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Digital Charts
Anyone interested in NOAA charts.. I have available high resolution
full color digital charts ( on CD's) for just about all US waters and possessions. Issue dates are from mid 80's to 2000. These charts are calibrated for use with the included real-time navigation software that shows position, speed, direction etc. similar to Maptech or Nobeltec navigation programs. For more information check out my website at http://americanchart.com Also included are other free navigation aids and programs, GPS positions, navigation info and other utilities. |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:46:21 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On 30 Aug 2004 22:18:03 -0700, (Rex Jones) wrote: Anyone interested in NOAA charts.. I have available high resolution full color digital charts ( on CD's) for just about all US waters and possessions. Issue dates are from mid 80's to 2000. These charts are calibrated for use with the included real-time navigation software that shows position, speed, direction etc. similar to Maptech or Nobeltec navigation programs. For more information check out my website at http://americanchart.com Also included are other free navigation aids and programs, GPS positions, navigation info and other utilities. =========================================== If the quality of your business is no better than the website, don't quit your day job. Wayne - Are you doing anything with digital charts? I've gotten weary of the small GPS chartplotters (I have a Standard Horizon 170 on Yo Ho), and think the larger ones are grossly overpriced, considering they basically are single-purpose devices, and even the $2500 units have relatively small screens. My tiny block of Garmin stock doesn't earn me much of a discount! So, once again, I am considering switching over to a PC-software based chartplotter. I've messed around using my laptop on Yo Ho, but the keyboards on these devices don't react well to moisture. So I am thinking of picking up one of the small footprint PC boxes, either 12V or run off a converter, and installing a 15" LCD screen in the cabin and a waterproof keyboard on top of the "dashboard." I've been using Cap'n Mariner; do you have experience with any of the other suites? Interestingly, ALL the hardware one needs for such an installation is half the price of a $2500 dedicated chartplotter, plus you get a much larger screen, a real keyboard and the ability to perform the usual computer functions. Any advice? Actually, I can address this. The problem with computer based operations on a boat, even one like your Parker, is shock mounting the computer. It's almost impossible to do correctly on a small boat with a store bought computer. I've seen some gimbal type shock mounts, but on anything less than 40 feet, they are useless. I tried to use one on my Contender and gave up. I couldn't get the computer to stay up long enough to do any good unless the water was like glass and even then, the vibrations from the outboards would cause it to go berzerk evey once in a while. Even remote mounting the computer in a box with pads everywhere didn't help. There's a bunch of marie laptops out there, but from the reviews I've read (and that is by no means complete), this type of application for laptops is not the greatest in the marine environment. I went with the dedicated chartplotter - it does what it's supposed to do. Take care. Tom "The beatings will stop when morale improves." E. Teach, 1717 |
On 30 Aug 2004 22:18:03 -0700, (Rex Jones)
wrote: Anyone interested in NOAA charts.. I have available high resolution full color digital charts ( on CD's) for just about all US waters and possessions. Issue dates are from mid 80's to 2000. These charts are calibrated for use with the included real-time navigation software that shows position, speed, direction etc. similar to Maptech or Nobeltec navigation programs. For more information check out my website at http://americanchart.com Also included are other free navigation aids and programs, GPS positions, navigation info and other utilities. You need to work on the site a little. Take care. Tom "The beatings will stop when morale improves." E. Teach, 1717 |
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On 30 Aug 2004 22:18:03 -0700, (Rex Jones) wrote: Anyone interested in NOAA charts.. I have available high resolution full color digital charts ( on CD's) for just about all US waters and possessions. Issue dates are from mid 80's to 2000. These charts are calibrated for use with the included real-time navigation software that shows position, speed, direction etc. similar to Maptech or Nobeltec navigation programs. For more information check out my website at http://americanchart.com Also included are other free navigation aids and programs, GPS positions, navigation info and other utilities. =========================================== If the quality of your business is no better than the website, don't quit your day job. Wayne - Are you doing anything with digital charts? I've gotten weary of the small GPS chartplotters (I have a Standard Horizon 170 on Yo Ho), and think the larger ones are grossly overpriced, considering they basically are single-purpose devices, and even the $2500 units have relatively small screens. My tiny block of Garmin stock doesn't earn me much of a discount! So, once again, I am considering switching over to a PC-software based chartplotter. I've messed around using my laptop on Yo Ho, but the keyboards on these devices don't react well to moisture. So I am thinking of picking up one of the small footprint PC boxes, either 12V or run off a converter, and installing a 15" LCD screen in the cabin and a waterproof keyboard on top of the "dashboard." I've been using Cap'n Mariner; do you have experience with any of the other suites? Interestingly, ALL the hardware one needs for such an