dood, that is utter bull****. that lab you retired from was a back woods drug
lab.

do a google (if you are capable) on the chemical makeup of octane and see how
many oxygen atoms you find.

From: Matt Colie
Date: 9/23/2004 6:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Matt,

Believe it.

Of that stuff you call gasoline (those things that come of the the
distillation between 100 and 200 degF) there is no chemical formulae.

It is all organic hydrocarbon and the best they can due is provide a
hydrogen/cardon ratio. And that is Gasoline...

What gets added after that is anybody's bet. It isn't Tetraethyllead
Pb(C2H5)4 anymore, but it can be any portion of a chemical alphabet
soup (like MTBE, TAME and ETBE) with out even getting to the oxygenates.

Most what was added in teh pst improved the octane rating. now what is
added is largely to improve the combustion efficiency.

Matt Colie (Engine Lab Rat -ret)


Matt Lang wrote:
I find it highly unlikely that there are no Oxygen (O) atoms in gas....

Matt

"Ken" wrote in message
...

One thing with ethanol is that the stuff contains oxygen atoms along with
the hydrogen and carbon atoms, where as straight gasoline is hydrogen and
carbon only. The oxygen tends to lean the mixture entering the engine. No
matter what carb setting you apply after that, the air/fuel ratio never
gets
back to what it was. A lean mixture will burn hotter and more readily
creates detonation and preignition (4 cylinders inboards tend to have
dieseling problems with the stuff). It can also cause stalling problems.
With cars the oxygenated fuels tends to work ok as the computers and
sensors
keep a good control. With marine engines its a problem.


"Larry Weiss" wrote in message
...

Both of my power boats have developed severe engine hesitation
problems. They run okay at idle but sputter and stall when revved. My
mechanics have complained that they are seeing this problem left and
right - and are blaming it on the gasoline, which around here (Long
Island, NY) now contains 10% ethanol. I know ethanol is not good for
rubberized fuel lines, but did not know it caused running problems
(unless the fuel lines are deteriorating and clogging). The gas in each
boat was purchased at a different fuel dock.

If my mechanics are correct, this is a serious regional (national?)
problem. Anyone else experiencing difficulty? Any comments or
suggestions? How can we get gasoline without ethanol in it? How is the
marine industry addressing this?

Larry Weiss
"...Ever After!"
"a little after..."

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...

do a google (if you are capable) on the chemical makeup of octane and see how
many oxygen atoms you find.

Or you could look up the octane rating of methanol (about 100 on the
(R+M)/2 scale) and its chemical formula (CH3OH) and note that a liquid
fuel with a high octane rating can have as many oxygens as carbons.

The octane number on the pump does not tell you how much "real octane"
is in the gasoline. Extra credit exercise: look up octane numbers for
"normal octane", "normal heptane" and "iso-octane" (a.k.a.
2,2,4-trimethyl pentane).

%mod%

dood, rather poor googling on your part. "octane", a physical fact, and
"octane rating", a concept, are not hardly the same thing.

(modervador)
Date: 9/27/2004 1:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

do a google (if you are capable) on the chemical makeup of octane and see
how
many oxygen atoms you find.

Or you could look up the octane rating of methanol (about 100 on the
(R+M)/2 scale) and its chemical formula (CH3OH) and note that a liquid
fuel with a high octane rating can have as many oxygens as carbons.

The octane number on the pump does not tell you how much "real octane"
is in the gasoline. Extra credit exercise: look up octane numbers for
"normal octane", "normal heptane" and "iso-octane" (a.k.a.
2,2,4-trimethyl pentane).

%mod%

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
"octane", a physical fact, and
"octane rating", a concept, are not hardly the same thing.

That is just what I implied, and that is exactly why looking up the
chemical makeup of octane will not tell you how much oxygen is in
gasoline.

So for the benefit of others less educated, do you know the octane
rating of normal octane?

%mod%


(modervador)
Date: 9/27/2004 1:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

do a google (if you are capable) on the chemical makeup of octane and see
how
many oxygen atoms you find.

Or you could look up the octane rating of methanol (about 100 on the
(R+M)/2 scale) and its chemical formula (CH3OH) and note that a liquid
fuel with a high octane rating can have as many oxygens as carbons.

The octane number on the pump does not tell you how much "real octane"
is in the gasoline. Extra credit exercise: look up octane numbers for
"normal octane", "normal heptane" and "iso-octane" (a.k.a.
2,2,4-trimethyl pentane).

%mod%

mod, go away.

Subject: Problems with ethanol in fuel
From: (modervador)
Date: 9/28/2004 5:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
"octane", a physical fact, and
"octane rating", a concept, are not hardly the same thing.

That is just what I implied, and that is exactly why looking up the
chemical makeup of octane will not tell you how much oxygen is in
gasoline.

So for the benefit of others less educated, do you know the octane
rating of normal octane?

%mod%


(modervador)
Date: 9/27/2004 1:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

do a google (if you are capable) on the chemical makeup of octane and
see
how
many oxygen atoms you find.

Or you could look up the octane rating of methanol (about 100 on the
(R+M)/2 scale) and its chemical formula (CH3OH) and note that a liquid
fuel with a high octane rating can have as many oxygens as carbons.

The octane number on the pump does not tell you how much "real octane"
is in the gasoline. Extra credit exercise: look up octane numbers for
"normal octane", "normal heptane" and "iso-octane" (a.k.a.
2,2,4-trimethyl pentane).

%mod%

jaxashby tells the world that his contribution to this ng is the same
as the octane rating of normal octane, that is, less than zero.

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
mod, go away.

Subject: Problems with ethanol in fuel
From: (modervador)
Date: 9/28/2004 5:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...
"octane", a physical fact, and
"octane rating", a concept, are not hardly the same thing.

That is just what I implied, and that is exactly why looking up the
chemical makeup of octane will not tell you how much oxygen is in
gasoline.

So for the benefit of others less educated, do you know the octane
rating of normal octane?

%mod%


(modervador)
Date: 9/27/2004 1:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

do a google (if you are capable) on the chemical makeup of octane and
see
how
many oxygen atoms you find.

Or you could look up the octane rating of methanol (about 100 on the
(R+M)/2 scale) and its chemical formula (CH3OH) and note that a liquid
fuel with a high octane rating can have as many oxygens as carbons.

The octane number on the pump does not tell you how much "real octane"
is in the gasoline. Extra credit exercise: look up octane numbers for
"normal octane", "normal heptane" and "iso-octane" (a.k.a.
2,2,4-trimethyl pentane).

%mod%

the octane rating of normal octane, ... is, less than zero.


wtf???

(JAXAshby) wrote in message ...
"octane", a physical fact, and
"octane rating", a concept, are not hardly the same thing.

That is just what I implied, and that is exactly why looking up the
chemical makeup of octane will not tell you how much oxygen is in
gasoline.

So for the benefit of others less educated, do you know the octane
rating of normal octane?

%mod%


(modervador)
Date: 9/27/2004 1:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

(JAXAshby) wrote in message
...

do a google (if you are capable) on the chemical makeup of octane and see
how
many oxygen atoms you find.

Or you could look up the octane rating of methanol (about 100 on the
(R+M)/2 scale) and its chemical formula (CH3OH) and note that a liquid
fuel with a high octane rating can have as many oxygens as carbons.

The octane number on the pump does not tell you how much "real octane"
is in the gasoline. Extra credit exercise: look up octane numbers for
"normal octane", "normal heptane" and "iso-octane" (a.k.a.
2,2,4-trimethyl pentane).

%mod%