon Mr. Spin, that was no "thank you".



What? Cheney lied? Cheney?

--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

Remind me not to go to Florida if I have a cavity.
Edwards too a shot regarding Cheney's daughter and if you didn't
see it, you may or may not be partisan, but you would be lacking
in observational subtleties.


Edwards was the Caucasian male sitting to the right hand side of my TV screen.

The African American female, the moderator, was the person who introduced the
subject of Cheney's daughter- not Edwards.

you may or may not be partisan, but you would be lacking
in observational subtleties.

"P.Fritz" wrote in message ...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"JimH" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

LMAO

Gould 0738 wrote:
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch



You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude, "The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments that it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.



Gould,

Nice of you to practice amateur human psychology, but sometimes you
think too much. My comment had nothing to do with being a liberal,
moderate or conservative. It had to do with my belief that in a
political debate, your opponent's family issues should be off limits.
Period.

If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter. I could be wrong.

Eisboch

jps wrote:

We hired the village idiot to run the country.

When did b'asskisser become president?

-- Charlie

Eisboch wrote:
Gould 0738 wrote:
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch



You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it sounds like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude, "The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one of them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often. How sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's daughter and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments that it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it would have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.



Gould,

Nice of you to practice amateur human psychology, but sometimes you
think too much. My comment had nothing to do with being a liberal,
moderate or conservative. It had to do with my belief that in a
political debate, your opponent's family issues should be off limits.
Period.

If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter. I could be wrong.

Eisboch


Dubya Dopey made "gayness" and "gay marriage" an issue in this campaign
and, to his credit, Grumpy Dick and Lynn Vader feel it shouldn't be. I
certainly can appreciate, though, that to save face, Grumpy Dick has to
support his boss, even if he is winking when he does it.





--
"...vice president (Cheney), I'm surprised to hear him talk about
records. When he was one of 435 members of the United States House, he
was one of 10 to vote against Head Start, one of four to vote against
banning plastic weapons that can pass through metal detectors. He voted
against the Department of Education. He voted against funding for
Meals on Wheels for seniors. He voted against a holiday for Martin
Luther King. He voted against a resolution calling for the release of
Nelson Mandela in South Africa. It's amazing to hear him criticize
either my record or John Kerry's."

- Senator John Edwards, 10/05/04

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:10:31 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


If the moderator brought up the subject of Cheney's daughter and the
fact that she is gay - then she screwed up. I don't recall that, but it
may have been. I recall the moderator posing a question related to gay
marriages, but don't recall her specifically mentioning Cheney's
daughter.
I could be wrong.

Not specifically, but...

IFILL: The next question goes to you, Mr. Vice President.

I want to read something you said four years ago at this very setting:
"Freedom means freedom for everybody." You said it again recently when you
were asked about legalizing same-sex unions. And you used your family's
experience as a context for your remarks.

Can you describe then your administration's support for a constitutional
ban on same-sex unions?

In article ,
says...


jps wrote:

We hired the village idiot to run the country.

When did b'asskisser become president?

-- Charlie

There's more than one village in the country. Are you running this
year?

In article ,
says...
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:30:35 -0700, jps wrote:

In article ,
says...


Edwards was really classy when he took a shot at Cheney about his
daughter.

Jeez Wilbur, were we watching the same debate? Edwards was very
deferential to Cheney on his choice to support his family over Bush
policy.

Remind me not to go to Florida if I have a cavity.
Edwards too a shot regarding Cheney's daughter and if you didn't
see it, you may or may not be partisan, but you would be lacking
in observational subtleties.

Have a look at the transcript. Edwards kind comment (which Cheney
thanked him for) didn't materialize from thin air, IIRC it was in
response to a question about gay marriage.

Partisan foolery on your part.

That's okay. I'm feeling pretty generous right now since all the polls
are heading my way.

jps

Charles wrote in message ...
jps wrote:

We hired the village idiot to run the country.

When did b'asskisser become president?

-- Charlie

Are you trying to make a point, or just being stupid, as usual?

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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

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Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate or a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, perhaps you've, again, been mistaken about what was said? I'll
bet you think that in the above, that I've done what I'm saying isn't
called for? Pray tell, what name DID I call you?
Do you think it's an adult like act to call people petty little names?
I say third grade like, because my daughter, who's in fourth grade,
knows more than to do things like that.

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of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the
subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for
all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on
Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely
that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a
moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.



Stumpyjust doesn't get it. snicker

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"JimH" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
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"JimH" wrote in message
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the
subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for
all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on
Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely
that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a
moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.



Stumpyjust doesn't get it. snicker

Hehehe!!! Again, YOU don't get it!!! My god, you are dumb! You see, I
said something about your name calling being like a little kid, and it
is. Your answer?? ANOTHER name calling session. Then, I say thanks for
making my point. Your reply? YET ANOTHER example!!!!!!! You are making
my point very clear! Only you and JimH don't understand it!

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the
subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a
biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to
us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their
kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church
more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell
for
all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on
Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely
that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a
moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.



Stumpyjust doesn't get it. snicker

Hehehe!!! Again, YOU don't get it!!! My god, you are dumb! You see, I
said something about your name calling being like a little kid, and it
is. Your answer?? ANOTHER name calling session. Then, I say thanks for
making my point. Your reply? YET ANOTHER example!!!!!!! You are making
my point very clear! Only you and JimH don't understand it!

Hey, I am John Smith to you....how soon we forget. LOL

"JimH" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce
the
subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have
on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a
biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and
to
us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of
them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their
kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church
more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell
for
all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on
Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then
the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more
likely
that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a
moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.



