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JohnH December 14th 03 01:13 PM

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all the congratulatory messages from Harry, jps, basskisser, gould, et al.
our capture of Saddam. Harry, I could imagine the glee in your eyes when you
came across the video of the Iraqi getting (supposedly) murdered by a Marine
after being wounded. Yes, I would call it murder, if it occurred. I have doubts
about the authenticity of the video. For one thing, why has it not been shown on
any of the networks? Surely, if it were substantiatable, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.
would showing it every five minutes.

The US just fined a soldier about $5000 for shooting a pistol near a man's head.
The officer is undoubtedly being forced to retire early. How do you reconcile
this action with the "inaction" for the shooting depicted in your little video.

Well guys, how do you turn this into a negative for the administration? This
should be cute.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

DSK December 14th 03 03:30 PM

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JohnH wrote:

all the congratulatory messages from Harry, jps, basskisser, gould, et al.
our capture of Saddam.


I don't know if I'm included in "et al" but I say congrats and job well done. I
really hope the attacks in Iraq drop off now. If he was captured with $3/4 mill in
cash then he was probably financing a lot of trouble (or perhaps it was merely his
kitty for bribing people to help him hide). In any event, it's a big success.


Harry, I could imagine the glee in your eyes when you
came across the video of the Iraqi getting (supposedly) murdered by a Marine
after being wounded. Yes, I would call it murder, if it occurred. I have doubts
about the authenticity of the video. For one thing, why has it not been shown on
any of the networks? Surely, if it were substantiatable, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.
would showing it every five minutes.

The US just fined a soldier about $5000 for shooting a pistol near a man's head.
The officer is undoubtedly being forced to retire early. How do you reconcile
this action with the "inaction" for the shooting depicted in your little video.


Same way I reconcile the My Lai massacre or the Phoenix program with the Memorial
Wall. There are some bad people in every big organization. There are some good
people who occasionally do bad things. Not everything that denigrates BushCo or the
Army _has_ to be a fake just because you wish it to be so.

What do you think about the blockbuster bomb they dropped to try and get Saddam at
the war's opening? They bragged plenty about it for two or three days, then shut up
quickly and haven't heard a word since. Does that mean it suddenly didn't happen,
it's become un-history? The US murdered a whole block in downtown Baghdad to get one
man. And didn't get that man until now. Let's see more denials about 'collateral
damage.'




Well guys, how do you turn this into a negative for the administration? This
should be cute.


That's already too long of a list.

DSK



JohnH December 14th 03 03:48 PM

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:30:32 -0500, DSK wrote:

JohnH wrote:

all the congratulatory messages from Harry, jps, basskisser, gould, et al.
our capture of Saddam.


I don't know if I'm included in "et al" but I say congrats and job well done. I
really hope the attacks in Iraq drop off now. If he was captured with $3/4 mill in
cash then he was probably financing a lot of trouble (or perhaps it was merely his
kitty for bribing people to help him hide). In any event, it's a big success.


Harry, I could imagine the glee in your eyes when you
came across the video of the Iraqi getting (supposedly) murdered by a Marine
after being wounded. Yes, I would call it murder, if it occurred. I have doubts
about the authenticity of the video. For one thing, why has it not been shown on
any of the networks? Surely, if it were substantiatable, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.
would showing it every five minutes.

The US just fined a soldier about $5000 for shooting a pistol near a man's head.
The officer is undoubtedly being forced to retire early. How do you reconcile
this action with the "inaction" for the shooting depicted in your little video.


Same way I reconcile the My Lai massacre or the Phoenix program with the Memorial
Wall. There are some bad people in every big organization. There are some good
people who occasionally do bad things. Not everything that denigrates BushCo or the
Army _has_ to be a fake just because you wish it to be so.

What do you think about the blockbuster bomb they dropped to try and get Saddam at
the war's opening? They bragged plenty about it for two or three days, then shut up
quickly and haven't heard a word since. Does that mean it suddenly didn't happen,
it's become un-history? The US murdered a whole block in downtown Baghdad to get one
man. And didn't get that man until now. Let's see more denials about 'collateral
damage.'




Well guys, how do you turn this into a negative for the administration? This
should be cute.


That's already too long of a list.

DSK


You miss the point, I think. If the Uniform Code of Military Justice is applied
to a Colonel who fires a pistol to scare someone, then I would expect the UCMJ
to be applied to a Marine who shoots a wounded, unarmed (if that be the case)
Iraqi. That would not be collateral damage. It would, if it occurred as
depicted, be murder. Collateral damage is, by definition, unintended. The
shooting of the Iraqi, as depicted, was intended. I see no comparison.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

DSK December 14th 03 04:12 PM

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JohnH wrote:

You miss the point, I think.


