"Netsock" wrote in message
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"David Fritzinger" wrote in message
...
Now, try to actually support your ridiculous contention. Indeed, you
cannot, because I took what you said, and asked you to support it. You
obviously cannot, so you made the strawman accusation. You have
demonstrated how brainless you are yet again.

--
Dave Fritzinger

Bye bye Davy...

*ploink*

--
-Netsock



I thought you would have killfiled the entire NG by now.

Dave Hall wrote:
His whole administration was a failure. He managed to do a few
domestically good things, and he paid lip service to the concepts of
peace to a segment of the world which laughed at him behind his back.
But otherwise, he presided over a recessionary economy, as well as at
least one oil "crisis".

What a tiny memory you have, Dave... not that it's surprising.

The oil crises was brought on under Nixon (think "wage & price freezes")
and made worse under Ford... Carter was doing much to get out of it,
although baulked at every turn by profiteers in both parties. As for the
"recessionary economy" you have been telling us how the boom of the '90s
wasn't Clinton's doing and the recession of the '00s isn't Bush's
doing... isn't it handy to be able to blame Carter for the economy though?

So, with no specifics except what you got wrong, you condemn Carter's
"whole administration" as a "failure." You have no real facts, no solid
basis for saying so... just what the hate-radio voices have been telling
you...

DSK

Netsock and Harry are very similar in this respect, they both like to tell
us who they are filtering, but in reality neither of them ever put anyone in
their filter.


"jim--" wrote in message
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"Netsock" wrote in message
...

"David Fritzinger" wrote in message
...
Now, try to actually support your ridiculous contention. Indeed, you
cannot, because I took what you said, and asked you to support it. You
obviously cannot, so you made the strawman accusation. You have
demonstrated how brainless you are yet again.

--
Dave Fritzinger

Bye bye Davy...

*ploink*

--
-Netsock



I thought you would have killfiled the entire NG by now.

When you put up an extremist as your nominee, that says a lot about your
party.

Al Sharpton in an extremist. Lyndon LaRouche is an extremist. John Kerry is a
moderate that frightens the right so badly they portray him as an extremist.

But it's a matter of perspective. You guys who think Jerry Falwell and Rush
LImbaugh are centrists, would find Kerry
an extreme leftist under the same standards.

To be more precise...

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and
then He instructed me to strike at Saddam"

That is pretty extreme, if Bush said it.
Sure this isn't an urban legend?
Do you have a cite?

It would be pretty frightening if we are going to war
not in response to actual strategic requirements but because our President
believes he is hearing divine voices.

Gould 0738 wrote:
To be more precise...

"God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and
then He instructed me to strike at Saddam"

That is pretty extreme, if Bush said it.
Sure this isn't an urban legend?
Do you have a cite?

It would be pretty frightening if we are going to war
not in response to actual strategic requirements but because our President
believes he is hearing divine voices.




A number of cites, including this one from the WashPost, which questions
the credibility of the statement, but...if you enter the statement in
google, you'll come up with a plethora of hits.

Road Map in the Back Seat?

By Al Kamen

Friday, June 27, 2003; Page A27

Imagine our surprise Wednesday to read in the Israeli paper Haaretz
(online), that Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen, meeting
recently with militants to enlist their support for a truce with Israel,
said that, when they met in Aqaba, President Bush had told him this: "
God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he
instructed me to strike at Saddam [ Hussein], which I did, and now I am
determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I
will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus
on them."

So who needs to find WMD or a link with al Qaeda when the orders come
from The Highest Authority?

Two calls to the White House for clarification went unreturned, but
colleague Glenn Kessler did some digging. The Haaretz reporter, Arnon
Regular, read what the paper said were minutes of the Palestinians'
meeting to Kessler and another colleague, who is an Arabic speaker.

The Arabic-speaking colleague's translation, was this: "God inspired me
to hit al Qaeda, and so I hit it. And I had the inspiration to hit
Saddam, and so I hit him. Now I am determined to solve the Middle East
problem if you help. Otherwise the elections will come and I will be
wrapped up with them."

Even then, there's uncertainty. After all, this is Abu Mazen's account
in Arabic of what Bush said in English, written down by a note-taker in
Arabic, then back into English.

