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Harry Krause September 29th 04 01:32 AM

Doug Kanter wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message
...


Chuck, where in the plan is there any mention of instituting a draft in

2005, or
any year for that matter?


Remember how, in the past, I told you that you should read big boy news
sources? Here we go again! If you read those sources, you'd know that the
armed forces are experiencing great difficulty in recruiting new corpses.
The "free college" ruse doesn't work any more, since it became clear that
your president needed more bodies to use as sandbags in his Great War.



Indeed, anyone who talks to a military "recruiter" should then be
required to talk to someone who speaks the truth about what the military
recruiter said. I'm amazed Whoring doesn't work as a volunteer
recruiter...he's got just the mindset needed to lie to impressionable
and not too bright young guys.



--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

P. Fritz September 29th 04 03:20 AM


"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On 28 Sep 2004 15:51:32 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Indeed, Bush has done nothing significant to help the 43 million
Americans without access to health insurance, and most of these folks

do
not have access to decent health care, either. Another area where Bush
failed.


Hey, this is America, not Russia. Those lazy n'er-do-wells who don't

have
health insurance should just get a second, or third job, or as many as

it takes
to earn the money to pay for it. Or go without. Whoever promised these

people a
free ride?

(My wife and I have contemplated retirement. We're in our early to

mid-50's.
One of the spoilers is health insurance.
In our state, coverage for the two of us would approach $1400 a month,

and
continue to go up each year as we age. Easily done if either one of us

is
working- but what sort of retirement would it be with one spouse

working? How
many burger flippers can afford $1400 a month?)

While we're at it, we need to review our minimum wage laws. Why

shouldn't the
free market set salaries and wages? If I can find somebody desparate

enough to
work for $2.75 an hour, I should be able to pay that little, (and bill

their
time at $75).
Until we drive our expendable working class into the same kind of

poverty and
deprivation they experience in India, Thailand, etc, how are we ever

going to
sustain corporate profits and still compete with the products we import

from
overseas?


And just think, over three million a year are coming across our southern

border
just to increase the rolls of the uninsured.


So many distortions.........the vast majority of the '43 mil' uninsured
are unisured by choice, NOT because they cannot afford it.

$1400 a month premiums are a result of wanting a next to nothing
deductible, and everything under the sun paid for. My insurance costs me
$120 a month.



John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!




Eisboch September 29th 04 04:44 AM

P. Fritz wrote:


$1400 a month premiums are a result of wanting a next to nothing
deductible, and everything under the sun paid for. My insurance costs me
$120 a month.



Yep. Major medical coverage was affordable until the advent of the HMO
back in the late 70's - early 80's. Now we have $500 bottles of cough
syrup for jr's stuffy nose because "insurance" covers it.

Eisboch

Gould 0738 September 29th 04 04:45 AM

$1400 a month premiums are a result of wanting a next to nothing
deductible, and everything under the sun paid for. My insurance costs me
$120 a month.


How much does your employer pay in addition to your $120? Do you go to a vet?

$1400 premiums ($700 @) get you$1000 annual deductibles, $25 co-pays for office
calls, no dental or vision coverage, $100 annual prescription deductible and
then $25 deductible per perscription.

Looks like I am possibly coming down with MS, which might even make us
ineligible for insurance of any kind, so moot point.


Short Wave Sportfishing September 29th 04 11:49 AM

On 29 Sep 2004 03:45:52 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

$1400 a month premiums are a result of wanting a next to nothing
deductible, and everything under the sun paid for. My insurance costs me
$120 a month.


How much does your employer pay in addition to your $120? Do you go to a vet?

$1400 premiums ($700 @) get you$1000 annual deductibles, $25 co-pays for office
calls, no dental or vision coverage, $100 annual prescription deductible and
then $25 deductible per perscription.

Looks like I am possibly coming down with MS, which might even make us
ineligible for insurance of any kind, so moot point.


You need to find out NOW about that.

I went through a whole MS scan - spent the worst six months of my life
being poked, prodded and worked over like a Christmas turkey and you
know what?

It was a low level ear infection.

The odd thing was one of my kids said to do the test first - it was
the only way to tell.

~~sigh ~~

Get the spinal tap test ASAP - it's the only way to tell for sure if
you do or don't.

Trust me on this.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

JimH September 29th 04 12:11 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
$1400 a month premiums are a result of wanting a next to nothing
deductible, and everything under the sun paid for. My insurance costs me
$120 a month.


How much does your employer pay in addition to your $120? Do you go to a
vet?

$1400 premiums ($700 @) get you$1000 annual deductibles, $25 co-pays for
office
calls, no dental or vision coverage, $100 annual prescription deductible
and
then $25 deductible per perscription.

Looks like I am possibly coming down with MS, which might even make us
ineligible for insurance of any kind, so moot point.


I am sincerely sorry to hear that Chuck. When did the symptoms first
appear?



Taco Heaven September 29th 04 02:49 PM

Gould,
I hope you find out that this is not true. One thing that is in your favor
is that MS normally appears between the ages of 20 to 40. I have RA and
have found that keeping stress out of my life has minimized the flare up. I
still have situations that could cause stress, but I don't worry about them.
I control the controllables and leave the rest up to a higher authority.

"God, grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to
change the things I can, and the Wisdom to know the difference."

Hope you get some good news soon, as the unknown can be extremely stressful.



