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Backyard Renegade wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message ...
...who actually boat and fish will enjoy this:

http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/sh...&threadid=8202


These guys have some cojones.

Those are sharks you frekin idiot... Just another one of your lies. Or
proof that you don't know your personals from a sharp set of teeth,
whatever that means.

Yeah, that must be it.

Scotty was makin' a funny. It's a far cry better than accusing left
wingers of wanting to pass legislation so we could take his recently
impregnated daughter across state lines to get her an abortion without
her parents consent.

Even though it wasn't funny, it's a step in the right direction.

jps wrote in message . ..
In article ,
says...
Backyard Renegade wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message ...
...who actually boat and fish will enjoy this:

http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/sh...&threadid=8202


These guys have some cojones.

Those are sharks you frekin idiot... Just another one of your lies. Or
proof that you don't know your personals from a sharp set of teeth,
whatever that means.

Yeah, that must be it.

Scotty was makin' a funny. It's a far cry better than accusing left
wingers of wanting to pass legislation so we could take his recently
impregnated daughter across state lines to get her an abortion without
her parents consent.

Even though it wasn't funny, it's a step in the right direction.

Listen here you stupid ****in idiot! First off, if you are going to
take me out of context, use something less than a year old. Second
they did pass the law, but you are to much of a partizan to address
that.
Here it is asshole. You come home one day and find your teenage
daughter somewhat sick and down in the dumps. The next day she is
still puking and not talking. 3 months later there is still something
wrong but you can't get her to talk. 6 months later she is failing is
school and getting into drugs and parties, still little confidence and
a bad attitude. She eventually drops out of school and gets a
waitressing job and moves out... Ten years later you learn that your
little 14 year old girl had gotten pregnant from someone that was
driving her school bus. She was talked into and sneaked over state
lines for an abortion. This changed her whole life, now that she is
older she is still traumatized by the experience.... You realize that
in your childs greatest time of need, you were shut out by some
selfish pervert who used the law to avoid dealing with his problem...
and you were not there for her, your little girl.
Let me ask you something ****head, one question, yes or no, very
simple. Would you support such a law? That's the only issue you seem
to have with me, so what is it, do you support such a law?
The above story is not based on anything I have endured, but there are
folks out there who are, right now. Would you support such a law JPS,
balls up and answer the question you stupid ****in political whore.
Scott Ingersoll

(Backyard Renegade) wrote in message . com...
jps wrote in message . ..
In article ,
says...
Backyard Renegade wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message ...
...who actually boat and fish will enjoy this:

http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/sh...&threadid=8202


These guys have some cojones.

Those are sharks you frekin idiot... Just another one of your lies. Or
proof that you don't know your personals from a sharp set of teeth,
whatever that means.

Yeah, that must be it.

Scotty was makin' a funny. It's a far cry better than accusing left
wingers of wanting to pass legislation so we could take his recently
impregnated daughter across state lines to get her an abortion without
her parents consent.

Even though it wasn't funny, it's a step in the right direction.

Listen here you stupid ****in idiot! First off, if you are going to
take me out of context, use something less than a year old. Second
they did pass the law, but you are to much of a partizan to address
that.
Here it is asshole. You come home one day and find your teenage
daughter somewhat sick and down in the dumps. The next day she is
still puking and not talking. 3 months later there is still something
wrong but you can't get her to talk. 6 months later she is failing is
school and getting into drugs and parties, still little confidence and
a bad attitude. She eventually drops out of school and gets a
waitressing job and moves out... Ten years later you learn that your
little 14 year old girl had gotten pregnant from someone that was
driving her school bus. She was talked into and sneaked over state
lines for an abortion. This changed her whole life, now that she is
older she is still traumatized by the experience.... You realize that
in your childs greatest time of need, you were shut out by some
selfish pervert who used the law to avoid dealing with his problem...
and you were not there for her, your little girl.
Let me ask you something ****head, one question, yes or no, very
simple. Would you support such a law? That's the only issue you seem
to have with me, so what is it, do you support such a law?
The above story is not based on anything I have endured, but there are
folks out there who are, right now. Would you support such a law JPS,
balls up and answer the question you stupid ****in political whore.
Scott Ingersoll


Come on JPS, can you really discuss real issues, or just tag along
with Harry and Gould on any bandwagon that comes by? You keep bringing
this issue up as a debating point, why won't you discuss your feelings
here, or has no one told you what they should be yet?

Backyard Renegade wrote:

(Backyard Renegade) wrote in message . com...
jps wrote in message . ..
In article ,
says...
Backyard Renegade wrote:

Harry Krause wrote in message ...
...who actually boat and fish will enjoy this:

http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/sh...&threadid=8202


These guys have some cojones.

Those are sharks you frekin idiot... Just another one of your lies. Or
proof that you don't know your personals from a sharp set of teeth,
whatever that means.

Yeah, that must be it.