But one thing seems consistent: The election season is going to be a
huge distraction from the Road Map, something the White House has always
insisted would not be the case.

A number of cites, including this one from the WashPost, which questions
the credibility of the statement, but...if you enter the statement in
google, you'll come up with a plethora of hits.

I got 914.

Most seem to say it's a translation, of a translation, of a translation, of a
translation.

So, surely Bush has cleared this up?
Scanning through the hits I didn't immediately spot anywhere Bush had clarified
or repudiated the statement. Doesn't mean there aren't any, just that I didn't
see one. I did type in "Bush denies God told him to strike Al Qaida" and got a
bunch of hits, but actually *none* seemed to be Bush denying that he said it.
All of them seemed to be people noting that Bush had not denied it.

It does pose an interesting political dilemna for Bush. Do you clarify or
repudiate a statement that claims you said
God is directing the military and foreign policy of the United States -(and
reduce the effectiveness of the incident when used by your detractors), or do
you say that God is *not* speaking to you and giving specific instructions on
conducting the "war on terror" and disappoint a lot of your most ardent
followers?

Gould 0738 wrote:

A number of cites, including this one from the WashPost, which questions
the credibility of the statement, but...if you enter the statement in
google, you'll come up with a plethora of hits.

I got 914.

Most seem to say it's a translation, of a translation, of a translation, of a
translation.

So, surely Bush has cleared this up?
Scanning through the hits I didn't immediately spot anywhere Bush had clarified
or repudiated the statement. Doesn't mean there aren't any, just that I didn't
see one. I did type in "Bush denies God told him to strike Al Qaida" and got a
bunch of hits, but actually *none* seemed to be Bush denying that he said it.
All of them seemed to be people noting that Bush had not denied it.

It does pose an interesting political dilemna for Bush. Do you clarify or
repudiate a statement that claims you said
God is directing the military and foreign policy of the United States -(and
reduce the effectiveness of the incident when used by your detractors), or do
you say that God is *not* speaking to you and giving specific instructions on
conducting the "war on terror" and disappoint a lot of your most ardent
followers?



I would bet Bush said it. It is just the kind of stupid statement he
would make. Remember, this is a man who declared "Jesus Day" in Texas
while he was governor.

Gould,

As always you are the voice of reason.

The quote is from a foreign newspaper, quoting a foreign leader (whose
English is not perfect, who is quoting something from memory, that no one
else heard.

Bush and Kerry have too many issue where they differ, for anyone to resort
to this. I put this right up there with the Swifties against Kerry.





"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
A number of cites, including this one from the WashPost, which questions
the credibility of the statement, but...if you enter the statement in
google, you'll come up with a plethora of hits.

I got 914.

Most seem to say it's a translation, of a translation, of a translation,
of a
translation.

So, surely Bush has cleared this up?
Scanning through the hits I didn't immediately spot anywhere Bush had
clarified
or repudiated the statement. Doesn't mean there aren't any, just that I
didn't
see one. I did type in "Bush denies God told him to strike Al Qaida" and
got a
bunch of hits, but actually *none* seemed to be Bush denying that he said
it.
All of them seemed to be people noting that Bush had not denied it.

It does pose an interesting political dilemna for Bush. Do you clarify or
repudiate a statement that claims you said
God is directing the military and foreign policy of the United
States -(and
reduce the effectiveness of the incident when used by your detractors), or
do
you say that God is *not* speaking to you and giving specific instructions
on
conducting the "war on terror" and disappoint a lot of your most ardent
followers?

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:34:45 -0400, thunder
wrote:

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:23:16 -0400, Dave Hall wrote:


As smart and as compassionate as Carter was, his biggest problem was that
he was politically weak. Our enemies knew it, which is why the Iran
hostage situation lasted as long as it did.

Is that why the hostage situation lasted so long?


http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile.html

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0591/9105011.htm


And you believe that crap? I have copies of "documents" which are
supposedly from top military officials which confirm the existence of
aliens. Does it mean that it's true?

One thing that is true though that if this scheme occurred as reported
in those links, then the guys responsible are/were guilty of a major
crime (possibly Treason). Since none of the participants were ever
brought to trial much less convicted of anything, I would have to say
that the evidence was not enough to make a case, and that what you
read there is pure bunk, and most likely a left wing smear campaign.

Dave