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Composite stringer grids, redux
Thanks to all who tried to provide insight into composite stringer grids.
I came away with the following: Wood or no wood, how it's done matters most. To that end, I called the factory to arrange for a tour of the production process; l was told it is only done through the dealer, which is too bad, because that means I may have to engage in negotation before I've actually decided to purchase. More on that in a bit. The boat is question is the Fishmaster model 1960 sold by Travis, built by Dynasty. Also comes in slightly different trim as a Polar 1910 model. While Travis branded boats don't have a great reputation, there is reason for optimism. I have seen continuous improvement on the overall quality of this model and others in the model lineup over several years. Viewed from the outside, the boat itself appears well constructed, especially in it's price class. The hardware quality and overall finish are quite good, and the features are well thought out. Travis is a bit of a puzzle. They are struggling, and Tracker may be positioning itself for a takeover via a series of loans that give Tracker increasing control of Travis. I don't have a problem with Tracker, but Travis' instability is troubling from a service and resale perspective. There is only one store in Georgia, and it is not hard to imagine it closing. This particular model comes rigged with the Suzuki 140 four stroke, and the 150 EFI two stroke is also available. I have no problem owning either motor. The 140 is tempting for the user friendliness, but I suspect the 150 will actually outperform the 140 by more than the listed 10 hp. Suzuki is well represented in north Georgia, with four dealers besides Travis. There are other hurdles to tackle, like the boat space in my driveway, already challenged by my bass boat's 84" of beam. The 1960 is 102". And then there is my V6 Sport Trac towing around 3000+ pounds instead of the current 2000 pounds I currently tow. But those are other stories for another post, another time. And finally, I want to offer this observation: It would have been so easy for the previous thread to have been strictly about the original question, or reasonable tangents to the issue at hand, without the personal attacks that now represent the majority of interaction in this group. Wouldn't that be nice? -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
Composite stringer grids, redux
Polar has had some *very severe* quality and assembly issues. Is this a recent or past observation? Do you have an example? Polar makes a wide range of boats, in plants owned by different organizations. If the boats are rolling out of the Vinemont, AL plant that makes the Travis bay models, I haven't seen a hint of the problems. Evidence is to the contrary. I'm not looking to bury my head in the sand. I'd rather know facts. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
Composite stringer grids, redux
Rich Stern wrote:
Polar has had some *very severe* quality and assembly issues. Is this a recent or past observation? Do you have an example? Polar makes a wide range of boats, in plants owned by different organizations. The polar skiffs that are built to compete with the carolina skiffs have suffered from hull cracks -- Email sent to is never read. |
Composite stringer grids, redux
Rich Stern wrote:
Thanks to all who tried to provide insight into composite stringer grids. I came away with the following: Wood or no wood, how it's done matters most. To that end, I called the factory to arrange for a tour of the production process; l was told it is only done through the dealer, which is too bad, because that means I may have to engage in negotation before I've actually decided to purchase. More on that in a bit. The boat is question is the Fishmaster model 1960 sold by Travis, built by Dynasty. Also comes in slightly different trim as a Polar 1910 model. While Travis branded boats don't have a great reputation, there is reason for optimism. I have seen continuous improvement on the overall quality of this model and others in the model lineup over several years. Viewed from the outside, the boat itself appears well constructed, especially in it's price class. The hardware quality and overall finish are quite good, and the features are well thought out. Travis is a bit of a puzzle. They are struggling, and Tracker may be positioning itself for a takeover via a series of loans that give Tracker increasing control of Travis. I don't have a problem with Tracker, but Travis' instability is troubling from a service and resale perspective. There is only one store in Georgia, and it is not hard to imagine it closing. This particular model comes rigged with the Suzuki 140 four stroke, and the 150 EFI two stroke is also available. I have no problem owning either motor. The 140 is tempting for the user friendliness, but I suspect the 150 will actually outperform the 140 by more than the listed 10 hp. Suzuki is well represented in north Georgia, with four dealers besides Travis. There are other hurdles to tackle, like the boat space in my driveway, already challenged by my bass boat's 84" of beam. The 1960 is 102". And then there is my V6 Sport Trac towing around 3000+ pounds instead of the current 2000 pounds I currently tow. But those are other stories for another post, another time. And finally, I want to offer this observation: It would have been so easy for the previous thread to have been strictly about the original question, or reasonable tangents to the issue at hand, without the personal attacks that now represent the majority of interaction in this group. Wouldn't that be nice? Nice idea Rich but not likely it's just how it is:-) but no matter we get