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pontoon on the gulf of mexico
I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Anybody ignorant enough to post a 760KB in a non-binary group is too
ignorant to have a boat. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
if you notice dim wit I cut the post down. if anyone is so ignorant that the
make issue of the size of the file I sent probably isn't worth my time to get advise from. it is apparent that you don't have answers worth listening to. you must not have the knowledge or the brains to give an informed answer anyway. Calif bill must be short for Calif idiot. I have met people like you and I must say they mostly are unskilled laborers working as CALIF PRODUCE PICKERS and use library computers to respond. I didn't mean to interrupt you from the usual kiddy porn, folks like you spend 18 hours a day trolling through Does anyone else have the intelligence to answer the question? Thanks TongSlinger "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... Anybody ignorant enough to post a 760KB in a non-binary group is too ignorant to have a boat. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
First, let me apologize for some of the members of this list.
Their posts speak for themselves. Yes, you could take a pontoon boat into the gulf, IF,,and this is a big if, you are very sure of the weather, the structure of the vessel, and have saftey gear, a vhf, a gps,and a cell phone. Also, I would not venture to far from others. I have done it several times. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Peeps have taken lesser craft onto the Gulf and survived. You seem to be a
highly intelligent individual. However, it appears that you lack the confidence to make this important decision on your own. Tell us a little about yourself and your boat so that we can give you some informed advice. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
I agree with all and will add: I've seen bass boats, jon boats, etc outside
of the Pensacola pass with the right weather. But, even when the wind is calm to 10 knots and 80% of the waves are 2' or less there will be an occasional 3-4footer, or larger waves from a large boat's wake, and finally, due to wind, and tide changes, I've seen 4footers in the pass when everything else is 1 to 2'. LD "Florida Keyz" wrote in message ... First, let me apologize for some of the members of this list. Their posts speak for themselves. Yes, you could take a pontoon boat into the gulf, IF,,and this is a big if, you are very sure of the weather, the structure of the vessel, and have saftey gear, a vhf, a gps,and a cell phone. Also, I would not venture to far from others. I have done it several times. |
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TongSlinger???,
I would not take your boat out into the Gulf. First, nasty little storms can be on you before you know it and your boat is not equipped to handle the conditions that these storms often create. Second, your boat is slow and so even if you know bad weather is approaching it's pretty risky to try to out run it. The only substitute for a lake boat on the ocean is high speed capability. The only substitute for high speed capability on the ocean is a seaworthy boat. One can always find someone with which to fish in the Gulf who has a boat suited. You can pay back by hosting inshore trips. Butch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
I see 'em out there all the time. Just watch the wind forecast. If it's
out of the North or West, and anything over 5-10 knots, stay home. If it's out of the East, you can usually venture out to about 1/2-1 mile in almost any wind conditions because the land blocks the waves. I've seen pontoons out 5-8 miles in the right wind conditions...but almost always in the late spring when conditions are favorable. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
They run 20' pontoons out to the artificial reefs (~4 miles) all the time
around here and we don't have any huge body count. Just watch the weather and learn how to read it. Those people who say a storm "just came up on them" weren't watching the clouds and didn't check the forcast before they left the dock. The weather radar channel (25 on Comcast in SW Fla) is a great resource. Morning trips are generally safer than afternoon trips but YMMV. Also inspect your boat often, looking for cracks and corrosion at all the joints where the pontoons connect to the deck. If your boat holds together you can deal with some pretty rough seas but you will be wet, both from inside and outside of your pants. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
"TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. First off, if you haven't been told already, it is not a good idea to post large binary files in a discussion newsgroup. People with a slow connection will wait forever to download that image. If nothing else, make a low resolution copy, a 50K version would have been just as good at the 750 K version you posted (previous message....) This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated My experience with pontoon boats in general is that they do not handle large waves at all. Take the case of a typical hull boat going into the waves. Nominally, the hull is supported by the displaced water about the "water line". When a wave is encountered, and the boat has to be suddenly lifted, the force to supply this lift comes from the added buoyancy as the wave encounters the bow. Look at how much more hull is pressing against the water as a two foot wave presses into it. A hull has a lot of floatation "reserve". Now take a pontoon boat. It is floating nicely and a two foot wave comes along. How much more buoyancy do you get when that wave hits the front of the boat? Not much! There is very little added lift to get the bow up over the wave. Without the added lift the bow will just submarine through the wave. If the weather is nice and the sea is calm the pontoon boat will do okay. But if you get caught in a sudden storm you could be in big trouble. Rod McInnis |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Tong,