Not at all. Why so quick to jump to that conclusion? Did you read all of my post?


If the Uniform Code of Military Justice is applied
to a Colonel who fires a pistol to scare someone, then I would expect the UCMJ
to be applied to a Marine who shoots a wounded, unarmed (if that be the case)
Iraqi.


I would expect so too, but it doesn't always happen that way. All it would take is for
the people who were there at the scene to be unwilling to step forward and put up
charges.


That would not be collateral damage. It would, if it occurred as
depicted, be murder.


Agreed. And it has happened many many times.


Collateral damage is, by definition, unintended. The
shooting of the Iraqi, as depicted, was intended. I see no comparison.


My mention of collateral damage was referring to a different case entirely.

DSK


Gould 0738 December 14th 03 04:30 PM

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John H wrote:

all the congratulatory messages from Harry, jps, basskisser, gould, et al.

our capture of Saddam.


You're not very patient. It's just after 8 AM on the W coast, on a Sunday
morning.

Go and fornicate yourself, John.

Don't you ever dare to post an implication that I don't wish the best for this
country and our 300 million fellow citizens. Your screwed up perspective is
that you, only you, and those who think exactly like you have the only valid
opinions about how our society should run and what direction national policies
should take.

You shouldn't believe everything you hear on Rush Limbaugh. The high percentage
of Americans who disagree with your views are not traitors or national enemies.


Yes, I'm damn glad he's caught.
With the billions of dollars spent on an ill-advised war and the toll the
entire adventure has taken on US credibility throughout the world, it's
gratifiying to see that we have *something* tangible to show for it.

But let me ask you this- does capturing a tyrant suddenly mean that all the
statements Bush made to get us into Iraq
in the firtst place are suddenly any more true than they were this time
yesterday?

Let's hope the insurgency tapers off in Iraq.
If it does not, people will begin questioning the war more than ever - once the
capture of SH is old news.

JohnH December 14th 03 04:46 PM

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On 14 Dec 2003 16:30:58 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

John H wrote:

all the congratulatory messages from Harry, jps, basskisser, gould, et al.

our capture of Saddam.


You're not very patient. It's just after 8 AM on the W coast, on a Sunday
morning.

Go and fornicate yourself, John.

Don't you ever dare to post an implication that I don't wish the best for this
country and our 300 million fellow citizens. Your screwed up perspective is
that you, only you, and those who think exactly like you have the only valid
opinions about how our society should run and what direction national policies
should take.

You shouldn't believe everything you hear on Rush Limbaugh. The high percentage
of Americans who disagree with your views are not traitors or national enemies.


Yes, I'm damn glad he's caught.
With the billions of dollars spent on an ill-advised war and the toll the
entire adventure has taken on US credibility throughout the world, it's
gratifiying to see that we have *something* tangible to show for it.

But let me ask you this- does capturing a tyrant suddenly mean that all the
statements Bush made to get us into Iraq
in the firtst place are suddenly any more true than they were this time
yesterday?

Let's hope the insurgency tapers off in Iraq.
If it does not, people will begin questioning the war more than ever - once the
capture of SH is old news.


Jeees. Where did I make this implication to which you refer? How much do I
listen to Rush? I disagree with about 75% of Rush's statements. Catching Saddam
has nothing to do with the truth of the statements Bush made. I believe Bush
made his statements in good faith. You, et al, don't. Or at least you say you
don't to maintain the party line.

Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam. As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why? Could it be because they
can't come up wit a way to put a negative spin on it?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Harry Krause December 14th 03 05:02 PM

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JohnH wrote:


Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam. As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why? Could it be because they
can't come up wit a way to put a negative spin on it?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD



I've commented on the capture of Saddam. It's good that he's been
captured and will be the subject of a showy trial, but I don't think it
is a big deal. He hasn't been the head of state in Iraq for what, seven
months? And it took all of Bush's horses and all of Bush's men to find him?

Our invasion of Iraq wasn't the equivalent of the liberation of Belgium
or even the siege and relief of Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge.
In Iraq, we took on a fifth-rate power whose uniformed military forces
collapsed shortly after we arrived.

I know you Conservatives want to make the toppling of Saddam the
greatest thing since sliced bread, but, in reality, all it is is a minor
positive blip in a sadly mistaken U.S. misadventure, one aimed at
propping up a failed US president in the popularity polls.




