Kerry and the liberal media think they have gotten a "Swift Boat Vet"
Taken From Sources
Aug 19,2004

Kerry and the liberal media think they have gotten a "Swift Boat
Vet"

The campaign of John F Kerry continues to spoon feed the media in the
USA tidbits of untruth and directions to carry out attacks covertly
against not only GW Bush but private citizen's that are brave enough
to vocally support him.

Here is a perfect example. MSNBC, AP and other media outlets ran with
this top story Thursday, Aug 19, 2004.

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"Military records counter a Kerry critic"

MSNBC

WASHINGTON - Newly obtained military records of one of Sen. John F.
Kerry's most vocal critics, who has accused the Democratic
presidential candidate of lying about his wartime record to win
medals, contradict his own version of events.

Larry Thurlow, who commanded a Navy Swift boat alongside Kerry in
Vietnam , has strongly disputed Kerry's claim that the Massachusetts
Democrat's boat came under fire during a mission in Viet
Cong-controlled territory on March 13, 1969. Kerry won a Bronze Star
for his actions that day.

But Thurlow's military records, portions of which were released
yesterday to The Washington Post under the Freedom of Information Act,
contain several references to "enemy small arms and automatic weapons
fire" directed at "all units" of the five-boat flotilla.

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From first glance one might say, "Ohh, these guys may not be telling
the truth". But only if you take this article for its word. Why didn't
the reporter writing the story put out a copy of this service record
or at least the details pertaining to the incident? Let's see John F
Kerry's records.

Because it shows that the source of the contradictory statement is no
other than John F Kerry himself.

Read the official statement by Larry Thurlow about his military
records.

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For Immediate Release August 19, 2004

Statement By Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Member Larry Thurlow

I am convinced that the language used in my citation for a Bronze Star
was language taken directly from John Kerry's report which falsely
described the action on the Bay Hap River as action that saw small
arms fire and automatic weapons fire from both banks of the river.

To this day, I can say without a doubt in my mind, along with other
accounts from my shipmates-there was no hostile enemy fire directed at
my boat or at any of the five boats operating on the river that day.

I submitted no paperwork for a medal nor did I file an after action
report describing the incident. To my knowledge, John Kerry was the
only officer who filed a report describing his version of the
incidents that occurred on the river that day.

It was not until I had left the Navy-approximately three months after
I left the service-that I was notified that I was to receive a
citation for my actions on that day.

I believed then as I believe now that I received my Bronze Star for my
efforts to rescue the injured crewmen from swift boat number three and
to conduct damage control to prevent that boat from sinking. My boat
and several other swift boats went to the aid of our fellow swift boat
sailors whose craft was adrift and taking on water. We provided
immediate rescue and damage control to prevent boat three from sinking
and to offer immediate protection and comfort to the injured crew.

After the mine exploded, leaving swift boat three dead in the water,
John Kerry's boat, which was on the opposite side of the river, fled
the scene. US Army Special Forces officer Jim Rassmann, who was on
Kerry's boat at the time, fell off the boat and into the water.
Kerry's boat returned several minutes later-under no hail of enemy
gunfire-to retrieve Rassmann from the river only seconds before
another boat was going to pick him up.

Kerry campaign spokespersons have conflicting accounts of this
incident-the latest one being that Kerry's boat did leave but only
briefly and returned under withering enemy fire to rescue Mr.
Rassmann. However, none of the other boats on the river that day
reported enemy fire nor was anyone wounded by small arms action. The
only damage on that day was done to boat three-a result of the
underwater mine. None of the other swift boats received damage from
enemy gunfire.

And in a new development, Kerry campaign officials are now finally
acknowledging that while Kerry's boat left the scene, none of the
other boats on the river ever left the damaged swift boat. This is a
direct contradiction to previous accounts made by Jim Rassmann in the
Oregonian newspaper and a direct contradiction to the "No Man Left
Behind" theme during the Democratic National Convention.

These ever changing accounts of the Bay Hap River incident by Kerry
campaign officials leave me asking one question. If no one ever left
the scene of the Bay Hap River incident, how could anyone be left
behind?

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Well does that raise a lot of issues!

The source is John F Kerry and that is the least of John F Kerry's
worries.



Notes: http://www.swiftvets.com/

Why didn't
the reporter writing the story put out a copy of this service record
or at least the details pertaining to the incident? Let's see John F
Kerry's records.