I used to take a 24' Crest pontoon boat out of Ft. Myers Beach. If the wind is down I didn't hesitate to take it around the island or over to Sanibel Island. The furthest I took it off shore was probably four miles or so, there was enough privacy out there. :-) One of the problem with a pontoon is that if the waves and wind kick up a bit, it can be a wet ride, much wetter than the 23' Maxxum (mono hull) my father in law now has. Paul "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
How much more buoyancy do you get when that wave hits the front of
the boat? Not much! There is very little added lift to get the bow up over the wave. Without the added lift the bow will just submarine through the wave. Exactly right but you can open the doors and let the water out :-) They don't "swamp" and sink. If you take the wave at an angle they will not submarine much, but blue water comes over the rail on the second wave. In the Estero River I get wakes as bad as the waves in the gulf on all but the worst days. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
JIMinMA
Thank you for the reply. Confidence isn't the problem as I had all but decided to take the pontoon onto the gulf before I posted to this group. I was just wondering if I was being over-confident. I have seen in some of the posts that there are factors that I didn't account for, such as bow lift from the on coming waves. I also assumed that a GPS and a cell phone would be enough, but the VHF radio is something that I didn't think of. Structural integrity is not a problem as this pontoon is only 2 years old. I have been a lake boater for years using tri-hulls v-bottom and pontoons. I am glad I posted this question, as for the most part it has given me other thing to consider. When we were in the Keys, we rented a pontoon that was only 16 ft and had a 35 horse motor. We went about 4 miles out on the Atlantic side with no problems. Naturally I assumed bigger is better and safer. Thank you for your input ".JIMinMA." wrote in message ... Peeps have taken lesser craft onto the Gulf and survived. You seem to be a highly intelligent individual. However, it appears that you lack the confidence to make this important decision on your own. Tell us a little about yourself and your boat so that we can give you some informed advice. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Thanks Boaters All.
Sorry I posted the large binary, I was wanting everyone to see the boat I was going to take to the gulf. Thanks for all the responses that I received to my question. It has made me aware of some issues that I didn't even consider. Now I will be even more aware of various situations and the environment in which I'll be boating. Again Thanks to all that responded to my post TS "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Now I will be even more
aware of various situations and the environment in which I'll be boating. What area are you in? |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Western Oklahoma
"Greg" wrote in message ... Now I will be even more aware of various situations and the environment in which I'll be boating. What area are you in? |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
You are the dimwit. You post a 760K post in a non-binary group. You an
unskilled computer person? As to kiddie porn, most likely you. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... if you notice dim wit I cut the post down. if anyone is so ignorant that the make issue of the size of the file I sent probably isn't worth my time to get advise from. it is apparent that you don't have answers worth listening to. you must not have the knowledge or the brains to give an informed answer anyway. Calif bill must be short for Calif idiot. I have met people like you and I must say they mostly are unskilled laborers working as CALIF PRODUCE PICKERS and use library computers to respond. I didn't mean to interrupt you from the usual kiddy porn, folks like you spend 18 hours a day trolling through Does anyone else have the intelligence to answer the question? Thanks TongSlinger "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... Anybody ignorant enough to post a 760KB in a non-binary group is too ignorant to have a boat. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Bill,
Never mind what you said, I have had several responses from intelligence people that were quite helpful. I forgive this futile effort to keep this flame going. I don't believe in killfiles so I will just ignore you from this point on. Thank you for your jaded advise. TS "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... You are the dimwit. You post a 760K post in a non-binary group. You an unskilled computer person? As to kiddie porn, most likely you. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... if you notice dim wit I cut the post down. if anyone is so ignorant that the make issue of the size of the file I sent probably isn't worth my time to get advise from. it is apparent that you don't have answers worth listening to. you must not have the knowledge or the brains to give an informed answer anyway. Calif bill must be short for Calif idiot. I have met people like you and I must say they mostly are unskilled laborers working as CALIF PRODUCE PICKERS and use library computers to respond. I didn't mean to interrupt you from the usual kiddy porn, folks like you spend 18 hours a day trolling through Does anyone else have the intelligence to answer the question? Thanks TongSlinger "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... Anybody ignorant enough to post a 760KB in a non-binary group is too ignorant to have a boat. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Just replying to a piece of ****, who accuses people of kiddie porn!