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Gould 0738 December 14th 03 05:55 PM

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Jeees. Where did I make this implication to which you refer?

With your comment that you're "still waiting".... (and the implication that you
are likely waiting in vain)....for any comment from several people, myself
specifically named in the group, expressing any satisfaction that Saddam
Hussein has been brought to ground.

Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam.


Nobody is responsible for Harry except Harry.

As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why


Could be because he's still asleep? Or, unlike some of us, doesn't respond to
momentous news by making a bee line for rec.boats?



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JohnH December 14th 03 06:02 PM

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:02:51 -0500, Harry Krause wrote:

JohnH wrote:


Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam. As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why? Could it be because they
can't come up wit a way to put a negative spin on it?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD



I've commented on the capture of Saddam. It's good that he's been
captured and will be the subject of a showy trial, but I don't think it
is a big deal. He hasn't been the head of state in Iraq for what, seven
months? And it took all of Bush's horses and all of Bush's men to find him?


I doubt if a trial will be held soon. I think he will undergo some interrogation
first. Of course, many libs will say he's being mistreated, but we'll have to
live with that. I'm sure there's a bunch already complaining about his 'lice
check' being televised.

Our invasion of Iraq wasn't the equivalent of the liberation of Belgium
or even the siege and relief of Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge.
In Iraq, we took on a fifth-rate power whose uniformed military forces
collapsed shortly after we arrived.


Tell that to the next hundred thousand about to go into mass graves.


I know you Conservatives want to make the toppling of Saddam the
greatest thing since sliced bread, but, in reality, all it is is a minor
positive blip in a sadly mistaken U.S. misadventure, one aimed at
propping up a failed US president in the popularity polls.


Well I'll be double-damned! You used the phrase "positive blip". That's the
first positive thing I've heard from you about the military, the administration,
or the USA. Times are indeed a'changing.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Gould 0738 December 14th 03 06:19 PM

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Wally, on the list of right wing people who seldom post anything except hate
mail to the NG, you're running a distant second to some broad from "down under"
something.

But keep it up. Practice makes perfect.
You too can become a puking fountain of stinking negativity if you put whatever
it is you use instead of a mind to it.

The difference between your perspective and mine is very simple. I believe you
have every right in the world to hold your opinions, (wrong as they are), and I
do not consider your obviously defective opinion (insert grin here) any sort of
threat to my own.

When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?

. Your screwed up perspective is
that you, only you, and those who think exactly like you have the only valid
opinions about how our society should run and what direction national

policies
should take.


LOL

You leftists are the only "true word", we all know that by now.



Charles December 14th 03 07:46 PM

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Gould 0738 wrote:


Nobody is responsible for Harry except Harry.


Nope, you're implicated also as a sycophant.

Stop being the apologist for this asshole. It makes you an asshole also.

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Charles December 14th 03 07:49 PM

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Gould 0738 wrote:

Wally, on the list of right wing people who seldom post anything except hate
mail to the NG, you're running a distant second to some broad from "down under"
something.


No one compares to your left-wing hate-monger krause.

Why is it that you liberals are such hypocrites?


When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?


Are you serious?

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jps December 14th 03 09:35 PM

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In article ,
88 says...

Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam. As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why? Could it be because they
can't come up wit a way to put a negative spin on it?


Wow John, couldn't wait to post this could you?

I've been reading various news sources and really didn't think of
rec.boats this morning. Now that I'm here, I'm happy to comment, as you
would expect.

I'm very pleased that scum bag is out of circulation. I'm surprised
they took him alive and even more surprised they didn't clean him up to
make him look like the leader of the insurgents. I admit that's pretty
cynical but I expect this administration to play a crooked hand.

While I could hope this slows down the conflict I expect it'll only
reinforce the anti-American sentiment in the region.

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is. They're happy
that he's caught but ****ed it wasn't Iraqis who caught him. They hate
Bush and, like us liberals, don't want to see anything that causes his
rise in popularity.

They're as aware of the political implications as we are. I expect that
may be a catalyst for increased resistance.

Truth be told, I thought if the US got his hands on Saddam that this
admin. would keep him under wraps until October of 2004. I guess Karl
Rove wasn't making the call.

jps

Joe December 14th 03 09:52 PM

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Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.


LOL!



Clams Canino December 14th 03 10:17 PM

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Time will tell.