there in the end:-) As I recall you subscribe to "lets take a vote" theory for resolving technical matters, which as demonstrated over the years here is risky (ask anyone who bought a ficht or optimax, even if it didn't fail they still took a bath). (i) Fibreglass is not water proof, it leaks like a sieve. The only thing that stops it easily passing water is whatever is covering it, gelcoat, flowcoat, adhesive (probond?) to stick the stringers to the skin or whatever. (ii) The stringer cores will get wet, maybe not today but they "will" get wet. (iii) Empty hollow stringers are OK but need to be thick enough that they end up heavier & more expensive. (iv) Foam cored stringers are OK so long as the correct foam core is used, so in writing (email?) get confirmation of what the core material is, then get onto any fibreglass materials supplier & run it past them, they'll quickly tell you if it's closed cell water tolerant or no, if it's a no?? well ..... (v) Going to the factory is not going to help you much, it's no guarantee of anything, workmanship is workmanship so even if you "think" the stringers are being glassed in right it's not that simple, even the time lapsed between the hull being laminated & the stringers going in is important as to how it's done. So pretty much the builder is reputable & know what they're doing or they're not, they & their dealers all claim to be the former, but as we've seen here many time dealer "claims" are easy:-) gee that reminds me better do a Harry's lies paste, hope you don't mind???. (vi) Wood is no good, as said it will get wet & it will then rot. The liar is still the liar even in your latest thread!!! how's this; (a) I suggest in true Harry lies fashion why doesn't he claim some knowledge in the field so his BS lies will be believed by saying; The problem isn't wood in boats. It is the wood between your ears. Dear dear dear you can't help yourself, tell you what why don't you make up a lie about how you're a structural engineer & specialise in these things, or how about the jetski lie, this time what?? you won a hammer & nail in a raffle??? & theeeeeeeen the train was a comin'; (b) So right on Q he does!!! with; Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching, photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate, topical and well-received by their intended audiences. See all the elements of a Harry lie??? K Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-) Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted); I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him great rates. As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by a mild hurricane. No one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk. Preferably early in July. We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So, we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either. The proceeds were prudently invested. The PWC was won as a prize in a raffle. Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office? Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?" Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two "around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run. Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days, workers at these places could fix anything. Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But he still called bumpers bumpers. -- Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the *exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them as "jerry-built." From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all* outboards sold in his home state for those years. This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to right after the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his warehouse, I found wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949 Evinrude 8015 50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for winning some outboard stock utility or hydroplane race. I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still brand-new. I have no idea who might own it now. He also built boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've just been an occasional boat owner. Besides, I worked off and on in the boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm knee-deep in boat heritage. Oh, and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came back in body bags. During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings for the Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on smaller landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude himself. My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or singer...I forgot which. Maybe both. Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have. Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice. Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have. Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have. Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have. Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under your command? I have. My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in a 22' boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a "fireboat" welcome in NYC. Here are some: Hatteras 43' sportfish Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop Morgan 33 O'Day 30 Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22 Century Coronado Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze. Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with various Evinrudes Lighting class sailboat Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat. Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit) Alcort Sunfish Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders. Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's. Skimmar brand skiff Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider) Dyer Dhow Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass Penn Yan runabouts. Wood. Old Town wood and canvas canoe Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still there. Sure was a pretty little car. Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching, photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate, topical and well-received by their intended audiences. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