"TongSlinger" wrote in message t... Bill, Never mind what you said, I have had several responses from intelligence people that were quite helpful. I forgive this futile effort to keep this flame going. I don't believe in killfiles so I will just ignore you from this point on. Thank you for your jaded advise. TS "Calif Bill" wrote in message link.net... You are the dimwit. You post a 760K post in a non-binary group. You an unskilled computer person? As to kiddie porn, most likely you. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... if you notice dim wit I cut the post down. if anyone is so ignorant that the make issue of the size of the file I sent probably isn't worth my time to get advise from. it is apparent that you don't have answers worth listening to. you must not have the knowledge or the brains to give an informed answer anyway. Calif bill must be short for Calif idiot. I have met people like you and I must say they mostly are unskilled laborers working as CALIF PRODUCE PICKERS and use library computers to respond. I didn't mean to interrupt you from the usual kiddy porn, folks like you spend 18 hours a day trolling through Does anyone else have the intelligence to answer the question? Thanks TongSlinger "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... Anybody ignorant enough to post a 760KB in a non-binary group is too ignorant to have a boat. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
"TongSlinger" wrote in message et...
I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch Calm weather, no problem. Watch the forecast carefully. Also, don't let some of the resident fools here bother you. Some get a big kick out of being assholes. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
"Greg" wrote in message ... They don't "swamp" and sink. I have seen pontoon boats "submarine" , where the wave over the front pushed the bow down and then the momentum drove them well underwater. They should surface again, but they may not be in one piece, and can certainly be non running afterwards. Gear and people can be lost overboard. In the Estero River I get wakes as bad as the waves in the gulf on all but the worst days. Wakes on a river have their limits, and generally come in sets of two. There is no limit to the size of the waves on an ocean, and they can be relentless. On a river, safe ground isn't that far away. A few miles out on an ocean an you can be in a world of hurt. Rod |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Despite good advice to the contrary folks will do incredibly stupid things in
boats. What's most troubling to me is the encouragement they get from this forum. The person asking the question is a pilgrim. Why provide bad advice to him. Can one "get away with" taking a pontoon boat offshore? Certainly, usually. Should one tempt fate in such a way? IMO, no.... particularly with others aboard. Butch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
I have seen pontoon boats "submarine" , where the wave over the front
pushed the bow down and then the momentum drove them well underwater Been there, done that. The first day I had my boat I got caught in open water bringing it home. What happens is it submarines but then the prop comes out of the water and you pop back out. After a couple of those I figured out quartering the sea was the trick, just like most boats. I ended up "tacking" my way home since the course was dead into the sea. That was the nastiest day I have had on the water in this boat. Seas at about 4-6 and sea fog so bad I couldn't see land. (with a Wal-Mart compass I wasn't sure about) I would not have done it if I knew it was that bad. The water where I started was fairly well protected. The only bad stretch was across the mouth of the Caloosahatchee near that Sanibel Bridge we are arguing about in the $27,500 speeding ticket thread. It was about 2 miles of hell and I was back "inside" again. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Greg,