installation is half the price of a $2500 dedicated chartplotter, plus you get a much larger screen, a real keyboard and the ability to perform the usual computer functions. Any advice? I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:05:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On 30 Aug 2004 22:18:03 -0700, (Rex Jones) wrote: Anyone interested in NOAA charts.. I have available high resolution full color digital charts ( on CD's) for just about all US waters and possessions. Issue dates are from mid 80's to 2000. These charts are calibrated for use with the included real-time navigation software that shows position, speed, direction etc. similar to Maptech or Nobeltec navigation programs. For more information check out my website at http://americanchart.com Also included are other free navigation aids and programs, GPS positions, navigation info and other utilities. =========================================== If the quality of your business is no better than the website, don't quit your day job. Wayne - Are you doing anything with digital charts? I've gotten weary of the small GPS chartplotters (I have a Standard Horizon 170 on Yo Ho), and think the larger ones are grossly overpriced, considering they basically are single-purpose devices, and even the $2500 units have relatively small screens. My tiny block of Garmin stock doesn't earn me much of a discount! So, once again, I am considering switching over to a PC-software based chartplotter. I've messed around using my laptop on Yo Ho, but the keyboards on these devices don't react well to moisture. So I am thinking of picking up one of the small footprint PC boxes, either 12V or run off a converter, and installing a 15" LCD screen in the cabin and a waterproof keyboard on top of the "dashboard." I've been using Cap'n Mariner; do you have experience with any of the other suites? Interestingly, ALL the hardware one needs for such an installation is half the price of a $2500 dedicated chartplotter, plus you get a much larger screen, a real keyboard and the ability to perform the usual computer functions. Any advice? I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ROTFLMAO!!!! Do those charts also have a "Here there be monsters" warning? :) Actually, I had this discussion with my brother this morning. I've always used paper charts with electronic backup when available. I really like the new graphical GPS units, in particular my latest toy, a Raymarine RC400 which is REALLY cool. He prefers electronic. But I will always use visual/radar fixes and paper checking against the GPS everytime. Later, Tom |
Doug Kanter wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... Wayne.B wrote: On 30 Aug 2004 22:18:03 -0700, (Rex Jones) wrote: Anyone interested in NOAA charts.. I have available high resolution full color digital charts ( on CD's) for just about all US waters and possessions. Issue dates are from mid 80's to 2000. These charts are calibrated for use with the included real-time navigation software that shows position, speed, direction etc. similar to Maptech or Nobeltec navigation programs. For more information check out my website at http://americanchart.com Also included are other free navigation aids and programs, GPS positions, navigation info and other utilities. =========================================== If the quality of your business is no better than the website, don't quit your day job. Wayne - Are you doing anything with digital charts? I've gotten weary of the small GPS chartplotters (I have a Standard Horizon 170 on Yo Ho), and think the larger ones are grossly overpriced, considering they basically are single-purpose devices, and even the $2500 units have relatively small screens. My tiny block of Garmin stock doesn't earn me much of a discount! So, once again, I am considering switching over to a PC-software based chartplotter. I've messed around using my laptop on Yo Ho, but the keyboards on these devices don't react well to moisture. So I am thinking of picking up one of the small footprint PC boxes, either 12V or run off a converter, and installing a 15" LCD screen in the cabin and a waterproof keyboard on top of the "dashboard." I've been using Cap'n Mariner; do you have experience with any of the other suites? Interestingly, ALL the hardware one needs for such an installation is half the price of a $2500 dedicated chartplotter, plus you get a much larger screen, a real keyboard and the ability to perform the usual computer functions. Any advice? I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? We have the opposite problem here...water, less water, and sheeet....we're on the bottom again. Usually unmarked and unpredictable. Unless you want to bury your face in a paper chart when fishing near the edges, you want a chartplotter that displays depths as you're moving along... -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:Zk1Zc.4397 I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? We do! Last I heard they were the only legal kind for the Canadian East Coast . |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:46:21 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: I've been using Cap'n Mariner; do you have experience with any of the other suites? Interestingly, ALL the hardware one needs for such an installation is half the price of a $2500 dedicated chartplotter, plus you get a much larger screen, a real keyboard and the ability to perform the usual computer functions. Any advice? ===================================== I use Maptech Offshore Navigator with the Maptech BSB chart CDs. My hardware varys but most often I use a small Compaq Pentium III laptop with an external 15 inch flat panel monitor. The P3 laptops are available used/reconditioned these days at very reasonable prices so I don't worry too much about them getting wet. As long as you're using an external monitor, screen size and quality on the laptop is not important. I