What bothers me is those who seem to *want* an escallation of the conflict
and more dead soldiers to nibble at Bush's aproval ratings. There are
plenty of ways to oppose Bush without counting dead troops like trophies.

-W


"jps" wrote in message

While I could hope this slows down the conflict I expect it'll only
reinforce the anti-American sentiment in the region.




Harry Krause December 14th 03 10:20 PM

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WaIIy wrote:

On 14 Dec 2003 18:19:07 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Wally, on the list of right wing people who seldom post anything except hate
mail to the NG, you're running a distant second to some broad from "down under"
something.


"some broad" Nice turn of a phrase. Your respect for women is right
along with your partner in hate. The KrauseBot © learns well.


Karen Smith gets all the respect she deserves.


The difference between your perspective and mine is very simple. I believe you
have every right in the world to hold your opinions, (wrong as they are), and I
do not consider your obviously defective opinion (insert grin here) any sort of
threat to my own.

When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?


Duh, I think you can figure out that answer all by yourself.


. Your screwed up perspective is
that you, only you, and those who think exactly like you have the only valid
opinions about how our society should run and what direction national
policies
should take.

LOL

You leftists are the only "true word", we all know that by now.


Worry not, Wally. No one on the left wants to usurp your position as the
only true dumbfoch in rec.boats.



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Harry Krause December 14th 03 10:30 PM

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Clams Canino wrote:

Time will tell.

What bothers me is those who seem to *want* an escallation of the conflict
and more dead soldiers to nibble at Bush's aproval ratings. There are
plenty of ways to oppose Bush without counting dead troops like trophies.

-W


Who wants an escalation of the conflict in Iraq?

I do wonder how many more body bags it will take before more Americans
finally realize the idiocy of Bush's political war against Iraq.

Saddam has been out of the picture as a player for many months now.

Do you anticipate a drastic change in the *security* situation in Iraq?
If so, why?

Do you think with the capture of Saddam the attacks against American
troops will cease? If so, why?

Do you think the United States is any safer from international Moslem
terrorists than it was before Saddam was captured? If so, why?

Do you think the "show trial" of Saddam will be scheduled so as to
impact the U.S. election campaigns next year? If not, why not?

What do you think the impact might be of another serious and deadly
Moslem terrorist attack on the U.S. before next fall's elections?
Please elaborate.

As I stated this morning, it is good that we've captured Saddam and can
put him on trial, assuming the trial is run properly, but his capture
has little to do with the terrorist threats against us.














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Clams Canino December 14th 03 11:03 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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Who wants an escalation of the conflict in Iraq?


Any Bush detractor with a "beat Bush at any and all costs" mentality.


I do wonder how many more body bags it will take before more Americans
finally realize the idiocy of Bush's political war against Iraq.


Only time will tell on that one. The costs will have to weighed out against
the benifits. I'm afraid only after it's all over can we assess it properly.
In light of any gains or losses made. It's hard to play armchair quarterback
mid-game.

Saddam has been out of the picture as a player for many months now.


I don't know what he has or hasn't directed. I think capturing him has to
be a hell of a demotivator for his supporters though.

Do you anticipate a drastic change in the *security* situation in Iraq?
If so, why?


See above.... though I think at first there might be an escallation by
****ed off Saddam followers. But the head of the (that) snake is gone.

Do you think with the capture of Saddam the attacks against American
troops will cease? If so, why?


No... I think there are more forces at play than just Baathists. I hope they
will slow up a bit.

Do you think the United States is any safer from international Moslem
terrorists than it was before Saddam was captured? If so, why?


No. Unless he divulges any intelligence - if he has any.

Do you think the "show trial" of Saddam will be scheduled so as to
impact the U.S. election campaigns next year? If not, why not?


Given the fact that the new Iraqi Govt. will take power in late June - I
can't see how the trial *won't* be in the summer or fall. I'm sure Bush
would *like* to see Saddam hang the on the eve of balloting though. That's
politics as usual.

What do you think the impact might be of another serious and deadly
Moslem terrorist attack on the U.S. before next fall's elections?
Please elaborate.


Tough call. On one hand it could cause a "rally round the flag and the
Prez" mentality. On the other hand it could look like a big failure of Tom
Ridge and his boss. I'm hoping that *if* it happens again we begin a close
investigation and screening of all Middle Eastern types that have been here
for 10 years or less.

As I stated this morning, it is good that we've captured Saddam and can
put him on trial, assuming the trial is run properly, but his capture
has little to do with the terrorist threats against us.