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Is this a recent or past observation? Do you have an example? Polar makes
a wide range of boats, in plants owned by different organizations. The polar skiffs that are built to compete with the carolina skiffs have suffered from hull cracks What does that mean? What type of cracks? Structural cracks on the transom? Gelcoat cracking on the pad? An epidemic of 3 of every 5 boats produced? 2 out of 100? Did they split while on the trailer? In rough water use? I realize you are trying to give useful information, but your input is like saying I shouldn't buy a Toyota Tundra because you heard that Corollas fold up like an accordian in a crash. I need real world input, if you know some. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
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As I recall you subscribe to "lets take a vote" theory for resolving
technical matters, which as demonstrated over the years here is risky (ask anyone who bought a ficht or optimax, even if it didn't fail they still took a bath). Huh? Since when is asking for opinions equivalent to taking votes on solving technical matters? I am not out to "solve" anything. I am looking for input that adds to my knowledge. No voting required. I write the check, so I make the choice. Regarding your assessment about the plant visit. I don't expect to pass judgement on specific boat building details that I cannot grasp without a lot more time and training than a couple of visiting hours will provide. However, I can see things, like the grid, hull and deck before assembly, that are unavailable to me otherwise. I have a practised business eye which will allow me to assess some of the quality and process details at the plant. And I'll have a Q&A opportunity that will far exceed any Q&A I can do with a dealer.. How could any of these things not gain me a more informed opinion of the product than just kicking trailer tires at a dealership? And, finally, a request: Please manage your cut and paste a little better. Your reply mixes responses to Harry with your response to me, and I prefer to not be in between as you two exchange your sixth or seventh thousandth broadside. Thanks for your input. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
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Rich Stern wrote:
As I recall you subscribe to "lets take a vote" theory for resolving technical matters, which as demonstrated over the years here is risky (ask anyone who bought a ficht or optimax, even if it didn't fail they still took a bath). Huh? Since when is asking for opinions equivalent to taking votes on solving technical matters? I am not out to "solve" anything. I am looking for input that adds to my knowledge. No voting required. I write the check, so I make the choice. Clearly I agree with this & will leave the comment there. Regarding your assessment about the plant visit. I don't expect to pass judgement on specific boat building details that I cannot grasp without a lot more time and training than a couple of visiting hours will provide. However, I can see things, like the grid, hull and deck before assembly, that are unavailable to me otherwise. I have a practised business eye which will allow me to assess some of the quality and process details at the plant. And I'll have a Q&A opportunity that will far exceed any Q&A I can do with a dealer.. Yes this is true but is was in the premises of assessing the stringer config that I made the "not much use" comment. Obviously anyone there will spruiking the merits of whatever they do. How could any of these things not gain me a more informed opinion of the product than just kicking trailer tires at a dealership? Any information is better than that given by a dealer & yes I do agree you can make a whole of Co assessment if that's required, although it probably shouldn't be. And, finally, a request: Please manage your cut and paste a little better. Your reply mixes responses to Harry with your response to me, and I prefer to not be in between as you two exchange your sixth or seventh thousandth broadside. Well you've been gone a while & sorry if my "style" isn't to your liking, however I have tried to give "input" & actually explain why the opinions forwarded are held. The Harry the liar thing?? what can I say but sorry & point out it's ALL on topic for this NG. besides I thought seeing a small sample of his lies in one hit might bring back memories, sorry again:-) Please don't ban me for a month I've apologised:-) Thanks for your input. Welcome hope you are happy with your purchase or happy if you don't. K -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
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Rich Stern wrote:
