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Don White November 30th 03 11:29 PM

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Anyone watch the item on 'canned hunting' tonight?
Can't believe that practice is allowed to continue... and Texas is the
worst offender.
I say...roundup those so called hunters, dress them in USArmy fatigues, ship
them to Iraq to be used as human bait.
They could draw out the terrorist ambushers where the real army could
dispose of them.



Doug Kanter November 30th 03 11:35 PM

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
Anyone watch the item on 'canned hunting' tonight?
Can't believe that practice is allowed to continue... and Texas is the
worst offender.
I say...roundup those so called hunters, dress them in USArmy fatigues,

ship
them to Iraq to be used as human bait.
They could draw out the terrorist ambushers where the real army could
dispose of them.



What's that? The deal where the animals are contained in a fenced in area
and the hunters "stalk" them?



Don White November 30th 03 11:58 PM

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That's it...in this case the fenced in area was small and the hunter pays
money so he can walk right up to some of the prey.
They also had some pretty exotic animals..such as tigers, lions etc wqhere
the great white hunters had a safe place in a bunker or platform and the
cats were let out of a cage to be gunned down before they could getaway.
One case had what looked like a mountain goat standing at a fence with an
arrow sticking out of it's back.
It seemed to sense what was coming and starred out through the links. The
'hunter walked up, fully clothed in camo, to within
20 feet or so and shot another arrow into the animal.
If these guys are that desperate to kill...send them to Iraq.



Harry Krause December 1st 03 12:38 AM

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Don White wrote:
That's it...in this case the fenced in area was small and the hunter pays
money so he can walk right up to some of the prey.
They also had some pretty exotic animals..such as tigers, lions etc wqhere
the great white hunters had a safe place in a bunker or platform and the
cats were let out of a cage to be gunned down before they could getaway.
One case had what looked like a mountain goat standing at a fence with an
arrow sticking out of it's back.
It seemed to sense what was coming and starred out through the links. The
'hunter walked up, fully clothed in camo, to within
20 feet or so and shot another arrow into the animal.
If these guys are that desperate to kill...send them to Iraq.


Even non-canned hunting doesn't seem especially sporting.

Couple of big guys go out in a field with a couple of dogs. The dogs go
ahead and scare little birds out of the brush. As the little birds try
to escape, the guys blast them with shotgun pellets.

Guys sit up in a tree, make deer deer, elk, moose calls. Moose moves in,
thinks he's going to get laid. Guys open up with high-powered rifles and
kill the critter.

Guys sit in a blind near a body of water. Fake ducks or geese are
floating in front of them. Guys make duck/goosing sounding noises. Birds
fly in, get blasted.

Yep. It surely is a manly "sport."





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Doug Kanter December 1st 03 01:17 AM

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"Don White" wrote in message
...
That's it...in this case the fenced in area was small and the hunter pays
money so he can walk right up to some of the prey.
They also had some pretty exotic animals..such as tigers, lions etc wqhere
the great white hunters had a safe place in a bunker or platform and the
cats were let out of a cage to be gunned down before they could getaway.
One case had what looked like a mountain goat standing at a fence with an
arrow sticking out of it's back.
It seemed to sense what was coming and starred out through the links. The
'hunter walked up, fully clothed in camo, to within
20 feet or so and shot another arrow into the animal.
If these guys are that desperate to kill...send them to Iraq.



That's total bull****. Those people should be hunted the same way.
Maybe...just MAYBE, I can see hunting deer that way, because you can eat
them, but tigers??? What the ****???



Don White December 1st 03 01:26 AM

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Some of the small 'game reserves' said they used the money raised ($2k for
lion) to help other amimals.
Some of the places had quite a 'meatchart' of prices.

Doug Kanter wrote in message
...


That's total bull****. Those people should be hunted the same way.
Maybe...just MAYBE, I can see hunting deer that way, because you can eat
them, but tigers??? What the ****???





Doug Kanter December 1st 03 01:26 AM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Even non-canned hunting doesn't seem especially sporting.

Couple of big guys go out in a field with a couple of dogs. The dogs go
ahead and scare little birds out of the brush. As the little birds try
to escape, the guys blast them with shotgun pellets.

Guys sit up in a tree, make deer deer, elk, moose calls. Moose moves in,
thinks he's going to get laid. Guys open up with high-powered rifles and
kill the critter.

