We paddled from Fort Benton MT to Fort Kipp in the 3rd week of August. (2
people, 1 canoe)

I discovered that yes, there IS poison ivy in MT.
(but met a druggist on day 6 who gave me enough prednisone to dry it up!)

The water levels were fine - though we did go aground twice because we
weren't watching carefully. no problem getting back into the current,
besides wounded pride.

Nitrates in the water make it not completely safe even if you filter it, so
we carried 20 gallons. At Coal's Landing there was a BLM campsite, free,
with out houses and potable water. The nitrates also put a white stain on
skin and fabric, and it doesn't wash out of fabric.

By law we had to rent a chemical toilet, because our pollution is so much
worse than the millions of cows peeing and pooping in the river.

We encountered very few mosquitos, but for several days there were biting
flies, easily controllable with deet.

On the last 2 days, we encountered gnats - that got worse as we finished the
trip. By Fort Kipp, they were buzzing our heads so thickly that we had to
wear bandanas around our faces to prevent inhaling them. A wonderful BLM
camp person/host/ranger - told us that Avon's Naturals vanilla body mist is
a very effective repellant, and right before I mentioned that my avon lady
wasn't exactly accessible, she lent us a bottle of us, saving our marriage
and vacation. GNATS? - VANILLA!

On days 2 and 3 we chatted with and eventually camped with a group of 4
local couples who fed us 3 meals! They pitied us our freeze dried supplies
when they were feasting on antelope steaks, blueberry pancakes, and chili
verdi. Oh, poor us!

In Fort Benton there's a lovely original Hotel building right on the river
that I think would be a great place to start the trip next time - it's been
restored and looks really nice, though I didn't check it out any closer than
a drive by.




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"Musicmaker" ) writes:
We paddled from Fort Benton MT to Fort Kipp in the 3rd week of August. (2
people, 1 canoe)

this year's boat design contest at www.duckworksmagazine.com is for a boat for
a couple to cruise from Ft Benton to New Orelans in 90 days. Cost of trip
including boat not to exceed $5,000 US. contest entry must be in by last
day of 2004.

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I'm a non-paddler and new to this group - that sounds like an incredible
trip! About 325 miles? How many days? Does the river do most of the work?
I'd love to hear more details and figure out if I could ever do a trip like
that.

My wife is fairly athletic but doesn't like extreme challenges or constant
exertion. She's a really good sport as long as I don't push her too hard.
I'd give my eye tooth (don't know why you'd want it) to go on a three or
four day easy canoe trip that would be more of a float than a paddle.

Thanks for the inspiration!



"Musicmaker" wrote in message
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We paddled from Fort Benton MT to Fort Kipp in the 3rd week of August. (2
people, 1 canoe)

I discovered that yes, there IS poison ivy in MT.
(but met a druggist on day 6 who gave me enough prednisone to dry it up!)

The water levels were fine - though we did go aground twice because we
weren't watching carefully. no problem getting back into the current,
besides wounded pride.

Nitrates in the water make it not completely safe even if you filter it,
so
we carried 20 gallons. At Coal's Landing there was a BLM campsite, free,
with out houses and potable water. The nitrates also put a white stain on
skin and fabric, and it doesn't wash out of fabric.

By law we had to rent a chemical toilet, because our pollution is so much
worse than the millions of cows peeing and pooping in the river.

We encountered very few mosquitos, but for several days there were biting
flies, easily controllable with deet.

On the last 2 days, we encountered gnats - that got worse as we finished
the
trip. By Fort Kipp, they were buzzing our heads so thickly that we had to
wear bandanas around our faces to prevent inhaling them. A wonderful BLM
camp person/host/ranger - told us that Avon's Naturals vanilla body mist
is
a very effective repellant, and right before I mentioned that my avon lady
wasn't exactly accessible, she lent us a bottle of us, saving our marriage
and vacation. GNATS? - VANILLA!

On days 2 and 3 we chatted with and eventually camped with a group of 4
local couples who fed us 3 meals! They pitied us our freeze dried
supplies
when they were feasting on antelope steaks, blueberry pancakes, and chili
verdi. Oh, poor us!

In Fort Benton there's a lovely original Hotel building right on the river
that I think would be a great place to start the trip next time - it's
been
restored and looks really nice, though I didn't check it out any closer
than
a drive by.




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Less than half that ditance! We averaged 25 miles a day and though the
first day was tiring because we weren't used to paddling, the rest was easy.
Took us 8 days.

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I'm a non-paddler and new to this group - that sounds like an incredible
trip! About 325 miles? How many days? Does the river do most of the work?
I'd love to hear more details and figure out if I could ever do a trip
like
that.

My wife is fairly athletic but doesn't like extreme challenges or constant
exertion. She's a really good sport as long as I don't push her too hard.
I'd give my eye tooth (don't know why you'd want it) to go on a three or
four day easy canoe trip that would be more of a float than a paddle.

Thanks for the inspiration!



"Musicmaker" wrote in message
...
We paddled from Fort Benton MT to Fort Kipp in the 3rd week of August.
(2
people, 1 canoe)

I discovered that yes, there IS poison ivy in MT.
(but met a druggist on day 6 who gave me enough prednisone to dry it up!)

The water levels were fine - though we did go aground twice because we
weren't watching carefully. no problem getting back into the current,
besides wounded pride.

Nitrates in the water make it not completely safe even if you filter it,
so
we carried 20 gallons. At Coal's Landing there was a BLM campsite, free,
with out houses and potable water. The nitrates also put a white stain
on
skin and fabric, and it doesn't wash out of fabric.

By law we had to rent a chemical toilet, because our pollution is so much
worse than the millions of cows peeing and pooping in the river.

We encountered very few mosquitos, but for several days there were biting
flies, easily controllable with deet.

On the last 2 days, we encountered gnats - that got worse as we finished
the
trip. By Fort Kipp, they were buzzing our heads so thickly that we had
to
wear bandanas around our faces to prevent inhaling them. A wonderful BLM
camp person/host/ranger - told us that Avon's Naturals vanilla body mist
is
a very effective repellant, and right before I mentioned that my avon
lady
wasn't exactly accessible, she lent us a bottle of us, saving our
marriage
and vacation. GNATS? - VANILLA!

On days 2 and 3 we chatted with and eventually camped with a group of 4
local couples who fed us 3 meals! They pitied us our freeze dried
supplies
when they were feasting on antelope steaks, blueberry pancakes, and chili
verdi. Oh, poor us!

In Fort Benton there's a lovely original Hotel building right on the
river
that I think would be a great place to start the trip next time - it's
been
restored and looks really nice, though I didn't check it out any closer
than
a drive by.




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Thanks for the report.
We did almost the same trip in 2001. (we started at Coal Banks and
exited at James kipp) At that time, toilets were not required--- just
a shovel to dig a hole. Below are some pictures.

BTW, we also had MAJOR problems with gnats the last 2 days. They were
miserable!.

Cheers,
Bob

http://community.webshots.com/album/112515678UbGOow

Robert Warren ) writes:

BTW, we also had MAJOR problems with gnats the last 2 days. They were
miserable!.

this may be an unkind to wildlife sort of thing to type, but considering
how miserable gnats can make people feel, it's satisfying to read that they
were miserable too.


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