Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:
Yes I do - and one of them is an actual, honest-to-god geo-physical
scientist - not some hammer head dweeb who can't read and just wants
to tickle his twinkie by picking fights over who's got the biggest
bleeding heart.

Wake up a little grumpy this morning?


I'm on your side jackass - if you can't parse that, then go bother
somebody else.

Considering that I don't really have a "side" that's an interesting
proposition.


I'm not interested in your "opinion" - I'm interested in the facts and
the facts are this:

Global warming is not proven.

No, it's not "proven" but the list of observed effects pointing to a
warming trend is very long. The list of observed effects pointing to a
cooling trend is almost nil. So, which way would you place your bet?



... Pollution can have more devastating
effects on civilization than something that nobody knows how to even
describe, never mind deal with.

It is true that pollution can be devastating. But "global warming" can
be pretty well described, depending on who you listen to. As for
"dealing with" it, how can we do that when 1- we don't know what causing
it and 2- even if we did, action would have to be more nearly universal
than any human action ever in history. And we can't even agree on what
color socks to wear!


Do yourself a favour and actually read a scientific treatise on the
subject rather than some jerk off tabloid written by a bearded
nutcase.

Do yourself a favor and don't be such a judgemental asshole. You have no
idea what sources of info I refer to.

DSK

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:48:51 GMT, (Karl
Denninger) wrote:


In article ,
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:


On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 20:28:38 GMT, (Karl
Denninger) wrote:

~~snippage~~

Want to really make a difference? Get rid of the Sierra Club's influence on
these matters and mandate that within 5 years all new motor vehicles with
more than three wheels and sold in the US must have compression ignition
engines.

Go you one better - diesel electric. The technology is currently
available and can even do tows up to about 6K# on some test trucks.

It's doable - it's been in submarine technology since forever.

Yes, but diesel-electric is less efficient most of the time in light
vehicles than straight drive diesel.

Simple reason - those pesky laws of thermodynamics, due to the additional
conversions involved.

That's true enough - not everybody has need to tow 6,000/10,000 pounds
every other day or so. However, with enough research, maybe the
weight can come down, new types of batteries, etc.

There is a fellow down the road from me who has built a neat little
farm "cart" I guess is the best description - diesel/electric and it's
get some ridiculous amount of MPG - like 25 miles on a liter or there
abouts. He spent a couple of winters building it. Uses it to haul
silage and hay around to his different pastures. He has a couple of
huge batteries, twin cylinder diesel and a generator he got at an
auction - neat. Doesn't have a top end worth beans, but it get
around.

I'll take some pictures and post 'em.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 06:50:05 -0400, DSK wrote:

~~ snippage ~~

Do yourself a favor and don't be such a judgemental asshole. You have no
idea what sources of info I refer to.

What ever. Just another knee jerkoff with no knowledge of anything
other than his own brand of fuzzy wuzzy logic.

If you actually knew what I was talking about, then you might act in a
civil and responsible fashion rather than name calling.

There is no hard evidence - period.

Then again, it's useless arguing with a zealot.

Later,

Tom

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

What ever. Just another knee jerkoff with no knowledge of anything
other than his own brand of fuzzy wuzzy logic.

Uh huh. As opposed to your well reasoned & polite post?


If you actually knew what I was talking about, then you might act in a
civil and responsible fashion rather than name calling.

There is no hard evidence - period.

Oh? What do you call the increased average sea current temps? The
retreating glaciers? Just to name the first two that come to mind.




Then again, it's useless arguing with a zealot.

I've been promoted?

DSK

On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 07:13:06 -0400, DSK wrote:

Short Wave Sportfishing wrote:

What ever. Just another knee jerkoff with no knowledge of anything
other than his own brand of fuzzy wuzzy logic.

Uh huh. As opposed to your well reasoned & polite post?

I apologise for my intemperate remarks.

If you actually knew what I was talking about, then you might act in a
civil and responsible fashion rather than name calling.

There is no hard evidence - period.

Oh? What do you call the increased average sea current temps? The
retreating glaciers? Just to name the first two that come to mind.

As related to global warming, unproven. Period.

Then again, it's useless arguing with a zealot.

I've been promoted?

You can look at it that way.

Take care.

Tom

"The beatings will stop when morale improves."
E. Teach, 1717

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 08:37:24 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Steven Shelikoff wrote:
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 07:21:28 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Global Warming Is Expected to Raise Hurricane Intensity

While that may or may not be true, it hasn't been happening yet. Even
this year, which seems so bad, is hardly out of the ordinary wrt the
total number and strength of hurricanes. All that's happened is that
Florida has been unlucky enough to get 4 of them.

As you can see from
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/deadly/Table5.htm
the total number hurricanes as well as of major hurricanes to hit the US
has trended down since the first half of the century and will probably
be trending up again because of the hurricane cycle that's been observed
since the 1800's. See
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/hurr...icanes-amm.htm

So when the hurricane cycle does start trending up, of course everyone's
going to conclude it's due to global warming. But it will be at least
another half century before we know whether that's true or not.

Steve

Hey, Steve...you know those anti-sub airplanes we used to discuss when I
live in Jax?

They followed me here.

For the last month, there have been dozens of flights of those planes
near our farmette. I haven't investigated, but my guess is they are
training flights coming out of the PAX NAS, heading about 30 miles up
the coast, and then circling back. They sure as hell can't be looking
for subs in Chesapeake Bay.

These days, those planes do other things besides just looking for subs.

Steve