once took an old IBM P2 wrapped in saran wrap to Bermuda on a sailboat. It survived just fine even with lots of spray finding its way below decks. I use a large plastic envelope to protect the flat panel display in stinky conditions. These are sold at W-M as protection for chart books. I've also used one of the small form factor PCs with good success, coupled up with a small rubber keyboard that is waterproof (CompUSA). In theory it would have run straight from 12V ships power but have always ran it from a small 50 watt inverter instead (better voltage stability). |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:11:38 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: The problem with computer based operations on a boat, even one like your Parker, is shock mounting the computer. ====================================== Maybe I've been lucky but I've never found this to be a problem. It is true that Mrs B likes a soft ride however. |
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:46:21 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I've been using Cap'n Mariner; do you have experience with any of the other suites? Interestingly, ALL the hardware one needs for such an installation is half the price of a $2500 dedicated chartplotter, plus you get a much larger screen, a real keyboard and the ability to perform the usual computer functions. Any advice? ===================================== I've also used one of the small form factor PCs with good success, coupled up with a small rubber keyboard that is waterproof (CompUSA). In theory it would have run straight from 12V ships power but have always ran it from a small 50 watt inverter instead (better voltage stability). There's an electrical cabinet inside the cabin of our Parker, and right below it there is plenty of room on the bulkhead to mount and protect a small form factor PC and an inverter. From there, it's easy access to the main cabin control panel and some sort of keyboard. I've got a Furuno fishfinder/bottom plotter mounted on the cabin overhead, but I could easily move that to the dash where the Standard Horizon 170 now resides, and attach a 15" LCD to the overhead. I like your idea of the super baggie to protect the monitor... Most of the nav program input can be handled with a trackball/pointer device. Perhaps a winter project. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:11:38 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: The problem with computer based operations on a boat, even one like your Parker, is shock mounting the computer. ====================================== Maybe I've been lucky but I've never found this to be a problem. It is true that Mrs B likes a soft ride however. It seems to me with one of the small "Shuttle" PCs, so long as you arranged for cooling access, you could mount the box itself inside a carved block of shock-absorbing foam, and then attach the works to a gimbal bracket. But I haven't spent any real time conjuring this...yet. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:01:06 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: It seems to me with one of the small "Shuttle" PCs, so long as you arranged for cooling access, you could mount the box itself inside a carved block of shock-absorbing foam, and then attach the works to a gimbal bracket. But I haven't spent any real time conjuring this...yet. ===================================== Foam (large sponge?) might be a good idea but the gimbal would be overkill in my opinion. These things don't really care if they are perfectly level or not. My laptops would have stopped working long ago if that was the case. |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:05:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ======================================== You've got to stop navigating with those placemats from the restaurant. |
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:05:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ======================================== You've got to stop navigating with those placemats from the restaurant. They certainly were popular in NE Florida. Every season there was at least one tale of missing boaters who were later found and who said they simply "followed the map on the placemat..." -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:01:06 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: It seems to me with one of the small "Shuttle" PCs, so long as you arranged for cooling access, you could mount the box itself inside a carved block of shock-absorbing foam, and then attach the works to a gimbal bracket. But I haven't spent any real time conjuring this...yet. ===================================== Foam (large sponge?) might be a good idea but the gimbal would be overkill in my opinion. These things don't really care if they are perfectly level or not. My laptops would have stopped working long ago if that was the case. I think I'll make up a nice little open top polymer box for inside the cabin for something like the Shuttle, as soon as I figure out exactly where I'd stick the monitor and whether it would work OK there. