Here are some facts. Let's see how the right wingers spin these!!!


-- When Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Dow Jones industrial
average was at 10,587.59. It closed Tuesday at 9,944.67.

-- When Bush took office, the unemployment rate was 4.2 percent. It's
now 5.5 percent, according to the Labor Department.

-- When Bush took office, U.S. consumer debt totaled almost $1.7
trillion. It's now $2.038 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve.

-- When Bush took office, bankruptcy filings during the previous year
totaled almost 1.3 million, down 5 percent from a year before. By Dec.
31, 2003, bankruptcies had hit a record of nearly 1.7 million, up 5.2
percent from 2002, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

-- When Bush took office, the federal budget had been balanced for
three straight years and was, in the 2000 fiscal year, running a
surplus of $236 billion -- the largest in U.S. history. The White
House is projecting a record budget deficit this year of $445 billion.

"basskisser" wrote in message .

Here are some facts. Let's see how the right wingers spin these!!!



God, bass, you're so easy. You find these factoids someplace else, and post
them here as if everyone's supposed to be awed by your perspicacity.

Fact is that statistical snapshots are meaningless without ancillary data
relating to trends and outside mitigating factors.

Example: 2 to 4 times in the past 24 hours you've held your own organ in
your hand. Does this fact by itself have any meaning, positive or negative?
No. Ancillary data is required to ascertain exactly what was going on. :-)

"basskisser" wrote in message
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As suspected....it's all Clinton's fault!!

I knew when given the facts you could not argue the point!
Greg

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As suspected....it's all Clinton's fault!!

I knew when given the facts you could not argue the point!
Greg

You gave nothing but unsubstainiated opinion. Here are facts:


-- When Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Dow Jones industrial
average was at 10,587.59. It closed Tuesday at 9,944.67.

-- When Bush took office, the unemployment rate was 4.2 percent. It's
now 5.5 percent, according to the Labor Department.

-- When Bush took office, U.S. consumer debt totaled almost $1.7
trillion. It's now $2.038 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve.

-- When Bush took office, bankruptcy filings during the previous year
totaled almost 1.3 million, down 5 percent from a year before. By Dec.
31, 2003, bankruptcies had hit a record of nearly 1.7 million, up 5.2
percent from 2002, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

-- When Bush took office, the federal budget had been balanced for
three straight years and was, in the 2000 fiscal year, running a
surplus of $236 billion -- the largest in U.S. history. The White
House is projecting a record budget deficit this year of $445 billion.

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"Greg O" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
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As suspected....it's all Clinton's fault!!

I knew when given the facts you could not argue the point!
Greg

You gave nothing but unsubstainiated opinion. Here are facts:


-- When Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Dow Jones industrial
average was at 10,587.59. It closed Tuesday at 9,944.67.

-- When Bush took office, the unemployment rate was 4.2 percent. It's
now 5.5 percent, according to the Labor Department.

-- When Bush took office, U.S. consumer debt totaled almost $1.7
trillion. It's now $2.038 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve.

-- When Bush took office, bankruptcy filings during the previous year
totaled almost 1.3 million, down 5 percent from a year before. By Dec.
31, 2003, bankruptcies had hit a record of nearly 1.7 million, up 5.2
percent from 2002, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

-- When Bush took office, the federal budget had been balanced for
three straight years and was, in the 2000 fiscal year, running a
surplus of $236 billion -- the largest in U.S. history. The White
House is projecting a record budget deficit this year of $445 billion.

And I would have bet that no matter who was the next president after
Clinton, things would not be very much differant, Dem or republican.
Did you honestly expect the economy to keep running at the pace it was?? We
were due for a slow down, the next president in office had nothing to do
with it!

Before the election I was moving my investments out of the stock market to
bond funds. About one year ago I moved back into the stock market! Damn! I
am smelling like a rose! Right now I am a bit befuddled on what to do, run
and hide back in bond funds, or ride out the electin. It is a bit harder to
tell what the market may do. I expect a dip, no matter who wins, but how
much of a dip?!
Greg

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"Greg O" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...

As suspected....it's all Clinton's fault!!

I knew when given the facts you could not argue the point!
Greg

You gave nothing but unsubstainiated opinion. Here are facts:


-- When Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Dow Jones industrial
average was at 10,587.59. It closed Tuesday at 9,944.67.

-- When Bush took office, the unemployment rate was 4.2 percent. It's
now 5.5 percent, according to the Labor Department.

-- When Bush took office, U.S. consumer debt totaled almost $1.7
trillion. It's now $2.038 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve.