Guys sit in a blind near a body of water. Fake ducks or geese are
floating in front of them. Guys make duck/goosing sounding noises. Birds
fly in, get blasted.

Yep. It surely is a manly "sport."


I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour south of
Rochester. I went "hunting" with him on that land a couple of years ago. He
brought no weapons of any kind. We spent the weekend stalking deer. He took
written notes which enabled him to identify the one he wanted. He did this
for 3 weeks afterward. Then, he brought his bow with him and got the deer
he'd chosen. A week later, he got a permit for another. I'm not sure how
that works, but I think it's got something to do with the fact that we're
overrun with deer. He took another month to choose and take the right one,
this time with a long gun.

This guy's not that unusual. I've met his neighbors down at the farmland.
They're the same way. They go out for 40 hours and come back with one deer,
just enough for their families.

There are slobs, and there are artists. It's not much different from people
who fish, and pigs who snag salmon with enormous treble hooks, all the while
keeping their eyes peeled for the DEC game warden.



Harry Krause December 1st 03 01:42 AM

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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


Even non-canned hunting doesn't seem especially sporting.

Couple of big guys go out in a field with a couple of dogs. The dogs go
ahead and scare little birds out of the brush. As the little birds try
to escape, the guys blast them with shotgun pellets.

Guys sit up in a tree, make deer deer, elk, moose calls. Moose moves in,
thinks he's going to get laid. Guys open up with high-powered rifles and
kill the critter.

Guys sit in a blind near a body of water. Fake ducks or geese are
floating in front of them. Guys make duck/goosing sounding noises. Birds
fly in, get blasted.

Yep. It surely is a manly "sport."


I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour south of
Rochester. I went "hunting" with him on that land a couple of years ago. He
brought no weapons of any kind. We spent the weekend stalking deer. He took
written notes which enabled him to identify the one he wanted. He did this
for 3 weeks afterward. Then, he brought his bow with him and got the deer
he'd chosen. A week later, he got a permit for another. I'm not sure how
that works, but I think it's got something to do with the fact that we're
overrun with deer. He took another month to choose and take the right one,
this time with a long gun.

This guy's not that unusual. I've met his neighbors down at the farmland.
They're the same way. They go out for 40 hours and come back with one deer,
just enough for their families.

There are slobs, and there are artists. It's not much different from people
who fish, and pigs who snag salmon with enormous treble hooks, all the while
keeping their eyes peeled for the DEC game warden.



Well, I see no need to get into a discussion of fishing versus hunting,
but I will point out a few differences. I just don't see hunting as
"sporting."

1. Fishing from a boat in salt water (and some bodies of fresh water) is
inherently dangerous for several reasons, including incurring the wrath
of mother nature in terms of the weather, falling overboard and
drowning, et cetera, or incurring the wrath of the fish in terms of
being bit. I have incurred these wraths, so to speak.

2. Catch and release fishing is becoming more popular, and as fishermen
get more used to this, more of the fish survive. Very few critters who
are blasted by guns can be released.

3. While sport fishermen attempt to attract their prey with bait, if
they do, they still have to hook and reel in the fish. If you get a deer
within your sights, and you're within range, the deer is dead.


Mind you, I have no problem with someone who goes out to shoot an animal
to put food on the table. But I feel better about it when the animal has
at least a sporting chance, eh?

Hey, when I go out to kill skeet, at least I miss a few. Sometimes.



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Lloyd Sumpter December 1st 03 01:46 AM

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:38:03 +0000, Harry Krause wrote:

Don White wrote:
That's it...in this case the fenced in area was small and the hunter pays
money so he can walk right up to some of the prey. They also had some pretty
exotic animals..such as tigers, lions etc wqhere the great white hunters had a
safe place in a bunker or platform and the cats were let out of a cage to be
gunned down before they could getaway. One case had what looked like a
mountain goat standing at a fence with an arrow sticking out of it's back.
It seemed to sense what was coming and starred out through the links. The
'hunter walked up, fully clothed in camo, to within 20 feet or so and shot
another arrow into the animal. If these guys are that desperate to kill...send
them to Iraq.


Even non-canned hunting doesn't seem especially sporting.

Couple of big guys go out in a field with a couple of dogs. The dogs go ahead
and scare little birds out of the brush. As the little birds try to escape, the
guys blast them with shotgun pellets.