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:50:43 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:46:21 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: I've been using Cap'n Mariner; do you have experience with any of the other suites? Interestingly, ALL the hardware one needs for such an installation is half the price of a $2500 dedicated chartplotter, plus you get a much larger screen, a real keyboard and the ability to perform the usual computer functions. Any advice? ===================================== I use Maptech Offshore Navigator with the Maptech BSB chart CDs. My hardware varys but most often I use a small Compaq Pentium III laptop with an external 15 inch flat panel monitor. The P3 laptops are available used/reconditioned these days at very reasonable prices so I don't worry too much about them getting wet. As long as you're using an external monitor, screen size and quality on the laptop is not important. I once took an old IBM P2 wrapped in saran wrap to Bermuda on a sailboat. It survived just fine even with lots of spray finding its way below decks. I use a large plastic envelope to protect the flat panel display in stinky conditions. These are sold at W-M as protection for chart books. I've also used one of the small form factor PCs with good success, coupled up with a small rubber keyboard that is waterproof (CompUSA). In theory it would have run straight from 12V ships power but have always ran it from a small 50 watt inverter instead (better voltage stability). When you say "form factor" PC, you are talking about motherboard configurations, right? What would be the difference between your computer and a laptop for instance? Later, Tom |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:07:50 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:01:06 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: It seems to me with one of the small "Shuttle" PCs, so long as you arranged for cooling access, you could mount the box itself inside a carved block of shock-absorbing foam, and then attach the works to a gimbal bracket. But I haven't spent any real time conjuring this...yet. ===================================== Foam (large sponge?) might be a good idea but the gimbal would be overkill in my opinion. These things don't really care if they are perfectly level or not. My laptops would have stopped working long ago if that was the case. Do you not use a disk drive? Later, Tom |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:03:52 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 08:46:21 -0400, Harry Krause wrote: ~~ snippage ~~ Any advice? Actually, I can address this. The problem with computer based operations on a boat, even one like your Parker, is shock mounting the computer. It's almost impossible to do correctly on a small boat with a store bought computer. I've seen some gimbal type shock mounts, but on anything less than 40 feet, they are useless. I tried to use one on my Contender and gave up. I couldn't get the computer to stay up long enough to do any good unless the water was like glass and even then, the vibrations from the outboards would cause it to go berzerk evey once in a while. Even remote mounting the computer in a box with pads everywhere didn't help. There's a bunch of marie laptops out there, but from the reviews I've read (and that is by no means complete), this type of application for laptops is not the greatest in the marine environment. I went with the dedicated chartplotter - it does what it's supposed to do. Take care. Tom "The beatings will stop when morale improves." E. Teach, 1717 There are some very small PCs out there now, such as the small footprint units made by Shuttle. Perhaps it would be easy to vibrate-isolate. I've used my laptop on Yo Ho a couple of times, and it wasn't much fun, though it did become easier when I substituted a good trackball for the mouse. I tried that. Then again, the Contender is a very different boat than a Parker. Later, Tom |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:08:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: ===================================== Foam (large sponge?) might be a good idea but the gimbal would be overkill in my opinion. These things don't really care if they are perfectly level or not. My laptops would have stopped working long ago if that was the case. Do you not use a disk drive? ========================================= Of course. Do you think a laptop disk drive cares about which way it's oriented? I'm not recommending that you pick up your laptop and shake it or drop it, but try picking it up and turning it in different directions. It doesn't care. They would be unusable for their intended purpose otherwise, and would come equipped with a bubble level on the cover. |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:08:10 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: When you say "form factor" PC, you are talking about motherboard configurations, right? What would be the difference between your computer and a laptop for instance? My "small" pc has a footprint barely larger than a CD (squared), and is about 3 inches high. It has no built in screen, pointing device or keyboard. Those are the primary differences. Internally it is built as a stack with the CDROM on the bottom, hard disk in the middle and mother board on top. |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:03:06 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:08:16 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: ===================================== Foam (large sponge?) might be a good idea but the gimbal would be overkill in my opinion. These things don't really care if they are perfectly level or not. My laptops would have stopped working long ago if that was the case. Do you not use a disk drive? ========================================= Of course. Do you think a laptop disk drive cares about which way it's oriented? Actually that's not my concern, but since you mentioned it, in a way the read/record head does care how it flies over the surface of the disk. Orientation (except for upside down) isn't really an issue since they changed to voice coil actuation. However, the manufacturers generally recommend a "standard" mount which I already mentioned - the reason being that is how they are designed and tested to work those ways. I'm not recommending that you pick up your laptop and shake it or drop it, but try picking it up and turning it in different directions. It doesn't care. They would be unusable for their intended purpose otherwise, and would come equipped with a bubble level on the cover. So in your experience, you have not had vibration or shock problem with the disc head on either the ROM or the memory disc? Later, Tom |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:08:33 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:08:10 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: When you say "form factor" PC, you are talking about motherboard configurations, right? What would be the difference between your computer and a laptop for instance? My "small" pc has a footprint barely larger than a CD (squared), and is about 3 inches high. It has no built in screen, pointing device or keyboard. Those are the primary differences. Internally it is built as a stack with the CDROM on the bottom, hard disk in the middle and mother board on top. Kewl. What brand is it? Later, Tom |