-- When Bush took office, bankruptcy filings during the previous year
totaled almost 1.3 million, down 5 percent from a year before. By Dec.
31, 2003, bankruptcies had hit a record of nearly 1.7 million, up 5.2
percent from 2002, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

-- When Bush took office, the federal budget had been balanced for
three straight years and was, in the 2000 fiscal year, running a
surplus of $236 billion -- the largest in U.S. history. The White
House is projecting a record budget deficit this year of $445 billion.

And I would have bet that no matter who was the next president after
Clinton, things would not be very much differant, Dem or republican.
Did you honestly expect the economy to keep running at the pace it was?? We
were due for a slow down, the next president in office had nothing to do
with it!

Before the election I was moving my investments out of the stock market to
bond funds. About one year ago I moved back into the stock market! Damn! I
am smelling like a rose! Right now I am a bit befuddled on what to do, run
and hide back in bond funds, or ride out the electin. It is a bit harder to
tell what the market may do. I expect a dip, no matter who wins, but how
much of a dip?!
Greg

The way BushCo is butchering the economy, there is no telling what
will happen next. The trouble is, we (the government) are so far in
debt now that it will take some drastic changes.

"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Greg O" wrote in message
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"Greg O" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...

As suspected....it's all Clinton's fault!!

I knew when given the facts you could not argue the point!
Greg

You gave nothing but unsubstainiated opinion. Here are facts:


-- When Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Dow Jones industrial
average was at 10,587.59. It closed Tuesday at 9,944.67.

-- When Bush took office, the unemployment rate was 4.2 percent. It's
now 5.5 percent, according to the Labor Department.

-- When Bush took office, U.S. consumer debt totaled almost $1.7
trillion. It's now $2.038 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve.

-- When Bush took office, bankruptcy filings during the previous year
totaled almost 1.3 million, down 5 percent from a year before. By Dec.
31, 2003, bankruptcies had hit a record of nearly 1.7 million, up 5.2
percent from 2002, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

-- When Bush took office, the federal budget had been balanced for
three straight years and was, in the 2000 fiscal year, running a
surplus of $236 billion -- the largest in U.S. history. The White
House is projecting a record budget deficit this year of $445 billion.

And I would have bet that no matter who was the next president after
Clinton, things would not be very much differant, Dem or republican.
Did you honestly expect the economy to keep running at the pace it was??
We
were due for a slow down, the next president in office had nothing to do
with it!

Before the election I was moving my investments out of the stock market
to
bond funds. About one year ago I moved back into the stock market! Damn!
I
am smelling like a rose! Right now I am a bit befuddled on what to do,
run
and hide back in bond funds, or ride out the electin. It is a bit harder
to
tell what the market may do. I expect a dip, no matter who wins, but how
much of a dip?!
Greg

The way BushCo is butchering the economy, there is no telling what
will happen next. The trouble is, we (the government) are so far in
debt now that it will take some drastic changes.

So how is Bush "butchering" the economy bass?

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"basskisser" wrote in message
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"Greg O" wrote in message
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"basskisser" wrote in message
om...

As suspected....it's all Clinton's fault!!

I knew when given the facts you could not argue the point!
Greg

You gave nothing but unsubstainiated opinion. Here are facts:


-- When Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Dow Jones industrial
average was at 10,587.59. It closed Tuesday at 9,944.67.

-- When Bush took office, the unemployment rate was 4.2 percent. It's
now 5.5 percent, according to the Labor Department.

-- When Bush took office, U.S. consumer debt totaled almost $1.7
trillion. It's now $2.038 trillion, according to the Federal Reserve.

-- When Bush took office, bankruptcy filings during the previous year
totaled almost 1.3 million, down 5 percent from a year before. By Dec.
31, 2003, bankruptcies had hit a record of nearly 1.7 million, up 5.2
percent from 2002, according to the American Bankruptcy Institute.

-- When Bush took office, the federal budget had been balanced for
three straight years and was, in the 2000 fiscal year, running a
surplus of $236 billion -- the largest in U.S. history. The White
House is projecting a record budget deficit this year of $445 billion.

And I would have bet that no matter who was the next president after
Clinton, things would not be very much differant, Dem or republican.
Did you honestly expect the economy to keep running at the pace it was??
We
were due for a slow down, the next president in office had nothing to do
with it!

Before the election I was moving my investments out of the stock market
to
bond funds. About one year ago I moved back into the stock market! Damn!
I
am smelling like a rose! Right now I am a bit befuddled on what to do,
run
and hide back in bond funds, or ride out the electin. It is a bit harder
to
tell what the market may do. I expect a dip, no matter who wins, but how
much of a dip?!
Greg

The way BushCo is butchering the economy, there is no telling what
will happen next. The trouble is, we (the government) are so far in
debt now that it will take some drastic changes.