I'm not sure how to run the trial "improperly"? I mean, his past crimes
against humanity are public and notorious already. I could think of a few
hundred thousand reasons to hang him. I just hope we get all the intel we
can *out* of him before he's tried and hung. It's important that any trial
held has all the trappings of fairness though. And it's important that it be
run by Iraq or the UN. And IMHO the death penalty is important here to give
real closure. As for the fundie terrorists - no, little impact. Only upside
is that they have US targets over there to strike at. I'd rather they
strike at armed US warriors than airline passengers and businessment.

-W






Harry Krause December 14th 03 11:06 PM

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Clams Canino wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
news:briob0$3od99$1@ID-

Who wants an escalation of the conflict in Iraq?


Any Bush detractor with a "beat Bush at any and all costs" mentality.


Absurd. I want Bush beaten, and beaten badly, but I don't want to see
any more people killed in Iraq, on either side.




I do wonder how many more body bags it will take before more Americans
finally realize the idiocy of Bush's political war against Iraq.


Only time will tell on that one. The costs will have to weighed out against
the benifits. I'm afraid only after it's all over can we assess it properly.
In light of any gains or losses made. It's hard to play armchair quarterback
mid-game.

Saddam has been out of the picture as a player for many months now.


I don't know what he has or hasn't directed. I think capturing him has to
be a hell of a demotivator for his supporters though.

Do you anticipate a drastic change in the *security* situation in Iraq?
If so, why?


See above.... though I think at first there might be an escallation by
****ed off Saddam followers. But the head of the (that) snake is gone.

Do you think with the capture of Saddam the attacks against American
troops will cease? If so, why?


No... I think there are more forces at play than just Baathists. I hope they
will slow up a bit.

Do you think the United States is any safer from international Moslem
terrorists than it was before Saddam was captured? If so, why?


No. Unless he divulges any intelligence - if he has any.

Do you think the "show trial" of Saddam will be scheduled so as to
impact the U.S. election campaigns next year? If not, why not?


Given the fact that the new Iraqi Govt. will take power in late June - I
can't see how the trial *won't* be in the summer or fall. I'm sure Bush
would *like* to see Saddam hang the on the eve of balloting though. That's
politics as usual.

What do you think the impact might be of another serious and deadly
Moslem terrorist attack on the U.S. before next fall's elections?
Please elaborate.


Tough call. On one hand it could cause a "rally round the flag and the
Prez" mentality. On the other hand it could look like a big failure of Tom
Ridge and his boss. I'm hoping that *if* it happens again we begin a close
investigation and screening of all Middle Eastern types that have been here
for 10 years or less.

As I stated this morning, it is good that we've captured Saddam and can
put him on trial, assuming the trial is run properly, but his capture
has little to do with the terrorist threats against us.


I'm not sure how to run the trial "improperly"? I mean, his past crimes
against humanity are public and notorious already. I could think of a few
hundred thousand reasons to hang him. I just hope we get all the intel we
can *out* of him before he's tried and hung. It's important that any trial
held has all the trappings of fairness though. And it's important that it be
run by Iraq or the UN. And IMHO the death penalty is important here to give
real closure. As for the fundie terrorists - no, little impact. Only upside
is that they have US targets over there to strike at. I'd rather they
strike at armed US warriors than airline passengers and businessment.

-W







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JohnH December 14th 03 11:53 PM

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On 14 Dec 2003 17:55:10 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Jeees. Where did I make this implication to which you refer?


With your comment that you're "still waiting".... (and the implication that you
are likely waiting in vain)....for any comment from several people, myself
specifically named in the group, expressing any satisfaction that Saddam
Hussein has been brought to ground.

Your bud, Harry, has made several posts without comment on the capture of
Saddam.


Nobody is responsible for Harry except Harry.

As yet, jps has had no comment. Wonder why


Could be because he's still asleep? Or, unlike some of us, doesn't respond to
momentous news by making a bee line for rec.boats?



http://www.tomorrowsbestseller.com/w...State/book.asp

jps not making a beeline, come on! If it were bad news, jps would have cut and
pasted a half dozen articles from his favorite newspapers by now!

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

NOYB December 15th 03 02:10 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Clams Canino wrote:

Time will tell.

What bothers me is those who seem to *want* an escallation of the

conflict
and more dead soldiers to nibble at Bush's aproval ratings. There are
plenty of ways to oppose Bush without counting dead troops like

trophies.

-W


Who wants an escalation of the conflict in Iraq?