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:34:28 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: So in your experience, you have not had vibration or shock problem with the disc head on either the ROM or the memory disc? =============================================== Not yet but I never use the CDROM underway, all charts are copied to the hard disk. With the exception of the 24 ft I/O and the sailboats, all have had a fairly smooth ride however (Bertram 33, Grand Banks 49). On the other hand I also use a laptop in my truck when on trips, and have never had a problem with that either. In the truck the laptop is frequently placed on edge when no one is actually looking at it. My old P2 laptop once survived a 3 foot drop onto fiberglass decking but I don't recommend it. |
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:34:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing
wrote: Kewl. What brand is it? ================================= I'm not sure the company is still making it but I believe they were called Wintergreen Systems or something like that. It's very similar to the Shuttle which Harry mentioned, only not as high. http://tinyurl.com/3uhxz |
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:19:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:34:57 GMT, Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: Kewl. What brand is it? ================================= I'm not sure the company is still making it but I believe they were called Wintergreen Systems or something like that. It's very similar to the Shuttle which Harry mentioned, only not as high. http://tinyurl.com/3uhxz Thanks for the link. Certainly cheap enough to try out. Take care. Tom "The beatings will stop when morale improves." E. Teach, 1717 |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ROTFLMAO!!!! Do those charts also have a "Here there be monsters" warning? :) Seriously! I'm very safety conscious, so last week, I stopped into Boat US to see if there was anything at all on the local Lake Ontario chart that would make it worth having in the boat, considering that I only venture about 10 miles either side of the Irondequoit Bay inlet. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Fortunately, it makes no mention of the Secret Smallmouth Location, nor does it give any indication of bottom structure which makes it interesting to the fish. |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:Zk1Zc.4397 I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? We do! Last I heard they were the only legal kind for the Canadian East Coast . Frankly, I like them. I have a nice framed one of the Block Island RI area. People think I'm nuts to have it, but it makes me smile because not far from Block Island, my dad ventured into a submarine testing area. The chart said to avoid ships flying whatever flags - those were target ships. I was 10 or 11 and I didn't want to be TOO pushy with the captain, but I'd just takent the Power Squadron class and as far as I could tell, we were right in the center of the testing area. He didn't think so. A sub surfaced about 300 yards away and informed my dad via radio that he should try looking at his chart, if any. Just like that. I loved the sarcasm, but as an ex-Navy man, he didn't find it funny. :-) |
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:05:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ======================================== You've got to stop navigating with those placemats from the restaurant. Hey....I got 'em 30 years ago. They're not current any more? |
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 14:08:34 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:05:13 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ======================================== You've got to stop navigating with those placemats from the restaurant. Hey....I got 'em 30 years ago. They're not current any more? Of course they are. Just remember that the gravy stain is not an island and you'll be fine. Later, Tom |
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:56:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ROTFLMAO!!!! Do those charts also have a "Here there be monsters" warning? :) Seriously! I'm very safety conscious, so last week, I stopped into Boat US to see if there was anything at all on the local Lake Ontario chart that would make it worth having in the boat, considering that I only venture about 10 miles either side of the Irondequoit Bay inlet. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Fortunately, it makes no mention of the Secret Smallmouth Location, nor does it give any indication of bottom structure which makes it interesting to the fish. So what do the Lakers and Salties use when crossing the lakes? I mean there has to be a chart of Ontario somewhere..... Then again.... As to secret smallmouth spot, I found one up the Seaway about two miles NE of Alexandria Bay. Unbeilevable fishing. Later, Tom S. Woodstock, CT ----------- "Angling may be said to be so like the mathematics that it can never be fully learnt..." Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653 |
"Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message