Is this a recent or past observation? Do you have an example? Polar makes a wide range of boats, in plants owned by different organizations. The polar skiffs that are built to compete with the carolina skiffs have suffered from hull cracks What does that mean? What type of cracks? Structural cracks on the transom? Gelcoat cracking on the pad? An epidemic of 3 of every 5 boats produced? 2 out of 100? Did they split while on the trailer? In rough water use? A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Now, I'm not talking about hull side liners, because these boats don't have any. But they do have a false floor, so to speak, underneath which is flotation and hull stiffening assembly. There also were problems with the consoles and seats separating from the hulls. Whether this is endemic to the Polar line, I don't know. They're pretty cheaply made boats, though, and as rough and ready as Carolina Skiffs are, the Polars I've seen seem shabbier. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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K Smith wrote:
Rich Stern wrote: As I recall you subscribe to "lets take a vote" theory for resolving technical matters, which as demonstrated over the years here is risky (ask anyone who bought a ficht or optimax, even if it didn't fail they still took a bath). Huh? Since when is asking for opinions equivalent to taking votes on solving technical matters? I am not out to "solve" anything. I am looking for input that adds to my knowledge. No voting required. I write the check, so I make the choice. Clearly I agree with this & will leave the comment there. Slammed to the mat again, eh, butch? Regarding your assessment about the plant visit. I don't expect to pass judgement on specific boat building details that I cannot grasp without a lot more time and training than a couple of visiting hours will provide. However, I can see things, like the grid, hull and deck before assembly, that are unavailable to me otherwise. I have a practised business eye which will allow me to assess some of the quality and process details at the plant. And I'll have a Q&A opportunity that will far exceed any Q&A I can do with a dealer.. Yes this is true but is was in the premises of assessing the stringer config that I made the "not much use" comment. Obviously anyone there will spruiking the merits of whatever they do. And yet again, you're slammed to the mat, eh, butch? How could any of these things not gain me a more informed opinion of the product than just kicking trailer tires at a dealership? Any information is better than that given by a dealer & yes I do agree you can make a whole of Co assessment if that's required, although it probably shouldn't be. And for the third time, you're backed into the corner and slammed down on the mat, eh, butch? And, finally, a request: Please manage your cut and paste a little better. Your reply mixes responses to Harry with your response to me, and I prefer to not be in between as you two exchange your sixth or seventh thousandth broadside. Well you've been gone a while & sorry if my "style" isn't to your liking, however I have tried to give "input" & actually explain why the opinions forwarded are held. You don't have any "style," butch. You're just a jealous, whining butch. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Now, I'm not talking about hull side liners, because these boats don't have any. But they do have a false floor, so to speak, underneath which is flotation and hull stiffening assembly. There also were problems with the consoles and seats separating from the hulls. Whether this is endemic to the Polar line, I don't know. They're pretty cheaply made boats, though, and as rough and ready as Carolina Skiffs are, the Polars I've seen seem shabbier. OK, this is more useful info. When did this happen? -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
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Rich Stern wrote:
A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Now, I'm not talking about hull side liners, because these boats don't have any. But they do have a false floor, so to speak, underneath which is flotation and hull stiffening assembly. There also were problems with the consoles and seats separating from the hulls. Whether this is endemic to the Polar line, I don't know. They're pretty cheaply made boats, though, and as rough and ready as Carolina Skiffs are, the Polars I've seen seem shabbier. OK, this is more useful info. When did this happen? Mid 1990s. I almost bought one. After my guide friend got his and I went out fishing with him, I thought I'd pick up one for inshore fishing. I checked them out at a local dealer, but I didn't like the looks of the skiffs as they came from the factory. Also, the dealer only handled Suzuki outboards, and they were not a line I'd consider. If I were still living in Florida along the east coast and the ICW, I'd definitely get a Carolina Skiff for ICW, inshore and creek fishing. You simply don't need any more boat than that, and that kind of fishing is fabulous in parts of Florida. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
Rich Stern wrote: A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Now, I'm not talking about hull side liners, because these boats don't have any. But they do have a false floor, so to speak, underneath which is flotation and hull stiffening assembly. There also were problems with the consoles and seats separating from the hulls. Whether this is endemic to the Polar line, I don't know. They're pretty cheaply made boats, though, and as rough and ready as Carolina Skiffs are, the Polars I've seen seem shabbier. OK, this is more useful info. When did this happen? Mid 1990s. I almost bought one. After my guide friend got his and I went out fishing with him, I thought I'd pick up one for inshore fishing. I checked them out at a local dealer, but I didn't like the looks of the skiffs as they came from the factory. Also, the dealer only handled Suzuki outboards, and they were not a line I'd consider. If I were still living in Florida along the east coast and the ICW, I'd definitely get a Carolina Skiff for ICW, inshore and creek fishing. You simply don't need any more boat than that, and that kind of fishing is