Scotty was makin' a funny. It's a far cry better than accusing left
wingers of wanting to pass legislation so we could take his recently
impregnated daughter across state lines to get her an abortion without
her parents consent.

Even though it wasn't funny, it's a step in the right direction.

Listen here you stupid ****in idiot! First off, if you are going to
take me out of context, use something less than a year old. Second
they did pass the law, but you are to much of a partizan to address
that.
Here it is asshole. You come home one day and find your teenage
daughter somewhat sick and down in the dumps. The next day she is
still puking and not talking. 3 months later there is still something
wrong but you can't get her to talk. 6 months later she is failing is
school and getting into drugs and parties, still little confidence and
a bad attitude. She eventually drops out of school and gets a
waitressing job and moves out... Ten years later you learn that your
little 14 year old girl had gotten pregnant from someone that was
driving her school bus. She was talked into and sneaked over state
lines for an abortion. This changed her whole life, now that she is
older she is still traumatized by the experience.... You realize that
in your childs greatest time of need, you were shut out by some
selfish pervert who used the law to avoid dealing with his problem...
and you were not there for her, your little girl.
Let me ask you something ****head, one question, yes or no, very
simple. Would you support such a law? That's the only issue you seem
to have with me, so what is it, do you support such a law?
The above story is not based on anything I have endured, but there are
folks out there who are, right now. Would you support such a law JPS,
balls up and answer the question you stupid ****in political whore.
Scott Ingersoll


Come on JPS, can you really discuss real issues, or just tag along
with Harry and Gould on any bandwagon that comes by? You keep bringing
this issue up as a debating point, why won't you discuss your feelings
here, or has no one told you what they should be yet?


Assuming your daughter emerges from puberty without getting pregnant,
she'll still likely to be seeking lots of help later in life to deal
with the issues of being reared by someone like you. You have some real
issues.

Abortion, typically, is a simple medical procedure for a woman, and,
while there may be some regrets about it, there would be far less mental
and physical trauma dumped on the patients if right-wing,
female-controlling male pig-creatures would stop putting themselves
where they have no business being.

Abortion is a medical procedure whose parameters should be decided by a
woman and her doctor. You live in Connecticut, not in Alabama, Texas, or
Mississippi, and where you live, 14-year-old girls know about the birds
and the bees. If a 14-year-old girl is having unprotected sex and that
sex results in pregnancy, she should be able to have her problem taken
care of without the anti-abortion thugs browbeating her.

There's far worse than being 14 and pregnant. I have an acquaintance who
was complaining his girlfriend discovered she was a lesbian and left him
for a woman. "Hell," I told him, "there's nothing wrong with that.
Imagine how you'd feel if she told you she was a Republican."








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Real funny, you, a intellectually dishonest man to say the least,
telling me what abortion is and means to women, what a joke you are.
You can slam my parenting skills all you want, but ask my kids
teachers how I have done as a stay home parent the last decade or so.
My oldest is in Japan teaching English after being on the Presidents
list all through college, my youngest has an IQ rated around 130 and
is "working well up to her potential" according to her teacher. I
sacrifice every day like anyone else to keep my kids in one of the
best funded school systems in the country. My middle daugher has a
great job at Signa... Correct, I am against abortion, but... I beleive
strongly in an adult womans right to choose, I beleive that being a
medical proceedure it should be available and also supported by tax
dollars as many other medical proceedures are, for those who choose it
as an option. I also beleive that like many other serious proceedures,
it should be preceeded by fair and informative information for the
patient. Not only that, I would not support ANY constitutional
admendment banning abortion, period, that in my mind would take away a
womans free will. Some christians not only don't quite live properly,
but also don't expect anyone else to either. You see Harry, you guys
always pin me as a far right repub thug, simply cause I am against
Unions (your personal bread and butter) and for parental rights, but
you have no idea what I really am or how I really feel about any other
subject. If you came to live in my town for a while, you would see how
tolerant I actually am when it comes to mostly anything but my own
kids.
Still, all of this is just fodder to avoid answering the real
question. Do you support a law that allows non related adults to take
someone else's daughter for an abortion without the parents knowledge
or concent? JPS and you and the others are quick to slam me for
wanting to preserve only parental rights in the abortion issue, based
on one line taken out of context from a post I made over a year ago,
so how do you feel about this issue yourself, c'mon Harry, JPS, answer
the question, show me some more of how "tolerant" you are?
Scott Ingersoll

Backyard Renegade wrote:

Real funny, you, a intellectually dishonest man to say the least,
telling me what abortion is and means to women, what a joke you are.

I've read enough about the experiences of women and have heard of the
trauma of women going though an abortion to know that most of them get
over it, especially when the right-wing drooolers aren't trying to lay
some idiotic guilt trip on them.



You can slam my parenting skills all you want, but ask my kids
teachers how I have done as a stay home parent the last decade or so.
My oldest is in Japan teaching English after being on the Presidents
list all through college, my youngest has an IQ rated around 130 and
is "working well up to her potential" according to her teacher. I
sacrifice every day like anyone else to keep my kids in one of the
best funded school systems in the country. My middle daugher has a
great job at Signa...