Guys sit up in a tree, make deer deer, elk, moose calls. Moose moves in, thinks
he's going to get laid. Guys open up with high-powered rifles and kill the
critter.

Guys sit in a blind near a body of water. Fake ducks or geese are floating in
front of them. Guys make duck/goosing sounding noises. Birds fly in, get
blasted.

Yep. It surely is a manly "sport."


"A hunter crouches in his blind,
'Neath camouflage of every kind.
And conjures up a quacking noise
To lend allure to his decoys.
This grown-up man, with pluck and luck
Is hoping to outwit a duck."
- Ogden Nash

Lloyd - Occasionally Literary


erich December 1st 03 07:39 AM

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But they get a photo of themselves with their foot on a big dead
animal while holding a high caliber rifle. Might not be so easy in
Iraq.
However, all they gotta' do is go down to the local meat-packing
plant....
Maybe the head of an Angus calf wouldn't be quite the same, but I
doubt their buds would know it wasn't from the charge of a rabid,
"Lesser Angus" water buffalo.
Takes a lot of balls to stand in front of a charge like that.


"Don White" wrote in message ...
That's it...in this case the fenced in area was small and the hunter pays
money so he can walk right up to some of the prey.
They also had some pretty exotic animals..such as tigers, lions etc wqhere
the great white hunters had a safe place in a bunker or platform and the
cats were let out of a cage to be gunned down before they could getaway.
One case had what looked like a mountain goat standing at a fence with an
arrow sticking out of it's back.
It seemed to sense what was coming and starred out through the links. The
'hunter walked up, fully clothed in camo, to within
20 feet or so and shot another arrow into the animal.
If these guys are that desperate to kill...send them to Iraq.


basskisser December 1st 03 01:50 PM

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message news:0Nwyb.2817
I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour south of
Rochester.


Avoca, Bath area?


This guy's not that unusual. I've met his neighbors down at the farmland.
They're the same way. They go out for 40 hours and come back with one deer,
just enough for their families.


That is true enough. When I lived there, I had no problem with people
who lived in the area taking a deer to feed there families. But, I
really didn't care for all of the people that came to the area from
Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse who came and just blasted everything in
sight. Ever look at Rochester's landfills after deer season? They are
full of deer carcasses, rotting, after they took the deer home to
parade it up and down the streets.

Doug Kanter December 1st 03 03:02 PM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

news:0Nwyb.2817
I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour

south of
Rochester.


Avoca, Bath area?


East Bloomfield, around routes 5 & 20.


This guy's not that unusual. I've met his neighbors down at the

farmland.
They're the same way. They go out for 40 hours and come back with one

deer,
just enough for their families.


That is true enough. When I lived there, I had no problem with people
who lived in the area taking a deer to feed there families. But, I
really didn't care for all of the people that came to the area from
Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse who came and just blasted everything in
sight. Ever look at Rochester's landfills after deer season? They are
full of deer carcasses, rotting, after they took the deer home to
parade it up and down the streets.


The Brooklyn hunters who infect the Catskills are quite a crew, too. All
amateurs. When I was in college, my roommate and I were sitting in the
Roscoe Diner when a NYS trooper walked in and sat down a few stools away. We
were hoping that the neon "We Are Stoned" signs on our foreheads weren't
noticeable. There were a bunch of hunters in the parking lot admiring each
others' new guns, new orange vests, etc. Suddenly....BLAM! One of the idiots
shot out the windshield of the trooper's car. Poor cop shook his head, says
to the waitress "Oh no....they're back", and goes outside & starts
collecting guns and taking names.

Around here, at least 2-3 hunters are killed each year, either with their
own guns, falling out of tree stands, or due to the stupidity of their
hunting partners. My former landlord was shot in the leg with an arror by
another hunter. He was in a tree stand on totally flat land, wearing blaze
orange. I guess he looked like one of them thar tree deer. :-)



Doug Kanter December 1st 03 03:09 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour

south of
Rochester. I went "hunting" with him on that land a couple of years ago.

He
brought no weapons of any kind. We spent the weekend stalking deer. He

took
written notes which enabled him to identify the one he wanted. He did

this
for 3 weeks afterward. Then, he brought his bow with him and got the

deer
he'd chosen. A week later, he got a permit for another. I'm not sure how
that works, but I think it's got something to do with the fact that

we're
overrun with deer. He took another month to choose and take the right

one,
this time with a long gun.