That post gave a chuckle, my brother in law decided to go through a large yacht's wake head on. Myself and his dad were sitting in the bow section, each on different couches, his dad on starboard, me on port. He plowed into that wave and we were drenched in green water. I wasn't a happy camper but so goes boating. Another time he was out on his wave runner (trailered it down from Michigan), he made a run for our starboard beam. On the aft port couch sat our digital camera, I thought he was going to slow down and come along side. I soon realized that he wasn't slowing down and was on a collision course, at the last moment he did a 180. Needless to say he threw up a tidal wave, I had just enough time to leap on the camera to protect it from the wave. Now that time....if I could have got a hold of him...well you know. Paul "Greg" wrote in message ... I have seen pontoon boats "submarine" , where the wave over the front pushed the bow down and then the momentum drove them well underwater Been there, done that. The first day I had my boat I got caught in open water bringing it home. What happens is it submarines but then the prop comes out of the water and you pop back out. After a couple of those I figured out quartering the sea was the trick, just like most boats. I ended up "tacking" my way home since the course was dead into the sea. That was the nastiest day I have had on the water in this boat. Seas at about 4-6 and sea fog so bad I couldn't see land. (with a Wal-Mart compass I wasn't sure about) I would not have done it if I knew it was that bad. The water where I started was fairly well protected. The only bad stretch was across the mouth of the Caloosahatchee near that Sanibel Bridge we are arguing about in the $27,500 speeding ticket thread. It was about 2 miles of hell and I was back "inside" again. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Seems to me this person posted the same silly (OK not silly, no honest question
is silly...) question some time back...Are we rising to the chum yet again? By the way, pontoons have no business in open water. Those folks who have taken a USCG or US POWER SQUADRON boating class would know the answer. Happy Holidays Mike Orig post was " Date: 12/3/2003 9:22 PM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: .net You are the dimwit. You post a 760K post in a non-binary group. You an unskilled computer person? As to kiddie porn, most likely you. "TongSlinger" wrote in message et... if you notice dim wit I cut the post down. if anyone is so ignorant that the make issue of the size of the file I sent probably isn't worth my time to get advise from. it is apparent that you don't have answers worth listening to. you must not have the knowledge or the brains to give an informed answer anyway. Calif bill must be short for Calif idiot. I have met people like you and I must say they mostly are unskilled laborers working as CALIF PRODUCE PICKERS and use library computers to respond. I didn't mean to interrupt you from the usual kiddy porn, folks like you spend 18 hours a day trolling through Does anyone else have the intelligence to answer the question? Thanks TongSlinger "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... Anybody ignorant enough to post a 760KB in a non-binary group is too ignorant to have a boat. "TongSlinger" wrote in message t... I want to take a pontoon onto the gulf of Mexico. Does anybody have a good reason I shouldn't take a pontoon on the ocean for a day trip. This is a 21 foot fisher with a 90 HP Mercury outboard, it is also equipped with depth finder and GPS for navigation. any input would be appreciated Thanks Captain Crunch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
By the way, pontoons have no business in open water.