I do wonder how many more body bags it will take before more Americans
finally realize the idiocy of Bush's political war against Iraq.

Saddam has been out of the picture as a player for many months now.

Do you anticipate a drastic change in the *security* situation in Iraq?
If so, why?


Yes and no. The Iraqi resistance will all but evaporate now that their
financier is in captivity. However, the battle-hardened al Qaeda insurgents
flooding into Afghanistan and Chechnya will continue to fight. Fortunately,
however, capturing Saddam will free up thousands of special ops forces to
confront the supply lines (both equipment and manpower).



Gould 0738 December 15th 03 04:46 AM

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Nope, you're implicated also as a sycophant.

Stop being the apologist for this asshole. It makes you an asshole also.

-- Charlie


Sigh. Here we go again.

Here's where I say, "Show me how I have apologized for Harry Krause,"

and your only response is, "You do it all the time."

IOW, arguing the point is a total waste of time.

There are 3-4 people who will agree with you- only because of an intense
dislike for me and/or Krause. Everybody else will see your accusation for the
bovine excrement it indeed is.



Gould 0738 December 15th 03 04:57 AM

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Wally, on the list of right wing people who seldom post anything except
hate
mail to the NG, you're running a distant second to some broad from "down

under"
something.


No one compares to your left-wing hate-monger krause.

Why is it that you liberals are such hypocrites?



Sometimes its important to read every word. "On the list of right wing
people....." is a clause that limits the consideration to a subgroup. That
subgroup consists of "right wing" people. I believe that "right wing" doesn't
include Harry Krause.

Harry can be exceptionally nasty. When he gets up a head of steam, he's as big
a flamer as anybody.




When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?




Are you serious?

-- Charlie



Darn right. You guys sit over in self-righteous heaven calling everybody who
disagrees with your perspective "traitors" and etc.

When was the last time anybody on the left called a right winger a "traitor"?
The liberal philosophy acknowledges that there can be more than one sincere
opinon, and that often times those opinions will disagree. (Don't worry- I have
no expectation that you would ever understand such a radical concept.)



Gould 0738 December 15th 03 05:10 AM

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"some broad" Nice turn of a phrase. Your respect for women is right
along with your partner in hate. The KrauseBot © learns well.


You know nothing about my "respect for women." Do I respect an *individual* who
makes it her life's work to personally, viciously, and continuously insult
everybody who disagrees with her. Nope. Not at all.

Do you respect the whores hanging out
on the corner? Apparently you must, if you feel all women are automatically
entitled to respect. How 'bout these nasty little pieces of work that keep
driving carloads of kids down boatramps and letting them drown? Hey, those are
women too. No fair picking and choosing, right?

Respect goes where it is earned.
I respect ladies. Some women do not act like ladies and are unworthy of
respect, as are many men who do not act like gentlemen.

I have no respect for prejudice or stupidity, regardless of gender or political
affiliation.



jps December 15th 03 08:34 AM

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In article ,
says...

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.


LOL!


Yes, God forbid you actually look at the situation from the other camp's
view.

You might learn something.

What arrogance.

basskisser December 15th 03 12:20 PM

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JohnH wrote in message . ..
all the congratulatory messages from Harry, jps, basskisser, gould, et al.
our capture of Saddam. Harry, I could imagine the glee in your eyes when you
came across the video of the Iraqi getting (supposedly) murdered by a Marine
after being wounded. Yes, I would call it murder, if it occurred. I have doubts
about the authenticity of the video. For one thing, why has it not been shown on
any of the networks? Surely, if it were substantiatable, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.
would showing it every five minutes.

The US just fined a soldier about $5000 for shooting a pistol near a man's head.
The officer is undoubtedly being forced to retire early. How do you reconcile
this action with the "inaction" for the shooting depicted in your little video.

Well guys, how do you turn this into a negative for the administration? This
should be cute.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


Absolutely, congratulations on spending billions upon billions, upon
billions of taxpayer's money to find a man that posed no harm to us,
except for those pesky cardboard drones he had aimed at us!!! By the
way, news this morning says that Saddam has stated he had NO weapons
of mass destruction before the war.

basskisser December 15th 03 12:26 PM

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"Joe" wrote in message .. .
Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.


LOL!


Do tell, what is so funny about that? Seeing how BushCo has there
collectives heads up the collective asses of the Arabs, it should be
interesting. Funny, the arabs are amassing weapons, has much more
capability that Iraq ever had, are just as volitale, but we aren't
screwing with them. Ever wonder why?