"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
$1400 a month premiums are a result of wanting a next to nothing
deductible, and everything under the sun paid for. My insurance costs me
$120 a month.


How much does your employer pay in addition to your $120? Do you go to a
vet?

$1400 premiums ($700 @) get you$1000 annual deductibles, $25 co-pays for
office
calls, no dental or vision coverage, $100 annual prescription deductible
and
then $25 deductible per perscription.

Looks like I am possibly coming down with MS, which might even make us
ineligible for insurance of any kind, so moot point.




Gould 0738 September 29th 04 04:53 PM

Gould,
I hope you find out that this is not true. One thing that is in your favor
is that MS normally appears between the ages of 20 to 40.


I'll know more maybe today.

I've had shaky hands for 20 years. If I am holding or hanging on to something,
no problem. I got to the point where I didn't notice it, but my wife has said
for the longest time, "you should go in and find out why you shake so much."
Being a typical guy, I went to the doctor 3-4 times between 20 -45 years of
age, whether I really needed to, or not.

This year I fell down.One day my leg just "wasn't there" and over I went. It
was pretty funny. No big deal, I thought. A month or so ago, my hands and feet
started tingling, and my right foot feels "numb" much of the time.
I figured it was circulation, (diabetes runs in the family), and saw the doctor
last week. He ran some tests, said my circlatory system was fine and that it
isn't diabetes. My MD said it's almost definitely
peripheral neuropathy, and suspects there may be more than that going on. He
made an appointment for me with a neurologist, who saw me the very quickly,
yesterday.

The neurologist did some tests, and said my nerves have a problem detecting
vibration (leads to balance problems) and heat/cold. Some of the test were
similar to the "drunk" tests the cops give people suspected of DUI. Close your
eyes and touch your finger to your nose, walk heel and toe across the office
floor, (I almost toppled over on that one), etc. He sent me directly to the
hospital for an MRI.

The MRI was a challenge. I am absolutely claustrophobic. Image having a cage
placed around your head, and then your whole body stuffed into a "torpedo
tube".
No room to move, at all. Insufficient air for breathing. The top of the tube is
inches from your face as you lay there on your back. A brain scan takes 15
minutes. The MRI doctor shoved me into the tube and said, "Are you going to be
alright?"

"Heck no! Pull me back out! Right away, please!"

Once back out where there was some air,
the MRI doctor said he wouldn't charge me for trying. He said that many people
just can't endure the MRI tube, and that I shouldn't feel badly.

Maybe because I had already experienced going in and being pulled back out, I
was able to overcome my subconscious fear with some conscious reasoning, and I
"talked myself" into going back into the tube. The doctor said we could call it
off anytime during the prodecure that I wasn't comfortable. For the first
thirty seconds I was still terrified, but something I learned years ago took
over, and I mentally "moved" to a place where it was very light, there was
plenty of air, and I was weightless so there was no compelling desire to move.
(The MRI doctor was pretty surprised at how peacefully I endured the procedure,
as was I). He asked me, about halfway through, if I was still willing to
continue and I remember saying, "It's OK now, I'm not stuck in the tube, so
finish up." Next time I have to face a phobia, I'll try the same trick. I
recommend it for those who can do it, it works extremely well. (The last few
trips to the dentist, I've used a similar technique in dental chair and now
generally avoid anesthetics for
fillings, etc).

The MRI doctor isn't allowed to discuss the results of the scan, but my biggest
fear was a brain tumor. I asked the MRI doctor
if he saw any sign of tumor. He said, "You will need to have your neurologist
read these images, but I think you can bet the farm he isn't going to say
you've got a tumor." That's good news.

Aside from your personal inquiry and good wish, how does this relate to
rec.boats? Following that MRI, I'll be one of the few posters here who can
mount, actual, scientific evidence that yes, indeed, I do have a brain. :-)



Harry Krause September 29th 04 04:55 PM

Gould 0738 wrote:


The MRI doctor isn't allowed to discuss the results of the scan, but my biggest
fear was a brain tumor. I asked the MRI doctor
if he saw any sign of tumor. He said, "You will need to have your neurologist
read these images, but I think you can bet the farm he isn't going to say
you've got a tumor." That's good news.

Aside from your personal inquiry and good wish, how does this relate to
rec.boats? Following that MRI, I'll be one of the few posters here who can
mount, actual, scientific evidence that yes, indeed, I do have a brain. :-)


Damn you...you'd better be ok or I'll really be ****ed at you.


--
We today have a president of the United States who looks like he is the
son of Howdy Doody or Alfred E. Newman, who isn't smarter than either of
them, who is arrogant about his ignorance, who is reckless and
incompetent, and whose backers are turning the United States into a pariah.

What, me worry?

Taco Heaven September 29th 04 05:05 PM


"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...

Aside from your personal inquiry and good wish, how does this relate to
rec.boats? Following that MRI, I'll be one of the few posters here who can
mount, actual, scientific evidence that yes, indeed, I do have a brain.
:-)


LOL, it is good to see you are keeping your humor. FYI, if you ever have to
have a MRI again, they now have "Open MRI". I don't have claustrophobia,
but because of RA I was not able to hold my arm in the proper position in
the closed MRI. The scan on my elbow took 45 min. to complete. In the open
MRI the field is only enclosed on the top and bottom of the area they want
to scan, and one side is always open. I actually slept through the
procedure.

On a serious note, if you find out discussion stressful I would prefer not
to add to your stress level.





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