So, what's your problem?



Correct, I am against abortion, but... I beleive
strongly in an adult womans right to choose, I beleive that being a
medical proceedure it should be available and also supported by tax
dollars as many other medical proceedures are, for those who choose it
as an option. I also beleive that like many other serious proceedures,
it should be preceeded by fair and informative information for the
patient. Not only that, I would not support ANY constitutional
admendment banning abortion, period, that in my mind would take away a
womans free will.


Yeah, so, why are you coming down so hard on women under 18? You think
they're all incapable and stupid?


Some christians not only don't quite live properly,
but also don't expect anyone else to either.

The more they publicly profess their "Christianity" and push it on
others, the less likely they are to be following the teachings of their
Savior.





Still, all of this is just fodder to avoid answering the real
question. Do you support a law that allows non related adults to take
someone else's daughter for an abortion without the parents knowledge
or concent?

Sure, if those parents are going to interfere in anyway with the desire
of the "daughter" to obtain an abortion.



JPS and you and the others are quick to slam me for
wanting to preserve only parental rights in the abortion issue, based
on one line taken out of context from a post I made over a year ago,


The "parental units" aren't pregnant here, the daughter is. The decision
should be between the young lady and her doctor.


so how do you feel about this issue yourself, c'mon Harry, JPS, answer
the question, show me some more of how "tolerant" you are?
Scott Ingersoll

I've already stated my opinion. If a young lady or woman wants to
terminate her pregnancy in a medically acceptable way, that's her business.




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you guys are azzholes!%

Harry Krause wrote in message ...
Backyard Renegade wrote:

Real funny, you, a intellectually dishonest man to say the least,
telling me what abortion is and means to women, what a joke you are.

I've read enough about the experiences of women and have heard of the
trauma of women going though an abortion to know that most of them get
over it, especially when the right-wing drooolers aren't trying to lay
some idiotic guilt trip on them.

"Idiotic guilt trip?"

For we are not fighting against people made of flesh and blood, but
against the evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against
those mighty powers of darkness who rule this world, and against
wicked spirits in the heavenly realms.
NLT Copyright 1996 Tyndale Charitable Trust

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of
this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly
places.
NKJV Copyright 1982 Thomas Nelson

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the
rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness,
against the spiritual {forces} of wickedness in the heavenly {places.}
NASB copyright 1995 Lockman Foundation

For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the
principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this
present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the
heavenly places.
RSV copyright info

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of
this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].

because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with
the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the
darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the
heavenly places;

because our struggle is not against blood and flesh, but against
principalities, against authorities, against the universal lords of
this darkness, against spiritual [power] of wickedness in the
heavenlies.

For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the
principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this
darkness, against the spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly
[places].

For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the
principalities, against the powers, against the world's rulers of the
darkness of this age, and against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in
the heavenly places.

quia non est nobis conluctatio adversus carnem et sanguinem sed
adversus principes et potestates adversus mundi rectores tenebrarum
harum contra spiritalia nequitiae in caelestibus

Harry Krause wrote in message news:bsil4u$d51ji$1@ID-


Yeah, so, why are you coming down so hard on women under 18? You think
they're all incapable and stupid?

You keep spinning it as simply "under 18", let's get the cards on the
table, let's set a number, like 13. OK, you say a 13 yo girl should be
able to get this medical proceedure without her parents permission or
knowledge, how about field trips? Should the school have to tell me
when they are taking my 13 yo out of town? How about plastic surgery,
dating, cerfews, should she be able to get in a car with her friends
dad and take off to New York on a weekend without her parents
permission? I mean, Harry, where do you draw the line, what age do
parents lose all rights to help their kids make decisions? 18, 13,
10??? Or is is just this one decision, abortion you want to apply this
to as it suits your personal agenda of not wanting anyone to be
accountable for anything?


Some christians not only don't quite live properly,
but also don't expect anyone else to either.

The more they publicly profess their "Christianity" and push it on
others, the less likely they are to be following the teachings of their
Savior.





Still, all of this is just fodder to avoid answering the real
question. Do you support a law that allows non related adults to take
someone else's daughter for an abortion without the parents knowledge
or concent?

Sure, if those parents are going to interfere in anyway with the desire
of the "daughter" to obtain an abortion.



JPS and you and the others are quick to slam me for
wanting to preserve only parental rights in the abortion issue, based
on one line taken out of context from a post I made over a year ago,


The "parental units" aren't pregnant here, the daughter is. The decision
should be between the young lady and her doctor.


so how do you feel about this issue yourself, c'mon Harry, JPS, answer
the question, show me some more of how "tolerant" you are?
Scott Ingersoll

I've already stated my opinion. If a young lady or woman wants to
terminate her pregnancy in a medically acceptable way, that's her business.

and this has to do with what boating???/