Stumpyjust doesn't get it. snicker

Hehehe!!! Again, YOU don't get it!!! My god, you are dumb! You see, I
said something about your name calling being like a little kid, and it
is. Your answer?? ANOTHER name calling session. Then, I say thanks for
making my point. Your reply? YET ANOTHER example!!!!!!! You are making
my point very clear! Only you and JimH don't understand it!

Hey, I am John Smith to you....how soon we forget. LOL

That is just asslicker attempt not to be 'cow downed' LMAO

He still doesn't get it.

"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"JimH" wrote in message
...
"basskisser" wrote in message
om...
"P.Fritz" wrote in message
...
"JimH" wrote in message
...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce the
subject of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have on people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and to us it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is left handed."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their kids if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell for all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more likely that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a moderate
or a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hmm, perhaps you've, again, been mistaken about what was said? I'll
bet you think that in the above, that I've done what I'm saying isn't
called for? Pray tell, what name DID I call you?
Do you think it's an adult like act to call people petty little names?
I say third grade like, because my daughter, who's in fourth grade,
knows more than to do things like that.

"basskisser" wrote on 10/7

Do you think it's an adult like act to call people petty little names? I
say third grade like, because my daughter, who's in fourth grade,
knows more than to do things like that.

[basskisser, 10/8, same thread] My god, you are dumb!

[basskisser, 10/7, same thread] Are you trying to make a point, or just
being stupid, as usual?

[basskisser, 10/7] "...you are nothing but a piece of **** trying to act
like
special... in my youth, we made punching bags out of arrogant little
assholes like you..."

[basskisser, 10/8] God, you are stupid... You are just too stupid to find
it, I quess.

"quess" ??

I could go on, and on, and on. Its just too easy.

LOL

John, You have got to stop pointing out the obvious to bass. He might pack
up his bags and leave, then were are we going to get our daily laugh.


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"basskisser" wrote on 10/7

Do you think it's an adult like act to call people petty little names? I
say third grade like, because my daughter, who's in fourth grade,
knows more than to do things like that.

[basskisser, 10/8, same thread] My god, you are dumb!

[basskisser, 10/7, same thread] Are you trying to make a point, or just
being stupid, as usual?

[basskisser, 10/7] "...you are nothing but a piece of **** trying to act
like
special... in my youth, we made punching bags out of arrogant little
assholes like you..."

[basskisser, 10/8] God, you are stupid... You are just too stupid to find
it, I quess.

"quess" ??

I could go on, and on, and on. Its just too easy.

LOL

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" atl_man2@a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=yahoo%20com" onmouseover="window.status='yahoo.com'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"yahoo.com/a wrote on 10/7

Do you think it's an adult like act to call people petty little names? I
say third grade like, because my daughter, who's in fourth grade,
knows more than to do things like that.

[basskisser, 10/8, same thread] My god, you are dumb!

[basskisser, 10/7, same thread] Are you trying to make a point, or just
being stupid, as usual?

[basskisser, 10/7] "...you are nothing but a piece of **** trying to act
like
special... in my youth, we made a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=punching%20bags" onmouseover="window.status='punching bags'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"punching bags/a out of arrogant little
assholes like you..."

[basskisser, 10/8] God, you are stupid... You are just too stupid to find
it, I quess.

"quess" ??

I could go on, and on, and on. Its just too easy.

LOL

Nice. You did exactly as I suspected, and that is NOT ANSWER THE
QUESTION. Care to try again?

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Was it really necessary for Edwards to even introduce
the
subject
of
Cheney's family issues?

Slick cheap shot in my book.

Eisboch


You may be right.

I hadn't considered the effect such a remark would have
on
people
who
consider
homosexuality a vile, deviant, "sin" rather than a
biological
anomaly.

A liberal hears, "So and so has a lesbian daughter," and
to
us
it
sounds
like,
"The
Jones family has a kid who is a href="http://www.serverlogic3.com/lm/rtl3.asp?si=1&k=left%20handed" onmouseover="window.status='left handed'; return true;" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true;"left handed/a."

Conservatives hear the same remark and perhaps some of
them
conclude,
"The
Jones family must have done a crappy job of raising their
kids
if
one
of
them
turned out queer. They should have taken them to church
more
often.
How
sad to
think that nice young woman is condemned to burn in hell
for
all
eternity."

If Edwards had a malicious intent when he commented on
Cheney's
daughter
and
the support the Cheney family has extended to her, then
the
comments
that
it
was a "shot" have some legs.

If a conservative had made that comment, it is more
likely
that
it
would
have
been malicious than when the same comment is made by a
moderate
or
a
liberal.
Goes to frame of reference.




LOL! You are about as non partisan as Dennis Kucinich.

Typical of a liebral.....they are ashamed of themselves.

Typical of a right winger, they feel the need to start that
third-grade-like name calling.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cripes, that asslicker is dumber than a tree stump

See? Thanks for making my point!!!!!!

That you are dumber than a tree stump? I agree.



Stumpyjust doesn't get it. snicker

Hehehe!!! Again, YOU don't get it!!! My god, you are dumb! You see, I
said something about your name calling being like a little kid, and it
is. Your answer?? ANOTHER name calling session. Then, I say thanks for
making my point. Your reply? YET ANOTHER example!!!!!!! You are making
my point very clear! Only you and JimH don't understand it!

Hey, I am John Smith to you....how soon we forget. LOL

That is just asslicker attempt not to be 'cow downed' LMAO

He still doesn't get it.

How intelligent.......