Yawn. You guys expect Hannity and Limbaugh to what, read these over the air? It
takes two minutes to find these records, less time than it takes to repeat the
hate-radio lies that Kerry won't release them:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_...y_records.html

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Why didn't
the reporter writing the story put out a copy of this service record
or at least the details pertaining to the incident? Let's see John F
Kerry's records.

Yawn. You guys expect Hannity and Limbaugh to what, read these over the
air? It
takes two minutes to find these records, less time than it takes to repeat
the
hate-radio lies that Kerry won't release them:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_...y_records.html

Chuck you are being partisan and very dishonest. If Kerry would allow the
Navy to provide those who ask a copy of his entire service records then all
of the questions would be answered. However, Kerry will not authorize the
release of his service records by the Navy. Why would Kerry refuse to allow
his entire military service records to be made public? He must be hiding
something.

Again, all of this will be fully and completely cleared up the with release
of all of Kerrys military service records.

Bert Robbins wrote:



Again, all of this will be fully and completely cleared up the with release
of all of Kerrys military service records.

Yours would be more interesting. Were you 4F or Section 8?


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Save America - Defeat Bush!

There is another set of records containing the narratives used to make the
decisions as to whether or not to award a medal. These can be released by Mr
Kerry simply signing a DD260 release form which he declines to do.
It seems to me that these would go a long ways toward clearing things up
and would vindicate him (or hang him?).
For what its worth (not much in a boating group!)
Gordon

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
Why didn't
the reporter writing the story put out a copy of this service record
or at least the details pertaining to the incident? Let's see John F
Kerry's records.

Yawn. You guys expect Hannity and Limbaugh to what, read these over the
air? It
takes two minutes to find these records, less time than it takes to repeat
the
hate-radio lies that Kerry won't release them:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_...y_records.html

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:53:45 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Bert Robbins wrote:



Again, all of this will be fully and completely cleared up the with
release
of all of Kerrys military service records.

Yours would be more interesting. Were you 4F or Section 8?

What were you, Harry?

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

He had hinted in this NG about putting on his *uniform* during a Vets Day.
It turned out that he was only kidding (bad joke) and said the uniform was
his Good Humor Man uniform. Pretty pathetic.

I never served. My number was never called during the lottery. But I thank
all the Vets who did serve, including Kerry, and will never make light over
the honor of being able to wear the uniform and serve the Country.

"JohnH" wrote in message

What were you, Harry?

Don't you recall, John? Harry's claim is that he served his country in time
of war, but as a civilian, employed by some AF General, somewhere "...in
Southeast Asia..." Could have been Peace Corps in Pattaya.

Harry must have read about a civilian who worked for a General in SE Asia.

It probably was in a magazine his doctor doctor wife picked up while waiting
in a real doctors lobby.

Whenever Harry posts personal information in rec.boats it is always a
fabrication of the mind, due to his low self esteem.


"John Gaquin" wrote in message
...

"JohnH" wrote in message

What were you, Harry?

Don't you recall, John? Harry's claim is that he served his country in
time
of war, but as a civilian, employed by some AF General, somewhere "...in
Southeast Asia..." Could have been Peace Corps in Pattaya.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"JohnH" wrote in message

What were you, Harry?

Don't you recall, John? Harry's claim is that he served his country in time
of war, but as a civilian, employed by some AF General, somewhere "...in
Southeast Asia..." Could have been Peace Corps in Pattaya.

So, are you attempting to say that, if you were a civilian, that that
doesn't constitute serving your country?

"basskisser" wrote in message

So, are you attempting to say that, if you were a civilian, that that
doesn't constitute serving your country?

No, bass -- if I were attempting to say that, that's what would be printed
on the page. It does get tiresome having to explain things to you.

The point regarding Harry is that he continually and deliberately obfuscates
the nature of his claimed national service. Many here have plainly said 'I
served in the Air Force', or '...in the Army'. Some have said they did not
serve. Some said they served in the Peace Corps. But Harry never has
clearly stated the type of service he performed, or for whom.

Now, there is no hard requirement to serve, or to state the nature of one's
service, and that is OK if one prefers not to say. But Harry has repeatedly
strongly implied some level of official service in SEA during the time of
the Vietnam war, thereby trying to claim some level of associated status or
familiarity, while steadfastly refusing to specify the nature of the
service, or to whom provided. This tactic is typical of those lying about
their service for personal aggrandizement.