This guy's not that unusual. I've met his neighbors down at the

farmland.
They're the same way. They go out for 40 hours and come back with one

deer,
just enough for their families.

There are slobs, and there are artists. It's not much different from

people
who fish, and pigs who snag salmon with enormous treble hooks, all the

while
keeping their eyes peeled for the DEC game warden.



Well, I see no need to get into a discussion of fishing versus hunting,
but I will point out a few differences. I just don't see hunting as
"sporting."

1. Fishing from a boat in salt water (and some bodies of fresh water) is
inherently dangerous for several reasons, including incurring the wrath
of mother nature in terms of the weather, falling overboard and
drowning, et cetera, or incurring the wrath of the fish in terms of
being bit. I have incurred these wraths, so to speak.


Hunters have to deal with weather that can only be called "utterly stupid",
risking frostbite and hypothermia. Deer season here corresponds with weather
that's cold and wet, which is inherently more dangerous than three feet of
snow in January.


2. Catch and release fishing is becoming more popular, and as fishermen
get more used to this, more of the fish survive. Very few critters who
are blasted by guns can be released.


OK, but there are shortages of certain fish, which is WHY we release them.
In many areas, the deer populations are way beyond what the place is able to
support. Hunting them doesn't threaten the entire species in a given area.

Harry, here's a response that's not allowed: "Well, the deer you shoot are
certainly threatened". :-) Thought I'd save your fingers a little work.


3. While sport fishermen attempt to attract their prey with bait, if
they do, they still have to hook and reel in the fish. If you get a deer
within your sights, and you're within range, the deer is dead.


That's a big "IF", Harry. I know hunters who have been coming back
emptyhanded for years. Most of them couldn't sneak up on a garbage can.


Mind you, I have no problem with someone who goes out to shoot an animal
to put food on the table. But I feel better about it when the animal has
at least a sporting chance, eh?


Sporting chance? You have to wear bright orange clothing, or risk your life.
The deer can smell you coming a mile away, and may even be spooked by scent
of your 1/2 hour old footprints. And, they're blazingly fast on their feet.
And, good hunters won't even take a shot if they think it may result in a
wounded deer that'll get away.

I'm not a hunter, and I have plenty of skepticism about some of the clowns I
know who tote rifles around the woods. But, there are some decent hunters.



Greg December 1st 03 04:32 PM

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If you are not eating tofu and wearing plastic shoes you don't have standing in
this fight. Is it wrong to kill the billions of chickens and cows we eat too?
Is the person who hires a hit man morally superior to the hit man?
I am not a hunter but I do understand the need to control the population of
some species, particularly eastern white tail deer, the most deadfly animal in
North America. (kill about 200 people a year in the US) and cause millions of
dollars in crop damage.

DSK December 1st 03 04:48 PM

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Greg wrote:

.... eastern white tail deer, the most deadfly animal in
North America. (kill about 200 people a year in the US) and cause millions of
dollars in crop damage.


heh heh trees kill more people than that. We need to take extreme measures against
this deadly species!

DSK



Clams Canino December 1st 03 05:09 PM

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In *both* fishing and hunting the objective is to convince your prey that
it's gonna get a free meal or get laid. Then when it falls for the routine,
you get a *chance* to put it in the car or the boat.

I'm not sure how "sporting" any of it all is - but it's far from a certain
meal either. It's not easy to outsmart a deer, most birds, or some types of
fish.

None of this has anything to do with the canned hunting of exotic animals
for trophies - which I think is sickening.

-W



"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...


I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some

REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour

south of
Rochester. I went "hunting" with him on that land a couple of years

ago.
He
brought no weapons of any kind. We spent the weekend stalking deer. He

took
written notes which enabled him to identify the one he wanted. He did

this
for 3 weeks afterward. Then, he brought his bow with him and got the

deer
he'd chosen. A week later, he got a permit for another. I'm not sure

how
that works, but I think it's got something to do with the fact that

we're
overrun with deer. He took another month to choose and take the right

one,
this time with a long gun.

This guy's not that unusual. I've met his neighbors down at the

farmland.
They're the same way. They go out for 40 hours and come back with one

deer,
just enough for their families.