Charles December 15th 03 01:01 PM

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Gould 0738 wrote:


Here's where I say, "Show me how I have apologized for Harry Krause,"

and your only response is, "You do it all the time."


Yup, because he's of your political persuasion, he gets a pass from you.


There are 3-4 people who will agree with you- only because of an intense
dislike for me and/or Krause. Everybody else will see your accusation for the
bovine excrement it indeed is.


Ha ha ha. If only you could convince yourself of that. Stick a pin in
yourself gould. You need to deflate a bit.

-- Charlie


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Charles December 15th 03 01:08 PM

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Gould 0738 wrote:

Harry can be exceptionally nasty. When he gets up a head of steam, he's as big
a flamer as anybody.


He a sexist piece of filth, who has said he'd enjoy watching people he
doesn't like die.





When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?


Are you serious?



Darn right. You guys sit over in self-righteous heaven calling everybody who
disagrees with your perspective "traitors" and etc.


I've never called anyone a traitor here. What makes you think I'm a
right-winger? Because I point out the hypocrisy of one krause and his
doggie gould? There's plenty of it on the right too, just look at your
favorite whipping boy rush.

In your blinding partisanship, you can't even stand on two legs any
more. You'd do alot for your personal credibility if you'd quit playing
fiddle to your boy krause.

-- Charlie


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NOYB December 15th 03 02:27 PM

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"Charles" wrote in message
...


Gould 0738 wrote:

Harry can be exceptionally nasty. When he gets up a head of steam, he's

as big
a flamer as anybody.


He a sexist piece of filth, who has said he'd enjoy watching people he
doesn't like die.





When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you

right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?


Are you serious?



Darn right. You guys sit over in self-righteous heaven calling everybody

who
disagrees with your perspective "traitors" and etc.


I call Harry a traitor for several reasons: (a) he gloats with every bit of
bad news from the economy, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., (b) he expresses "hope"
that the next terrorist attack hits middle America, (c) he constantly
disparages the capabilities of US troops.

Although you and I rarely agree, Gould, you *do* seem to have the best
interest of our country at heart. You're just a little bit misguided as to
the best road to follow.







Gould 0738 December 15th 03 04:30 PM

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Yup, because he's of your political persuasion, he gets a pass from you.



Go see who was the very first person to pitch him crap about posting "White
Trash Christmas" in honor of Karen, Wally, and NOYB. Suppose I hollered "foul"
because any of those three are of my political persuasion?

You cite no spicific examples where I have "apologized" for Harry, and ignore
instances where I have protested his tactics.

Very weak case.



Charles December 15th 03 05:02 PM

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Gould 0738 wrote:


Go see who was the very first person to pitch him crap about posting "White
Trash Christmas" in honor of Karen, Wally, and NOYB. Suppose I hollered "foul"
because any of those three are of my political persuasion?


You did so because krause even manages to embarrass you betimes. Doesn't
mean you don't play favorite with him because he's your favorite attack ass.


You cite no spicific examples where I have "apologized" for Harry, and ignore
instances where I have protested his tactics.

Very weak case.


Weak case in your mind, a case nevertheless. You are an enabler of an
extremely sick person who needs mental help.

-- Charlie


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JohnH December 15th 03 07:29 PM

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On 15 Dec 2003 04:26:53 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

"Joe" wrote in message .. .
Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.


LOL!


Do tell, what is so funny about that? Seeing how BushCo has there
collectives heads up the collective asses of the Arabs, it should be
interesting. Funny, the arabs are amassing weapons, has much more
capability that Iraq ever had, are just as volitale, but we aren't
screwing with them. Ever wonder why?


Again, please check your punctuation, grammar, and spelling. I cannot understand
what it is you are trying to say.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

JohnH December 15th 03 07:35 PM

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On 15 Dec 2003 04:20:57 -0800, (basskisser) wrote:

JohnH wrote in message . ..
all the congratulatory messages from Harry, jps, basskisser, gould, et al.
our capture of Saddam. Harry, I could imagine the glee in your eyes when you
came across the video of the Iraqi getting (supposedly) murdered by a Marine
after being wounded. Yes, I would call it murder, if it occurred. I have doubts
about the authenticity of the video. For one thing, why has it not been shown on
any of the networks? Surely, if it were substantiatable, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc.
would showing it every five minutes.

The US just fined a soldier about $5000 for shooting a pistol near a man's head.
The officer is undoubtedly being forced to retire early. How do you reconcile
this action with the "inaction" for the shooting depicted in your little video.

