Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:59:18 +1100, K Smith
wrote (and a lot more);


Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-)


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Oh well, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned...

...or so it is said.

Karen, you're beginning to sound as obsessed as Skipper used to. Why
not take a break for a while? I'd take you're advice regarding the
kill file but that's a distinction that very few here have ever
earned, and I actually enjoy some of your more lucid posts (way back
when).


Again I sincerely apologise Wayne, however I have no intention of
stopping it indeed I'll be adding to it & then have plans to arrange it
in highlights:-)

Everybody is entitled to their opinion as am I, it's definitely on
topic so again very sorry.

I've been attacked by the grub & a few others for well over 5 years now
& called just about every disgusting thing in the book plus a few I
couldn't even find:-). He's a liar & the trouble is you blokes let him
get away with it, I did too for way too long.

So again I am sorry Wayne & it appears you will indeed need to kill
file me, which I also regret but .....

I certainly will no longer include his lies in any replies to you as a
matter of manners, because I see you as a great participant here.

K

Lloyd Sumpter wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:59:18 +1100, K Smith wrote:


Lloyd Sumpter wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:42:44 +1100, K Smith wrote:



Lloyd Sumpter wrote:


Hi,
OK, here's a boating-related question (Most Rebs and Dems will have NO
IDEA what I'm talking about, but what the hell...):

What's the Story on Cruising Spinnakers (I like to call them "downwind
floppy genoas, because they act more like gennys than true spinnakers)? They
used to be All The Rage, now I rarely see one.

I'm getting a new genny for Far Cove in the near future, so was
wondering if a C.S. was worth the cost.

Yes we used to call then jenickers & they're good. On a previous boat I
was on we had one that came well past the aft lowers & almost to the aft
cockpit when sheeted on. It was cut very full, however it made down hill
passages much more enjoyable. Make sure you have the hardware to easily pole
it, some workable preventer & chafe protection (even for the spreaders because
you'll be surprised how well it works to windward in very light air).



Ah, yes: a pole. Hadn't thought of that. I had one on both my earlier boats,
but the shrouds on Far Cove are placed such that a whiskerpole is hard to set.
In very light air, I've been known to rig up the boathook from one of the
shrouds.



Needless to say they're a compromise for serious windward work but are
OK up to a close reach.

Rarely do cruising yachts, beat to windward for actual passage making
so their lack of on the wind performance is no biggy, besides you just spent
heats on that iron topsail for exactly that point of sailing:-)



Well, in the "protected waters" of Georgia Strait, I prefer to go upwind,
because:
1. There's often not a lot of wind, and although I can make 6+ knots on 7
knots of wind upwind, I don't make much more than 4 downwind.

I'm sure you know all about this but that 6 kts in 7 kts to windward is
an illusion?? Your VMG (Velocity made good) in those premises would be terrible,
indeed you'd get where you're going much quicker if you slowed the boat down.



No illusion. True, your actual tack angle may be closer to 60% than 30, but I
can DEFINITELY get to where I'm going faster upwind in light air than downwind!

Yes I concede that but as you acknowledge you've pulled the apparent
wind around with you. Clearly you're well aware of the issue & enjoy
getting good boat speed in light air, which is fun. Just not much good
for actually beating to windward.

Even more true if I'm not going "directly" upwind: note my downwind examples
have the wind at 160 deg. - the equivalent upwind would be 20 - one long tack
followed by a short one (or moter at that point) and I'm there.

Please stop posting the garbage at the end. You sometimes have interesting
things to say, but a few more of these posts and you're getting bozo'd.

As with Wayne's polite request I'm afraid I will keep appending his
lies, but again as a manners thing I'll try to remember leave it off any
reply I make to you.

When you said "bozo" file I had a look at your full headers; still with
the proper operating system I see??? no crashes, no viruses, worms or
other, the only lowlife or grub I have to deal with is..........well OK
OK I'll stop now:-)

K


Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 18:41:55 -0800, "Lloyd Sumpter"
wrote:
Last time out, I was cruising along at around 5-6 knots in 7 knots wind (45
deg. apparent), and thinking about all the "extra speed" people have promised
me: a clean bottom would get me at least an extra knot, feathering prop 1-2
knots "guaranteed!", new genny a knot or so...geez, I'd be doing over hullspeed!

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Absolutely! And if you buy all of the automotive gadgets that promise
to save you 20% each, youl'll have fuel overflowing from the tank as
you drive.

All I can say about propeller drag is that racing folks take it
extremely seriouly, to the point that some boats send a man overboard
before the start to put a rubber band around the folding prop. The
idea is to keep one of the blades from unfolding accidently as the
boat heels over one way or the other. We rarely did this when I was
(successfully) racing my Cal-34, but I did have the shaft marked so
that we could be sure the hinge pin in the prop was straight up and
down. That is normally enough to keep it folded up. If you have any
additional doubts about the effect of drag, try putting your hand in
the water at 5 knots with your palm facing forward. If your hand
approximates the size of a propeller blade, that is the same force
holding you back with the prop open.

On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 15:50:41 +1100, K Smith
wrote:

I certainly will no longer include his lies in any replies to you as a
matter of manners, because I see you as a great participant here.

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Aww shucks.

I think we all understand your issues with HK but frankly it doesn't
make a bit of difference to me if Harry lies or not. If his storys
are true, good for him. If not, then it's unfortunate that he finds
the need to stoke his ego in that way. You could even view it has a
handicap of sorts.

Let it go at that and you'll be happier with the world.