"jps" wrote in message
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In article , says...

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
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My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently
out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we
might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out.
Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?


I never paid a fee for any boat that I sea trialed. I bought 3 of
them...and walked away from a fourth 'cause the seller and I couldn't
reach
an agreement on a lower price after the sea trial. But I still didn't
pay
for the sea trial.

Three of the four boats that I sea trialed were sold on consignment by a
dealer. The reason the dealer gets a commission on the sale of a
consignment boat is because he has to take on the responsibility and
cost of
launching the boat for sea trials.

There is no way I'd pay a dealer to launch and sea trial a boat that
he's
already getting a commission on. That's the reason he's getting a
commission...to put up with the tire kickers.

We're probably not talkin' about trailer boats Nobby.

There's no difference. It takes just as much time and effort to launch a
25' center console from a dry rack as it does a 40' Convertible. Two of the
four boats that I looked at were in dry storage and needed a forkie to put
'em in the water. Another one was at a boat dealer that was
landlocked...and the owner of the dealership trailered it 20 minutes to the
launch ramp and sea-trialed it with me.

Only one of the four was already moored at a wet slip and didn't need to be
launched.

Gould tried to make the point that there's a difference between launching
for a sea-trial, and launching for a survey. What if your surveyor travels
along for the sea-trial? Is that a sea-trial (seller pays according to
Gould)...or a survey (buyer pays according to Gould)?

In article , says...

"jps" wrote in message
...
In article , says...

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently
out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we
might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out.
Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?


I never paid a fee for any boat that I sea trialed. I bought 3 of
them...and walked away from a fourth 'cause the seller and I couldn't
reach
an agreement on a lower price after the sea trial. But I still didn't
pay
for the sea trial.

Three of the four boats that I sea trialed were sold on consignment by a
dealer. The reason the dealer gets a commission on the sale of a
consignment boat is because he has to take on the responsibility and
cost of
launching the boat for sea trials.

There is no way I'd pay a dealer to launch and sea trial a boat that
he's
already getting a commission on. That's the reason he's getting a
commission...to put up with the tire kickers.

We're probably not talkin' about trailer boats Nobby.

There's no difference. It takes just as much time and effort to launch a
25' center console from a dry rack as it does a 40' Convertible. Two of the
four boats that I looked at were in dry storage and needed a forkie to put
'em in the water. Another one was at a boat dealer that was
landlocked...and the owner of the dealership trailered it 20 minutes to the
launch ramp and sea-trialed it with me.

Only one of the four was already moored at a wet slip and didn't need to be
launched.

Gould tried to make the point that there's a difference between launching
for a sea-trial, and launching for a survey. What if your surveyor travels
along for the sea-trial? Is that a sea-trial (seller pays according to
Gould)...or a survey (buyer pays according to Gould)?

We're talking about a: boat that's sitting in the water needing to be
dry docked so the surveyor can do his under the waterline inspection of
hull, running gear, thru hulls, etc.

or b: sitting on the hard needing to get to the water to be sea-trialed.

For a 28' and under that can fit on a trailer or get a forklift ride,
the expense and time isn't that bad but it's still usually incumbent on
the person looking for confirmation, not on the current owner.

When you've got a boat that requires a traveling lift or dry dock to
raise or lower, it's a different story. It can run hundreds of $ to
lift and splash. I'm certainly not going to do that for a perspective
buyer on my dime.

jps

"jps" wrote in message
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We're talking about a: boat that's sitting in the water needing to be
dry docked so the surveyor can do his under the waterline inspection of
hull, running gear, thru hulls, etc.


or b: sitting on the hard needing to get to the water to be sea-trialed.

No, that's wrong. The original post said this:

"My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out of
the water at our marina. "

Did you catch that part? "...currently out of the water..."




For a 28' and under that can fit on a trailer or get a forklift ride,
the expense and time isn't that bad but it's still usually incumbent on
the person looking for confirmation, not on the current owner.


No it's not. If you buy a boat, you're entitled to a sea trial. It's the
seller's responsibility to see to it that the boat is in the water so that
prospective buyer can sea trial it. Of the 4 boats that I sea-trialed, I
bought three of them. One of them had problems, and the owner wouldn't
budge on the price after the sea-trial. Each time (except for one), I put
down a deposit (usually $500 or $1000) prior to the sea-trial. After the
sea-trial, the money was either applied to the purchase, or refunded if the
boat didn't perform as advertised.


When you've got a boat that requires a traveling lift or dry dock to
raise or lower, it's a different story. It can run hundreds of $ to
lift and splash. I'm certainly not going to do that for a perspective
buyer on my dime.

Many marinas in my area either sell the boat on consignment for owner, or
write into the owner's storage contract that the marina is entitled to 10%
of the sales price of the boat if it's sold from their premises. It's not
the owner's dime that is paying for the launch...it's usually the marina's
money...and, many times, they're compensated for it via the commission they
receive on the sale.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:03:56 GMT, vze3j5ge
wrote:

My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

Thanks for any help.

Normally it requires a deposit in escrow against the potential
purchase. Which is to say, you deposit 10%, or an agreed upon sum
which shows your good faith, then the launch, test cruise, inspection,
etc. can be arranged. If you decide not to purchase after, then the
deposit is returned less any fees.

The buyer pays for the launch and recovery, but in several cases that
I'm aware of, the fee was split once the survey was done and the
purchase price was agreed on. If you decide not to purchase the boat,
then you have lost the fee, but normally at that point, the seller
becomes more motivated so if problems are found, a formerly firm price
becomes amazingly negotiable (unless the seller is a complete idiot).