Well guys, how do you turn this into a negative for the administration? This
should be cute.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD


Absolutely, congratulations on spending billions upon billions, upon
billions of taxpayer's money to find a man that posed no harm to us,
except for those pesky cardboard drones he had aimed at us!!! By the
way, news this morning says that Saddam has stated he had NO weapons
of mass destruction before the war.


If you are referring to the money of more than one taxpayer, then the correct
word is *taxpayers'*.

What did Saddam use on the Kurds?

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

Harry Krause December 15th 03 11:30 PM

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NOYB wrote:

"Charles" wrote in message
...


Gould 0738 wrote:

Harry can be exceptionally nasty. When he gets up a head of steam, he's

as big
a flamer as anybody.


He a sexist piece of filth, who has said he'd enjoy watching people he
doesn't like die.





When was the last time you heard anybody on the left call you

right-wingers
"traitors" or anti- American?

Are you serious?



Darn right. You guys sit over in self-righteous heaven calling everybody

who
disagrees with your perspective "traitors" and etc.


I call Harry a traitor for several reasons: (a) he gloats with every bit of
bad news from the economy, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.,



Not true. I simply work to pin the bad news on the tail of the chief
perpetrator...the Smirking Chimp. Nothing traitorous about expressing
displeasure over the idiocy of George W. Bush.


(b) he expresses "hope"
that the next terrorist attack hits middle America



Not true. I've stated that I hope there is not another attack, but that
if there is, that it strike "Bush Country," where the conservatives hold
forth.


(c) he constantly
disparages the capabilities of US troops.


They haven't faced a serious enemy since Vietnam. I have no reason to
believe they are capable against equal forces.



--
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Joe December 16th 03 02:05 AM

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"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.


LOL!


Yes, God forbid you actually look at the situation from the other camp's
view.


LOL!!


You might learn something.


LOL!!!


What arrogance.


LOL!!!!




jps December 16th 03 07:11 AM

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In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,

says...

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.

LOL!


Yes, God forbid you actually look at the situation from the other camp's
view.


LOL!!


You might learn something.


LOL!!!


What arrogance.


LOL!!!!



I see you're easily amused. Have another hit Joe.

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

Go for a visit Joe, you might learn something...

NOYB December 16th 03 06:00 PM

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Every other news agency refers to the troops as "US soldiers, US forces, or
coalition forces". Aljazeera constantly refers to them as "occupation
forces".

As for the protestors in Tikrit and Ramadi...
I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that those are the very same bad guys who
keeping taking pot shots at our troops. Perhaps we can have one of those
"accidental" bombings drop right in the middle of 'em.


"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,


says...

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.

LOL!

Yes, God forbid you actually look at the situation from the other

camp's
view.


LOL!!


You might learn something.


LOL!!!


What arrogance.


LOL!!!!



I see you're easily amused. Have another hit Joe.

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

Go for a visit Joe, you might learn something...




NOYB December 16th 03 06:09 PM

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Aljazeera sounds an awful lot like Al Jazirah...a town in Syria that I
suspect you'll be hearing a lot more about in the near future. Can you say
"WMD's"? ;-)





"NOYB" wrote in message
nk.net...
Every other news agency refers to the troops as "US soldiers, US forces,

or
coalition forces". Aljazeera constantly refers to them as "occupation
forces".

As for the protestors in Tikrit and Ramadi...
I'd say it's a pretty safe bet that those are the very same bad guys who
keeping taking pot shots at our troops. Perhaps we can have one of those
"accidental" bombings drop right in the middle of 'em.


"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article ,


says...

Go to Aljazeera.net and see what the Arab reaction is.

LOL!

Yes, God forbid you actually look at the situation from the other

camp's
view.

LOL!!


You might learn something.

LOL!!!


What arrogance.

LOL!!!!



I see you're easily amused. Have another hit Joe.

http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage

Go for a visit Joe, you might learn something...






Gould 0738 December 16th 03 06:46 PM

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Aljazeera sounds an awful lot like Al Jazirah...a town in Syria that I
suspect you'll be hearing a lot more about in the near future. Can you say
"WMD's"? ;-)


After enough interrogation, Saddam Hussein will eventually be brought around to
say anything and everything the administration hopes to hear.

We'll all switch from a position that the lying ******* couldn't tell the truth
if his life depended on it to believing every syllable he utters that
exonerates our motives for invading Iraq.

They say truth is the first casualty of war.
First causualty of politics too, unfortunately.


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