... On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:56:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: "Short Wave Sportfishing" wrote in message .. . I haven't used charts in years, since the Lake Ontario chart basically says "deep", "deeper" or "holy **** it's really deep". Doesn't anyone use paper charts any more? ROTFLMAO!!!! Do those charts also have a "Here there be monsters" warning? :) Seriously! I'm very safety conscious, so last week, I stopped into Boat US to see if there was anything at all on the local Lake Ontario chart that would make it worth having in the boat, considering that I only venture about 10 miles either side of the Irondequoit Bay inlet. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Fortunately, it makes no mention of the Secret Smallmouth Location, nor does it give any indication of bottom structure which makes it interesting to the fish. So what do the Lakers and Salties use when crossing the lakes? I mean there has to be a chart of Ontario somewhere..... If I were crossing the lake, I'd be equipped differently. I'd also have something bigger than my current 14' yacht. :-) |
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:56:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: I'm very safety conscious, so last week, I stopped into Boat US to see if there was anything at all on the local Lake Ontario chart that would make it worth having in the boat, considering that I only venture about 10 miles either side of the Irondequoit Bay inlet. ============================================ Do you have Charts 14803 and 14804 ? Good detail on Irondequoit Bay and the inlet among other things. http://library.uwsuper.edu/special/m...charts_ont.htm |
"Doug Kanter" wrote in Frankly, I like them. I have a nice framed one of the Block Island RI area. People think I'm nuts to have it, but it makes me smile because not far from Block Island, my dad ventured into a submarine testing area. The chart said to avoid ships flying whatever flags - those were target ships. I was 10 or 11 and I didn't want to be TOO pushy with the captain, but I'd just takent the Power Squadron class and as far as I could tell, we were right in the center of the testing area. He didn't think so. A sub surfaced about 300 yards away and informed my dad via radio that he should try looking at his chart, if any. Just like that. I loved the sarcasm, but as an ex-Navy man, he didn't find it funny. :-) That would be a blow to the ego of your captain. Our skipper (Mirage 33 sailboat) had 2 of the charts of our favourite sailing grounds mounted and hung in his house. I thought it looked great. |
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 11:03:41 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: Do you have Charts 14803 and 14804 ? Good detail on Irondequoit Bay and the inlet among other things. http://library.uwsuper.edu/special/m...charts_ont.htm ============================================== http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hoonos...bum?.dir=/256d |
"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:56:14 GMT, "Doug Kanter" wrote: I'm very safety conscious, so last week, I stopped into Boat US to see if there was anything at all on the local Lake Ontario chart that would make it worth having in the boat, considering that I only venture about 10 miles either side of the Irondequoit Bay inlet. ============================================ Do you have Charts 14803 and 14804 ? Good detail on Irondequoit Bay and the inlet among other things. http://library.uwsuper.edu/special/m...charts_ont.htm No. I've pretty much got the bay figured out based on hours of idling around, watching the depthfinder, and cleaning tons of weeds off my prop. :-) |
"Don White" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in Frankly, I like them. I have a nice framed one of the Block Island RI area. People think I'm nuts to have it, but it makes me smile because not far from Block Island, my dad ventured into a submarine testing area. The chart said to avoid ships flying whatever flags - those were target ships. I was 10 or 11 and I didn't want to be TOO pushy with the captain, but I'd just takent the Power Squadron class and as far as I could tell, we were right in the center of the testing area. He didn't think so. A sub surfaced about 300 yards away and informed my dad via radio that he should try looking at his chart, if any. Just like that. I loved the sarcasm, but as an ex-Navy man, he didn't find it funny. :-) That would be a blow to the ego of your captain. He *did*, however, allow me to do much more of the navigating after that, "because it would be good for you to learn". :-) |
On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:23:15 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
wrote: "Don White" wrote in message ... "Doug Kanter" wrote in Frankly, I like them. I have a nice framed one of the Block Island RI area. People think I'm nuts to have it, but it makes me smile because not far from Block Island, my dad ventured into a submarine testing area. The chart said to avoid ships flying whatever flags - those were target ships. I was 10 or 11 and I didn't want to be TOO pushy with the captain, but I'd just takent the Power Squadron class and as far as I could tell, we were right in the center of the testing area. He didn't think so. A sub surfaced about 300 yards away and informed my dad via radio that he should try looking at his chart, if any. Just like that. I loved the sarcasm, but as an ex-Navy man, he didn't find it funny. :-) That would be a blow to the ego of your captain. He *did*, however, allow me to do much more of the navigating after that, "because it would be good for you to learn". :-) Sounds like my Dad. Former USCG skipper no less. :) Take care. Tom "The beatings will stop when morale improves." E. Teach, 1717 |
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