genie, there is one hell of a difference. *if* you are able to make a living
using that A&E license you claim you have, you wold know the difference.

but neither is ever going to happen, is it gennei.

thank you hoary for confusing oil film with pressure oil. what a genius you
are. we are honored by your presence.


Even a fourteen year old hammer mechanic understands that the purpose
of pressure lubrication is to establish an oil film.......

Apparently you aren't competent enough mechanic to work on a
lawnmower.... now get out of those Speedos, put that hammer up, and
go back in the house....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

the question is not whether is runs, but rather how long it runs.

duh.


Date: 9/22/2004 1:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

Garth Almgren wrote:
: Around 9/19/2004 10:32 PM, Calif Bill wrote:

: Well jaxass, how come cars have successfully run for years with straight
: weight? My Ford 351W in the boat calls for straight 30 weight.


: As does the Crusader 220 in my dad's Chris...


As does my OMC 3.8 liter (manufacturer recommends straight 30W).

b.

Ever wonder why no one here ever agrees with
anything you ATTEMPT to act like you know about?

nope. never wondered that all. I know the answer, as I stated below.

okay, be a dumb **** then. no skin off my teeth.

Jax, you are nothing short of an ignorant, bitter piece of ****, do
you know that? Ever wonder why you have no friends? THAT is the bitter
piece of **** part. Ever wonder why no one here ever agrees with
anything you ATTEMPT to act like you know about? THAT is the ignorant
part.

because 30w does not lube pressure oil bearings as quickly upon engine
startup
as does 5w-40. Not by a long shot. you can hear the difference, easily.

My point is Merc says to use 10w-30 OR 25W-40. (the only grades they sell)
30HD seems to be right in the middle.
Merc doesn't make 30HD and I suspect that has more to do with the recomendation
than anything.
I do know their 10W-30 is breaking down after 20 hours and I am losing oil
pressure. That is not a good thing.

Before you ask, no they don't have any answers ... I asked.

My point is Merc says to use 10w-30 OR 25W-40. (the only grades they sell)
30HD seems to be right in the middle.
Merc doesn't make 30HD and I suspect that has more to do with the
recomendation
than anything.

Merc doesn't make any oil, it merely repackages it (or more accurately, it has
it repackaged for them).

straight weight oils have not be recommended by major engine manufacturers (of
these kinds of engines) for a couple decades. multi grade oils were developed
to give better lubrication upon engine startup while still giving proper
lubrication at operating termps and loads.

bennie, deliberate stupidity gets the response it deserves.

Ever wonder why no one here ever agrees with
anything you ATTEMPT to act like you know about?

nope. never wondered that all. I know the answer, as I stated below.

okay, be a dumb **** then. no skin off my teeth.

Jax, you are nothing short of an ignorant, bitter piece of ****, do
you know that? Ever wonder why you have no friends? THAT is the bitter
piece of **** part. Ever wonder why no one here ever agrees with
anything you ATTEMPT to act like you know about? THAT is the ignorant
part.







jax i think what bass is trying to say is stick to the topic/s and
leave the personal attacks at home, and unless you are an expert, dont
sprout at the mouth. we are all here to get or recieve help. i
followed your links, if that is indeed you in the photos you should
post with the maturity that you obviously have.

Greg wrote:
because 30w does not lube pressure oil bearings as quickly upon engine
startup
as does 5w-40. Not by a long shot. you can hear the difference, easily.


My point is Merc says to use 10w-30 OR 25W-40. (the only grades they sell)
30HD seems to be right in the middle.
Merc doesn't make 30HD and I suspect that has more to do with the recomendation
than anything.
I do know their 10W-30 is breaking down after 20 hours and I am losing oil
pressure. That is not a good thing.

Before you ask, no they don't have any answers ... I asked.

I still wonder if my Atomic-2 engine would work better, or longer,
if the recommended 10w oil was replaced by 10-30?

My oil pressure goes from 20# cold to 7 or 8 when warmed up to the
"warm" range. I have no thermostat, so the engine is always working
'cool.' Plugs carbon up, I don't care, they are still cheaper than
gas and easily replaced, but my valve guides, piston tops, etc, are
all black, I suspect.

All I want is to get to and from a mooring with reliable backup if
the sailing or current puts me onto the nearby rocks, and the
occasional one day voyage sometimes under power as the times
require, to and from the cottage and the ramp.

Terry K

Merc doesn't make any oil, it merely repackages it (or more accurately, it
has
it repackaged for them).

Exactly why I wonder if all of the "automobile" advice applies to marine
outboards. This is oil made for the auto industry where the "starting" range is
0f or below to a normal operating temp of over 210f (what most auto thermostats
run).
That is an operational range of 200 degrees or so.
Outboards seldom start below 70f and it is closer to 80 most of the time here.
The thermostat is 120f.