At that point, it's up to you what to do with regard to purchase. You
can have the owner fix any problems or agree to fix the problems at a
discounted price for the vessel. Depending on how big the vessel is,
your insurance company will require a copy of the survey and evidence
of any repairs before allowing you to operate the vessel under their
umbrella.

There are variations on this, but any reputable broker/yard will help
you through the process. Take your time.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom
S. Woodstock, CT
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

but normally at that point, the seller
becomes more motivated so if problems are found, a formerly firm price
becomes amazingly negotiable (unless the seller is a complete idiot).

snicker, snicker, snicker. so the broker wants the chiseling buyer -- whom he
despises as an incompetent turd trying to steal something -- to believe. screw
with a broker and he/she will screw you back. and he/she has seen every
screwer type on the planet. It ain't an even match. And it shouldn't be even.
That is the service a broker offers to a seller. Insulation from the
sniveling fools trying to steal.

If the seller is not willing to pay to have the boat put in the water for a
test run (and allow the survey to occur while in the water the same day),
then he is not interested in selling the boat. I would never pay at a
marina to have a boat put in the water so I can test drive it when the boat
is stored there.

As others have stated, buyer pays for the survey.
Seller pays to get it in the water for a test and the fuel (you should not
be burning much fuel on a test run of maybe a couple miles).

Now if your planning on doing a test drive on say Saturday and the survey
will not occur until another day - you would need to possibly pay for the
second put-in for the surveyor. You should coordinate so all occurs the
same day.

I have sold several boats and I have always towed it to the lake and paid to
launch for the test ride.

--
Tony
my boats at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

Thanks for any help.

Elaine

tony, you are lost to this world. give up you dream of one day owning a
plywood rowboat.


From: "Tony Thomas"
Date: 8/19/2004 9:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: HAcVc.2779$9d6.1649@attbi_s54

If the seller is not willing to pay to have the boat put in the water for a
test run (and allow the survey to occur while in the water the same day),
then he is not interested in selling the boat. I would never pay at a
marina to have a boat put in the water so I can test drive it when the boat
is stored there.

As others have stated, buyer pays for the survey.
Seller pays to get it in the water for a test and the fuel (you should not
be burning much fuel on a test run of maybe a couple miles).

Now if your planning on doing a test drive on say Saturday and the survey
will not occur until another day - you would need to possibly pay for the
second put-in for the surveyor. You should coordinate so all occurs the
same day.

I have sold several boats and I have always towed it to the lake and paid to
launch for the test ride.

--
Tony
my boats at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out. Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

Thanks for any help.

Elaine

Now why am I lost in this world. I have owned everything from a rowboat to
a 24' cabin cruiser. I tested a couple of 25' and 26' boats before I found
the 24' one.
And the original question had nothing to do w/ putting it in the water to
have inspected. It only asked who would pay to have it put in the water for
a test ride.

I would assume we are talking about a boat that is not on a trailer and is
probably in the 28' or larger range.

Now, I would not put the boat in the water for a joy ride. However, I would
expect the seller to pay to get it in the water if we have settled on a
price and I am going to get a surveyer there when I test drive.

--
Tony
my boats at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

"JAXAshby" wrote in message
...
tony, you are lost to this world. give up you dream of one day owning a
plywood rowboat.


From: "Tony Thomas"
Date: 8/19/2004 9:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: HAcVc.2779$9d6.1649@attbi_s54

If the seller is not willing to pay to have the boat put in the water for
a
test run (and allow the survey to occur while in the water the same day),
then he is not interested in selling the boat. I would never pay at a
marina to have a boat put in the water so I can test drive it when the
boat
is stored there.

As others have stated, buyer pays for the survey.
Seller pays to get it in the water for a test and the fuel (you should
not
be burning much fuel on a test run of maybe a couple miles).

Now if your planning on doing a test drive on say Saturday and the survey
will not occur until another day - you would need to possibly pay for the
second put-in for the surveyor. You should coordinate so all occurs the
same day.

I have sold several boats and I have always towed it to the lake and paid
to
launch for the test ride.

--
Tony
my boats at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com

"vze3j5ge" wrote in message
...
My husband and I are considering purchase of a used boat - currently
out
of the water at our marina. We've spoken to a marine surveyor we might
hire who says that the engine can be tested to some extent on land but
that we really should put the boat in the water and check it out.
Seems
reasonable - but my question is one about procedure. Who usually pays
for the marina to put boat in and take it out again in such a case -
buyer or seller?

Thanks for any help.

Elaine

"Tony Thomas" wrote in message news:HAcVc.2779$9d6.1649@attbi_s54...
I have sold several boats and I have always towed it to the lake and paid to
launch for the test ride.

--
Tony
my boats at http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com


Tony,

When I hear discussions regarding the "cost of launching", I assume we
are (most of us) talking about the costs of a travelift or similar
large and expensive piece of marina-owned equipment needed to lower a
vessel to the water for a trial. Depending on the vessel and the
location, this can cost several hundred dollars.

I hope you didn't ask perspective buyers to pay you to tow your
Bayliner to the water with your Saturn...
(See:http://t.thomas.home.mchsi.com) ; )

Regards,

Coff

gene, you are dumber than squat. stay out of this discussion. adults are
talking.

From: "Gene Kearns"
Date: 8/19/2004 9:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 20 Aug 2004 01:19:09 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

gene, knock it off for the criminy sakes. dood, you have no touch with the
world. Have you EVER bought a boat, used?

I suspect, that if money changes hands, cost for hauling should be
borne by the seller


You sort of missed the last part of that sentence, didn't you? You
know, that part about, "...and reimbursed by the buyer. "

Attention span not your long suit?


--



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