There are slobs, and there are artists. It's not much different from

people
who fish, and pigs who snag salmon with enormous treble hooks, all the

while
keeping their eyes peeled for the DEC game warden.



Well, I see no need to get into a discussion of fishing versus hunting,
but I will point out a few differences. I just don't see hunting as
"sporting."

1. Fishing from a boat in salt water (and some bodies of fresh water) is
inherently dangerous for several reasons, including incurring the wrath
of mother nature in terms of the weather, falling overboard and
drowning, et cetera, or incurring the wrath of the fish in terms of
being bit. I have incurred these wraths, so to speak.


Hunters have to deal with weather that can only be called "utterly

stupid",
risking frostbite and hypothermia. Deer season here corresponds with

weather
that's cold and wet, which is inherently more dangerous than three feet of
snow in January.


2. Catch and release fishing is becoming more popular, and as fishermen
get more used to this, more of the fish survive. Very few critters who
are blasted by guns can be released.


OK, but there are shortages of certain fish, which is WHY we release them.
In many areas, the deer populations are way beyond what the place is able

to
support. Hunting them doesn't threaten the entire species in a given area.

Harry, here's a response that's not allowed: "Well, the deer you shoot are
certainly threatened". :-) Thought I'd save your fingers a little work.


3. While sport fishermen attempt to attract their prey with bait, if
they do, they still have to hook and reel in the fish. If you get a deer
within your sights, and you're within range, the deer is dead.


That's a big "IF", Harry. I know hunters who have been coming back
emptyhanded for years. Most of them couldn't sneak up on a garbage can.


Mind you, I have no problem with someone who goes out to shoot an animal
to put food on the table. But I feel better about it when the animal has
at least a sporting chance, eh?


Sporting chance? You have to wear bright orange clothing, or risk your

life.
The deer can smell you coming a mile away, and may even be spooked by

scent
of your 1/2 hour old footprints. And, they're blazingly fast on their

feet.
And, good hunters won't even take a shot if they think it may result in a
wounded deer that'll get away.

I'm not a hunter, and I have plenty of skepticism about some of the clowns

I
know who tote rifles around the woods. But, there are some decent hunters.





Greg December 1st 03 06:12 PM

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heh heh trees kill more people than that. We need to take extreme measures
against
this deadly species!


We mow'm down by the billions.

I was looking over this thread again and I saw the fishing analogy. I know
people may catch the target fish and release but all the bait dies.
If you are really a PETA person the bait is the real victim of extreme cruelty.

DSK December 1st 03 06:24 PM

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heh heh trees kill more people than that. We need to take extreme measures
against
this deadly species!



Greg wrote:
We mow'm down by the billions.


I know, but it's not enough. Trees are winning, I think they are secretly
cooperating with terrorist networks. People crash their cars into trees, trees fall
on houses during storms, people hurt htmesleves chainsawing trees, the list goes on
and on.

When will the Homeland Security Dept take measures to protect us from this deadly
threat?




I was looking over this thread again and I saw the fishing analogy. I know
people may catch the target fish and release but all the bait dies.
If you are really a PETA person the bait is the real victim of extreme cruelty.


Yes, that is true. Reminds me of an old joke that ends, "Doctor, phooey, I'm a
rabbi" but more seriously I want to take up the issue of cruelty to plants. Think
how many are held in captivity across America.....

DSK



Doug Kanter December 1st 03 06:29 PM

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"Greg" wrote in message
...
heh heh trees kill more people than that. We need to take extreme

measures
against
this deadly species!


We mow'm down by the billions.

I was looking over this thread again and I saw the fishing analogy. I know
people may catch the target fish and release but all the bait dies.
If you are really a PETA person the bait is the real victim of extreme

cruelty.

Actually, that's my 14 yr old son's logic. But, he has a spectrum along
which various kinds of bait exist, in terms of what he's willing to use.
Live minnows - No. Worms - Yes. Likes to eat fish, but refuses to keep
anything he catches.



Greg December 1st 03 07:05 PM

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Yes. Likes to eat fish, but refuses to keep
anything he catches.


Another person who doesn't want to kill but doesn't hesitate to hire a hit man.

Doug Kanter December 1st 03 07:11 PM

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"Greg" wrote in message
...
Yes. Likes to eat fish, but refuses to keep
anything he catches.


Another person who doesn't want to kill but doesn't hesitate to hire a hit

man.

