The point is that just because he's trying to sell books and make a living,
it doesn't mean that the information he presents is necessarily erroneous.
Conversely, would you be more comfortable with a writer who worked for free?

"Taco Heaven" wrote in message
news:mMA6d.137986$D%.29521@attbi_s51...
Doug,
This is a discussion that neither one of us will win. What we do agree on
is that Hack was very success in his chosen field of being a soldier.
Beside that we will have to agree on disagreeing.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
That's silly. If a Lexus commercial contains mechanical facts about the
car
AND suggests you'll lead a happier life and get more girls if you buy
the
car, does the hype necessarily negate the mechanical facts?

"Taco Heaven" wrote in message
news:BSy6d.137784$D%.75698@attbi_s51...
DSK,

I made the statement that Hack's main purpose in his web site was self
promotion in an effort to sell books, his magazine and newspaper
columns,
and his lecture circuit. The fact that he promotes himself as
"America's
most decorated living soldier" when the US Army has no idea who is the
most
decorated soldier, does show that he is more interested in self
promotion
than the truth.



"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
However, Taco Heaver's sneering that "there ain't no such title"
proves
even less that Hackworth's list of medals.


Taco Heaver wrote:
That is not my comment, it is the comment of the US Army and the
DOD.

And does that make it any more relevant?

DSK

Doug,
You are correct, but just because he is a highly decorated soldier does not
necessarily make any of the information he posts is the truth. If you visit
his web site he has very inflammatory headlines and then asks his audience
to let him know if it is true. Yet I could not find any area where he
either verifies or denies the allegations.

If he really wanted to know the truth, he would do a little follow up on his
own before publishing email with inflammatory headlines. A honest
journalist would never do what he is doing At the very least they would
ask for a rebuttal from those he is accusing. Any respectable journalist
would take the anonymous email and use that as the beginning of their
investigation.

He follows the rules of journalism that the National Enquire and The Star
use.






"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
The point is that just because he's trying to sell books and make a
living,
it doesn't mean that the information he presents is necessarily erroneous.
Conversely, would you be more comfortable with a writer who worked for
free?

"Taco Heaven" wrote in message
news:mMA6d.137986$D%.29521@attbi_s51...
Doug,
This is a discussion that neither one of us will win. What we do agree
on
is that Hack was very success in his chosen field of being a soldier.
Beside that we will have to agree on disagreeing.


"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
That's silly. If a Lexus commercial contains mechanical facts about the
car
AND suggests you'll lead a happier life and get more girls if you buy
the
car, does the hype necessarily negate the mechanical facts?

"Taco Heaven" wrote in message
news:BSy6d.137784$D%.75698@attbi_s51...
DSK,

I made the statement that Hack's main purpose in his web site was self
promotion in an effort to sell books, his magazine and newspaper
columns,
and his lecture circuit. The fact that he promotes himself as
"America's
most decorated living soldier" when the US Army has no idea who is the
most
decorated soldier, does show that he is more interested in self
promotion
than the truth.



"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
However, Taco Heaver's sneering that "there ain't no such title"
proves
even less that Hackworth's list of medals.


Taco Heaver wrote:
That is not my comment, it is the comment of the US Army and the
DOD.

And does that make it any more relevant?

DSK

Taco Heaven wrote:
I made the statement that Hack's main purpose in his web site was self
promotion in an effort to sell books, his magazine and newspaper columns,
and his lecture circuit.

Yes, that's pretty obvious to most of us. What clued you in?

Why should he not try to make a living? Are you a Communist, do you
think that Hackworth should somehow work for free?


... The fact that he promotes himself as "America's
most decorated living soldier" when the US Army has no idea who is the most
decorated soldier, does show that he is more interested in self promotion
than the truth.

On the contrary, it shows that you will sieze any pretext to try and
discredit him. Can you demonstrate that he is *not* America's most
decorated living soldier? For that matter, which U.S. military personnel
(living or dead) have ever earned more decorations than him? If you
cannot answer that question, then basically you are just yapping like a
toy poodle.

Is this what happens when you don't have a Rush Limbaugh key phrase to
repeat?

DSK

DSK,
The headlines in his web site read like the National Enquirer, scare
headlines with no substance. If you think he is someone you should read to
get your information, so be it. Keep up the good work.