I don't know about ya'll, but at 5F, or below,

It 5f or below I realize I have made a terrible vacation choice and I get my
ass below the 27th parallel as fast as possible.

start your engine from cold (whatever temp you happen to be standing in) 30w
oil. Listen to the sounds you engine makes. notice the difference in sounds
coming from the engine over the next 30 to 60 seconds. shut down your engine
and restart, listening to the sounds.

The sounds you hear first that went away in a minute or so is the sounds made
by engine bearings lacking in pressure oil

Now, do the same with 10w-40 and listen again.

end of report.

Merc doesn't make any oil, it merely repackages it (or more accurately, it
has
it repackaged for them).

Exactly why I wonder if all of the "automobile" advice applies to marine
outboards. This is oil made for the auto industry where the "starting" range
is
0f or below to a normal operating temp of over 210f (what most auto
thermostats
run).
That is an operational range of 200 degrees or so.
Outboards seldom start below 70f and it is closer to 80 most of the time
here.
The thermostat is 120f.

genei, you were told to knock it off and stay out of any discussions with
adults present.

"Gene Kearns"
Date: 9/23/2004 2:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 23 Sep 2004 16:54:49 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

Merc doesn't make any oil, it merely repackages it (or more accurately, it
has
it repackaged for them).

Exactly why I wonder if all of the "automobile" advice applies to marine
outboards. This is oil made for the auto industry where the "starting" range
is
0f or below to a normal operating temp of over 210f (what most auto
thermostats
run).
That is an operational range of 200 degrees or so.
Outboards seldom start below 70f and it is closer to 80 most of the time
here.
The thermostat is 120f.

http://www.pennzoil.com/products/mar...ycleHDoil.html

30, 40,and 15W-40.... as you note... 30 will pump at -5F, 40 will pump
at 5F and if you boat at -25F, then 15W-40 is the oil for you.

See, in Jaxworld, water doesn't freeze until some temperature below
-25F and he is still boating. On a moments notice, he needs to start
the engine and pump that oil pressure up quickly so the bearings don't
grind and squeal... or whatever.

I don't know about ya'll, but at 5F, or below, I'm not boating. I'm
pulled up close to the fire, reading a good book, savoring a large
pot of fish stew, and a tall Guiness.....
--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.linksysnet.com Real Time
Pictures at My Marina
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

I still wonder if my Atomic-2 engine would work better, or longer,
if the recommended 10w oil was replaced by 10-30?


10w oil was not the recommended oil, but rather 30w. and yes, it will last
longer if you use 10w-30, unless you start it and run it for hours on end on
end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on
end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on
end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on end on
end on end...

genie, it is way beyond you. don't even try, unless under the supervision of
some high school kid who knows what a spark plug looks like.


Gene Kearns
Date: 9/24/2004 7:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 24 Sep 2004 02:36:39 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

start your engine from cold [and] Listen to the sounds you engine makes.
shut down your engine
and restart, listening to the sounds.

Now, do the same with 10w-40 and listen again.

end of report.

Wow... now *that* is a scientific test if ever I have "heard" one!!!

Now, what do you hear *your* Ouiji Board say???

--



Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC.

http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/cavern/ Homepage
http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC
is located.
http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats
at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:25:47 -0400, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On 25 Sep 2004 00:42:52 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

genie, it is way beyond you. don't even try, unless under the supervision of
some high school kid who knows what a spark plug looks like.


Jax is that your best, most eloquent , and most intelligent response?

My regrets, dood....

Hey Gene -

Is that CW key I see next to the mouse in your computer picture?

And did you ever finish that PA-22?

Later,

Tom

Gene Kearns wrote:
On 25 Sep 2004 00:42:52 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:


genie, it is way beyond you. don't even try, unless under the supervision of
some high school kid who knows what a spark plug looks like.



Jax is that your best, most eloquent , and most intelligent response?

My regrets, dood....


Better known as "Doodles" ..... far more befitting of his maturity and
methodology when responding to most post. It's kinda like he's
"doodling" on the keyboard and not really giving much thought to what
he's saying.

otn

Let's aee now, a guy posts a question about multi-grade oil. From this
we get a couple dozen insulting posts that offer no insight on his
question. Anyone who interacts with jaxasby deserves exactly what they
get. Remember: Do not wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty, but the pig
enjoys it.

And did you ever finish that PA-22?

are you frickin' kidding?

You both get dirty, but the pig
enjoys it.


of course, jood. never let it be said that reality intrudes on you concept of
what is real.

fumb duck.

genie wrote thusly:

[snip all the important stuff]

Gene Kearns wrote:
On 26 Sep 2004 20:59:41 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:


genie wrote thusly:

[snip all the important stuff]


That's a good boy.... arf, arf....



That's Doodles way of saying he's rolled over and playing dead regards
this thread.