I kept reminding him about that every time he wanted to go to Wendy's for
lunch. He pointed out that I was nagging him, and he was right. I'd rather
he come fishing with me and put all the fish back. I get to keep enough when
I fish alone.



Doug Kanter December 1st 03 07:39 PM

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"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:1BKyb.268713$mZ5.1957235@attbi_s54...

In *both* fishing and hunting the objective is to convince your prey that
it's gonna get a free meal or get laid. Then when it falls for the

routine,
you get a *chance* to put it in the car or the boat.

I'm not sure how "sporting" any of it all is - but it's far from a certain
meal either. It's not easy to outsmart a deer, most birds, or some types

of
fish.

None of this has anything to do with the canned hunting of exotic animals
for trophies - which I think is sickening.

-W


Browse messages at rec.hunting for a week or two and you'll get a real taste
of what SOME hunters are like. There seems to be a subculture of guys who
pack up the whole dang family and a bunch of .22 rifles, and find a place to
shoot prairie dogs for a couple of days. Maybe prairie dogs are a pest to
somebody, but still, these people are from another friggin' planet.



Harry Krause December 2nd 03 02:13 AM

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Doug Kanter wrote:

"Clams Canino" wrote in message
news:1BKyb.268713$mZ5.1957235@attbi_s54...

In *both* fishing and hunting the objective is to convince your prey that
it's gonna get a free meal or get laid. Then when it falls for the

routine,
you get a *chance* to put it in the car or the boat.

I'm not sure how "sporting" any of it all is - but it's far from a certain
meal either. It's not easy to outsmart a deer, most birds, or some types

of
fish.

None of this has anything to do with the canned hunting of exotic animals
for trophies - which I think is sickening.

-W


Browse messages at rec.hunting for a week or two and you'll get a real taste
of what SOME hunters are like. There seems to be a subculture of guys who
pack up the whole dang family and a bunch of .22 rifles, and find a place to
shoot prairie dogs for a couple of days. Maybe prairie dogs are a pest to
somebody, but still, these people are from another friggin' planet.



Republicans, no doubt.

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basskisser December 2nd 03 12:34 PM

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(Greg) wrote in message ...
If you are not eating tofu and wearing plastic shoes you don't have standing in
this fight. Is it wrong to kill the billions of chickens and cows we eat too?
Is the person who hires a hit man morally superior to the hit man?
I am not a hunter but I do understand the need to control the population of
some species, particularly eastern white tail deer, the most deadfly animal in
North America. (kill about 200 people a year in the US) and cause millions of
dollars in crop damage.


There is quite a difference in eating chickens, born, raised, killed
and processed in factories than in killing and annihilating a wild
species of animal or fish. I fish, and sometimes take one or two home
to eat. I don't hunt. Seems different to me, can't explain why, but I
don't feel as bad killing a fish as I do a deer. The deadliest animal
in North America is certainly not the whitetail deer, it's the urban
human. Far more people are killed by other people than any and all
other animals yearly. Most by firearms. Most by firearms that belonged
to someone else and was either borrowed, or stolen. So much for not
wanting gun control, huh?

basskisser December 2nd 03 12:42 PM

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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

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I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour

south of
Rochester.


Avoca, Bath area?


East Bloomfield, around routes 5 & 20.


Ah, I know the area, somewhat. I used to live in Avoca, if you know
where that is. I lived on Neil's Creek, a nice trout stream. Was funny
to watch on April 1st as the city boys invaded in there brand new
Orvis gear, thousand dollar fly rods, etc. I knew every fish holding
hole in the creek, and would come out, poor farm boy, with my Mitchell
300 that was older than I was, and start pulling fish! They'd even try
to BUY fish from me!

The Brooklyn hunters who infect the Catskills are quite a crew, too. All
amateurs. When I was in college, my roommate and I were sitting in the
Roscoe Diner when a NYS trooper walked in and sat down a few stools away. We
were hoping that the neon "We Are Stoned" signs on our foreheads weren't
noticeable. There were a bunch of hunters in the parking lot admiring each
others' new guns, new orange vests, etc. Suddenly....BLAM! One of the idiots
shot out the windshield of the trooper's car. Poor cop shook his head, says
to the waitress "Oh no....they're back", and goes outside & starts
collecting guns and taking names.