"DSK" wrote in message
. ..
Taco Heaven wrote:
I made the statement that Hack's main purpose in his web site was self
promotion in an effort to sell books, his magazine and newspaper columns,
and his lecture circuit.

Yes, that's pretty obvious to most of us. What clued you in?

Why should he not try to make a living? Are you a Communist, do you think
that Hackworth should somehow work for free?


... The fact that he promotes himself as "America's most decorated
living soldier" when the US Army has no idea who is the most decorated
soldier, does show that he is more interested in self promotion than the
truth.

On the contrary, it shows that you will sieze any pretext to try and
discredit him. Can you demonstrate that he is *not* America's most
decorated living soldier? For that matter, which U.S. military personnel
(living or dead) have ever earned more decorations than him? If you cannot
answer that question, then basically you are just yapping like a toy
poodle.

Is this what happens when you don't have a Rush Limbaugh key phrase to
repeat?

DSK

Taco Heaven wrote:
The headlines in his web site read like the National Enquirer, scare
headlines with no substance.

Is this the best you can do? No university study to give a link to?


... If you think he is someone you should read to
get your information, so be it.

My point is that Col. David Hackworth knows a heck of a lot more about
the U.S. military than you do. Instead of learning, you **** & moan and
make a feeble effort to discredit him, then give up and call names.

I guess we now know how serious you are. Go join the other fascist
whacko peabrains over there on the bench.

DSK

DSK wrote:
Taco Heaven wrote:
The headlines in his web site read like the National Enquirer, scare
headlines with no substance.

Is this the best you can do? No university study to give a link to?


It's okay for Dickless Cheney to go around and preach doom and gloom,
and try to frighten people into voting for Bush, but strong headlines
are not ok on Hackworth's site?

Hypocritical, eh?

--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

Wally,

I don't know for sure about Audie Murphy... but I believe he chose to leave
the Army following WW II. The "System" in the Army does a good job of
ensuring genuine combat heros move upward in rank with their peers. Murphy
would probably have had a highly sucessful career had he desired to remain
in the Army.

Certainly reaching the rank of Colonel is a significant accomplishment.
During COL Hackworth's era the typical rank held by an officer upon
retirement was Lt Col.

Not sure what my rank has to do with the discussion as I was never in "the
hunt". It's probably unwise of me to state my rank but as you seem to want
to know..... it's CWO5, USA (Ret).

Butch
"WaIIy" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:18:41 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

As a guy who soldiered for 35+ years I'll wade in on this issue.

COL Hackworth was a great combat soldier and a real example to all of us.
I
was disappointed by the Ranger Tab issue but it takes nothing from his
proven bravery in battle.

That the "most decorated living soldier" did not rise above the rank of
COL
indicates that the Army felt he did not rank above his peers when it came
to
important attributes required of senior leaders.

Audie Murphy didn't either.

Combat effectiveness doesn't necessarily translate into
administrative/planning leadership.

Of course, a full bird colonel isn't chump change.

What was your rank?

Harry,

The Army has no "billets" that are almost a guarantee to lock you out of a
star. There are branches of the Army with somewhat lower opportunites for
advancing to GO than others. Infantry is not one of them but perhaps
Finance Corps would qualify.

As I stated earlier, I deeply admire COL Hackworth's military
accomplishments...... I simply don't feel his journalistic attempts refelect
his soldiering abilities. I believe, Harry that even you will admit to
being a better writer than Hack?

Butch
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
WaIIy wrote:
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:18:41 GMT, "Butch Davis"
wrote:

As a guy who soldiered for 35+ years I'll wade in on this issue.

COL Hackworth was a great combat soldier and a real example to all of us.
I
was disappointed by the Ranger Tab issue but it takes nothing from his
proven bravery in battle.

That the "most decorated living soldier" did not rise above the rank of
COL
indicates that the Army felt he did not rank above his peers when it came
to
important attributes required of senior leaders.

Audie Murphy didn't either.

Combat effectiveness doesn't necessarily translate into
administrative/planning leadership.

Of course, a full bird colonel isn't chump change.

What was your rank?


Absolutely...

Further, there are billets that are almost a guarantee to lock you out
of a star or a flag. Not many sub captains become admirals.


--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a
pariah.

What, me worry?