So how is Bush "butchering" the economy bass?

1. Price of crude
2. Running the largest defecit we've ever had.
3. Even Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan has repeatedly
said that a tax cut without reductions in federal spending would send
our deficit into a tailspin, but Bush did it anyway.
4. Bush promised, while campaining, that if elected, there would be a
"new era of responsibility. He's not been responsible at all, and even
goes so far as to blame China for OUR butchered economy.
5. That's about it, blame someone else, don't take another look at his
hideous tax cuts, no rethinking GATT or NAFTA, and certainly don't
take any advice from someone who actually KNOWS how the economy works.
6. Insulting foreigners, the Chinese in particular, every time he has
to give a speech, by saying inflammatory things, say tough-sounding
things, like that "he wants to send a message overseas that Americans
"expect there to be a fair playing field when it comes to trade."
7. He put approx. 3 million people out of work.
8. He sold America out to special interests.

All in all, BushCo is painting a rosy picture, and you righties that
are lemming-like, eat it hook, line and sinker. The rosy picture isn't
there. The economy is still ****ed up.

So how is Bush "butchering" the economy bass?

Basskisser charged:

1. Price of crude

Hard to drop that one directly on Bush. There are always some political
influences in the price of basic raw materials, but the underlying fact is that
we've been steadfastly ignoring the shifting balance between crude oil supply
and demand for several decades.

2. Running the largest defecit we've ever had.

Got 'im fair and square on that one. The Republican congress writes the checks,
but they aren't any good until Bush signs 'em.

3. 3. Even Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan has repeatedly
said that a tax cut without reductions in federal spending would send
our deficit into a tailspin, but Bush did it anyway.

What does Greenspan know? He's an economist. Everybody knows that politicians
make better economists than economists do.

4. Bush promised, while campaining, that if elected, there would be a
"new era of responsibility. He's not been responsible at all, and even
goes so far as to blame China for OUR butchered economy.

He's kept that promise. Liberals and democrats are now "repsonsible" for
everything the least bit wrong with this country. Where have you been?

.................

7. He put approx. 3 million people out of work.

No he didn't. There are 1,2, or 3 million more unemployed people now that when
Bush took office, (depending on how you want to measure the problem and define
"unemployed"), but just like Clinton can't take credit for the employment boom
that happened on his watch, you can't blame Bush directly for the decline since
he's been in office. The Republican philosophy is less concerned with whether
people are working than with whether capital investment is adequately rewarded,
but that's not a personal failing of Bush.

8. He sold America out to special interests.


Not hardly. Those same special interests own Bush too. It is imperative to get
rid of Bush this fall, not because he's such a bad guy, but because his
puppeteers operate with a complete disregard for all but a tiny fraction of our
population.

(Gould 0738) wrote in message ...
So how is Bush "butchering" the economy bass?

Basskisser charged:

1. Price of crude

Hard to drop that one directly on Bush. There are always some political
influences in the price of basic raw materials, but the underlying fact is that
we've been steadfastly ignoring the shifting balance between crude oil supply
and demand for several decades.

Good points, but there are mitigating factors. We've made a shambles
out of our relationships with world economic powers such as Germany.
This translates into crude, since it is the world's money, so to
speak.

2. Running the largest defecit we've ever had.

Got 'im fair and square on that one. The Republican congress writes the checks,
but they aren't any good until Bush signs 'em.

3. 3. Even Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan has repeatedly
said that a tax cut without reductions in federal spending would send
our deficit into a tailspin, but Bush did it anyway.

What does Greenspan know? He's an economist. Everybody knows that politicians
make better economists than economists do.

Sorry, my bad!

4. Bush promised, while campaining, that if elected, there would be a
"new era of responsibility. He's not been responsible at all, and even
goes so far as to blame China for OUR butchered economy.

He's kept that promise. Liberals and democrats are now "repsonsible" for
everything the least bit wrong with this country. Where have you been?

................

7. He put approx. 3 million people out of work.

No he didn't. There are 1,2, or 3 million more unemployed people now that when
Bush took office, (depending on how you want to measure the problem and define
"unemployed"), but just like Clinton can't take credit for the employment boom
that happened on his watch, you can't blame Bush directly for the decline since
he's been in office. The Republican philosophy is less concerned with whether
people are working than with whether capital investment is adequately rewarded,
but that's not a personal failing of Bush.

Well, let's just say him, and his henchmen, then, collectively called
BushCo.

8. He sold America out to special interests.


Not hardly. Those same special interests own Bush too. It is imperative to get
rid of Bush this fall, not because he's such a bad guy, but because his
puppeteers operate with a complete disregard for all but a tiny fraction of our
population.