Neither do bow riders, bass boats and jon boats but we see them out at May Reef. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
I would not take a person in poor health, the elderly or a small child
on such a voyage, but otherwise it's your life. I know someone who has regularly crossed the Long Island Sound in a 25' pontoon with a 30 hp Nissan 4 stroke this past summer. I think he's foolish, but he's still alive. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
The best reason not to is that it was never made for that
type of water. "JDavis1277" wrote in message ... Despite good advice to the contrary folks will do incredibly stupid things in boats. What's most troubling to me is the encouragement they get from this forum. The person asking the question is a pilgrim. Why provide bad advice to him. Can one "get away with" taking a pontoon boat offshore? Certainly, usually. Should one tempt fate in such a way? IMO, no.... particularly with others aboard. Butch |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
The best reason not to is that it was never made for that type of water. Don't confuse the Gulf with the ocean. If someone is simply going a few miles offshore they are not going to see the pounding waves you see in the ocean unless there is a storm nearby. In most places in Fla the water will still be 30' deep or so. You can get in a lot more trouble in the great lakes and I don't see people saying you can't run a pontoon there. Weather is always a factor on the water, no matter where you run. |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
You can get in a lot more trouble in the great lakes and I
don't see people saying you can't run a pontoon there. You can't run a pontoon there. Nobody runs pontoon boats on Lake Michigan? |
pontoon on the gulf of mexico
Greg,
Actually I don't see a whole lot of pontoons on Lake Saint Clair [the sixth Great Lake :-)]. I'm sure there's some, but I see a whole lot more around Ft. Myers Beach in Florida. Probably see more pontoons around here on inland lakes. Paul "Greg" wrote in message ... The best reason not to is that it was never made for that type of water. Don't confuse the Gulf with the ocean. If someone is simply going a few miles offshore they are not going to see the pounding waves you see in the ocean unless there is a storm nearby. In most places in Fla the water will still be 30' deep or so. You can get in a lot more trouble in the great lakes and I don't see people saying you can't run a pontoon there. Weather is always a factor on the water, no matter where you run. |
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I see a whole lot more
around Ft. Myers Beach in Florida. It is the perfect boat if you hang out in the bays but there are still plenty of guys who run out to the artificial reefs in them. I am not talking about sailing to CanCun or Key West. I assumed we were just talking about a short ride a few miles out in the gulf on a calm winter day. |
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As some one who grew up on the Gulf (Treasure Island, Maderia Beach, Reddington
Beach...etc) belive me, the "shallow water" alluded to in the last post can get you in big trouble as the seas can quickly build into a steep short period chop. Rea steep. Real quick. Very short period. Granted the squall mabe lasts a half hour but it's a white knuckled half hour! Take care Mike Previous post=Don't confuse the Gulf with the ocean. If someone is simply going a few miles offshore they are not going to see the pounding waves you see in the ocean unless there is a storm nearby. In most places in Fla the water will still be 30' deep or so. You can get in a lot more trouble in the great lakes and I don't see people saying you can't run a pontoon there. Weather is always a factor on the water, no matter where you run. |
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From what I am reading I assume everyone in the Gulf must be running 25' boats
or larger. I will certainly go anywhere in my pontoon boat someone in a 17' bow rider will go and I will get back alive. |
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Greg,
I agree completely. Furthest out I usually went was about four miles because that afforded us privacy. Never felt comfortable enough to try diving the barges which I was told were about ten miles out. In calm seas they're great, in a three foot chop they're wet and cold. In the bays you can't get more bank for the buck. BTW - Happy holidays to you and yours. Paul "Greg" wrote in message ... I see a whole lot more around Ft. Myers Beach in Florida. It is the perfect boat if you hang out in the bays but there are still plenty of guys who run out to the artificial reefs in them. I am not talking about sailing to CanCun or Key West. I assumed we were just talking about a short ride a few miles out in the gulf on a calm winter day. |
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I don't know what you be smoking, but around here, the water is 80' deep a
couple of miles out in the gulf, and 20 or so you hit the 50-fathom curve. Its ~70 miles to the Desoto Canyon, which for all intents and purposes is a bottomless pit - 2000+. I suppose it all depends on where "here" is but if you look on the chart you will see that 6 miles out from Big Carlos Pass is about 30 feet and that is twice as far as we were talking about. Guys who go out 70 miles in 24' center consoles wash up on the beach in Cape Canaveral, what's your point? |
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If Big Carlos is kicked up I run into the beach on the south side, run just
outside the Lover's Key swim markers and cut through behind the bar. |
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