Around here, at least 2-3 hunters are killed each year, either with their
own guns, falling out of tree stands, or due to the stupidity of their
hunting partners. My former landlord was shot in the leg with an arror by
another hunter. He was in a tree stand on totally flat land, wearing blaze
orange. I guess he looked like one of them thar tree deer. :-)


We used to hate it when they invaded our local bar, we were just
country boys, and for various reasons, some legal, we wanted to be
left alone. They drew cops around us, and generally raised hell, which
was OUR vocation!

Greg December 2nd 03 05:49 PM

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First of all, only a really sick individual would have *anything* to
do with canned hunting..


Isn't the Purdue chicken farm the ultimate "canned hunt"?


Doug Kanter December 2nd 03 06:22 PM

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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

...
"basskisser" wrote in message
m...
"Doug Kanter" wrote in message

news:0Nwyb.2817
I disagree, but based only on being very familiar with the way some

REAL
hunters hunt. My former neighbor's dad has about 1000 acres an hour

south of
Rochester.

Avoca, Bath area?


East Bloomfield, around routes 5 & 20.


Ah, I know the area, somewhat. I used to live in Avoca, if you know
where that is.


Yeah. Travelling between Rochester & Corning, I've always intended to stop
and spend some time fishing the Cohocton. But, I never seem to have time.
I'm addicted to the Chemung. :-)


I lived on Neil's Creek, a nice trout stream. Was funny
to watch on April 1st as the city boys invaded in there brand new
Orvis gear, thousand dollar fly rods, etc. I knew every fish holding
hole in the creek, and would come out, poor farm boy, with my Mitchell
300 that was older than I was, and start pulling fish! They'd even try
to BUY fish from me!


We see them here, too, mostly on Oatka Creek near Scottsville. They all
Trout Unlimited members, and they like to give speeches about how flies hurt
trout less than a Mepps with a treble hook. Never mind that the fish never
swallow my lures because I change the hooks to larger ones just for trout,
and that I can unhook a fish and put it back in under 10 seconds, while
they're doing surgery for 5 minutes with their Orvis wonder tool. :-)


The Brooklyn hunters who infect the Catskills are quite a crew, too. All
amateurs. When I was in college, my roommate and I were sitting in the
Roscoe Diner when a NYS trooper walked in and sat down a few stools

away. We
were hoping that the neon "We Are Stoned" signs on our foreheads weren't
noticeable. There were a bunch of hunters in the parking lot admiring

each
others' new guns, new orange vests, etc. Suddenly....BLAM! One of the

idiots
shot out the windshield of the trooper's car. Poor cop shook his head,

says
to the waitress "Oh no....they're back", and goes outside & starts
collecting guns and taking names.

Around here, at least 2-3 hunters are killed each year, either with

their
own guns, falling out of tree stands, or due to the stupidity of their
hunting partners. My former landlord was shot in the leg with an arror

by
another hunter. He was in a tree stand on totally flat land, wearing

blaze
orange. I guess he looked like one of them thar tree deer. :-)


We used to hate it when they invaded our local bar, we were just
country boys, and for various reasons, some legal, we wanted to be
left alone. They drew cops around us, and generally raised hell, which
was OUR vocation!


I always sorta wonder about some of those local joints out in the farmlands.
:-)



Clams Canino December 2nd 03 06:41 PM

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No.

It's a farm - a business where chickens are systemicly hatched , raised,
grown, and slaughtered for our meat. No one takes any sick pleasure in
chasing, shooting or scaring them. (at least I hope there isn't a serial
killer wannabe in the slaughter dept.!)

-W


"Greg" wrote in message
...

Isn't the Purdue chicken farm the ultimate "canned hunt"?




Greg December 2nd 03 10:18 PM

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No.

It's a farm - a business where chickens are systemicly hatched , raised,
grown, and slaughtered for our meat. No one takes any sick pleasure in
chasing, shooting or scaring them. (at least I hope there isn't a serial
killer wannabe in the slaughter dept.!)


You know I bet the chicken doesn't really care how much pleasure the killer
has.

BTW that is EXACTLY where I want the mass murderers working. It is a lot better
than having them at the Post Office.

Clams Canino December 2nd 03 10:26 PM

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snicker

-W

"Greg" wrote in message
...


BTW that is EXACTLY where I want the mass murderers working. It is a lot

better
than having them at the Post Office.





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