fabulous in parts of Florida. Rich seeing you appear serious about buying one of these & intend close contact with the actual supplier might I suggest/request you print out these stories from Harry (including the FULL headers, most important in these premises:-)) & when you talk to the factory give them a copy so as a matter of natural justice they may comment??? I mean a "small" fleet all failing within 90 days surely they know about it???? You'd already put the liar on notice that just the isolated incident wouldn't do, so hey presto he says he "knows" of a small fleet, a fleet of these no less!!! & ALL were defective within 90 days AND of course he reminds you they weren't used in rough water!! I don't expect you will of course; but I can ask:-), please report their answers, particularly as regards Harry's story, because it has all the hallmarks of another of his desperate lies when cornered. K |
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K Smith wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: Rich Stern wrote: A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Now, I'm not talking about hull side liners, because these boats don't have any. But they do have a false floor, so to speak, underneath which is flotation and hull stiffening assembly. There also were problems with the consoles and seats separating from the hulls. Whether this is endemic to the Polar line, I don't know. They're pretty cheaply made boats, though, and as rough and ready as Carolina Skiffs are, the Polars I've seen seem shabbier. OK, this is more useful info. When did this happen? Mid 1990s. I almost bought one. After my guide friend got his and I went out fishing with him, I thought I'd pick up one for inshore fishing. I checked them out at a local dealer, but I didn't like the looks of the skiffs as they came from the factory. Also, the dealer only handled Suzuki outboards, and they were not a line I'd consider. If I were still living in Florida along the east coast and the ICW, I'd definitely get a Carolina Skiff for ICW, inshore and creek fishing. You simply don't need any more boat than that, and that kind of fishing is fabulous in parts of Florida. Rich seeing you appear serious about buying one of these & intend close contact with the actual supplier might I suggest/request you print out these stories from Harry (including the FULL headers, most important in these premises:-)) & when you talk to the factory give them a copy so as a matter of natural justice they may comment??? I mean a "small" fleet all failing within 90 days surely they know about it???? Poor, pathetic Karen, grasping, grasping, grasping. "Oh, yeah...I was going to buy one of them there Taipain Diesel Outboards, but when I saw one on the back of a really crappy boat, why the engine was all rusted, and when the really ugly, fat old broad started her up, it sounded like a bucket of bolts, and it was belching smoke of many colors...naw, I didn't buy one." You'd already put the liar on notice that just the isolated incident wouldn't do, so hey presto he says he "knows" of a small fleet, a fleet of these no less!!! & ALL were defective within 90 days AND of course he reminds you they weren't used in rough water!! I don't expect you will of course; but I can ask:-), please report their answers, particularly as regards Harry's story, because it has all the hallmarks of another of his desperate lies when cornered. K -- Email sent to is never read. |
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K Smith wrote:
Harry Krause wrote Poor, pathetic Karen, grasping, grasping, grasping. "Oh, yeah...I was going to buy one of them there Taipain Diesel Outboards, but when I saw one on the back of a really crappy boat, why the engine was all rusted, and when the really ugly, fat old broad started her up, it sounded like a bucket of bolts, and it was belching smoke of many colors...naw, I didn't buy one." You see Harry the subtle but important difference??? in this post as usual you say untrue crap, but it's pretty clear you say it with NO knowledge whatsoever. Occasionally you stretch it trying to be believed, but hey I don't care, being the only OB manufacturer here & the only diesel OB manufacturer in my HP range anywhere, I'm happy enough, almost smug:-)......... almost. You're an outboard motor manufacturer? Where's your factory? Describe your distribution system. Who are your dealers? Where is your literature? Where are the news articles about the "Taipan" diesel outboard? How many outboards have you produced? Who has bought them? Got any sold in the United States? Anyone who might show us one? You are full of crap, Karen. The only references to a "Taipan" diesel I could find referred to model airplane engines. Here's the reference: "For the benefit of our American readers, influenced by our then still strong British ties, diesels maintained a strong presence in control-line in Australia during the late 60's, particularly at an entry level. It was a time when temptingly boxed c/l kits still dominated the local hobby shop display shelves, and finding pre-mxed diesel fuel wasn't akin to a search for the Holy Grail. For many kids of the era, their first or second engine would frequently have been a 1.5cc or 2.5cc Taipan diesel manufactured locally by Gordon Burford, the local fame equivalent of Duke Fox and our our local living legend. It was the end of a time when, although prohibited, kids could still get away with flying a control-line model in the park without someone calling the police." Taipan diesel outboard indeed. You registered a trade name used by someone else. I was always careful to make sure my ficht & optimax comments were couched in terms as "our opinion" "Our" opinion? There's a laugh. or " surely they must have been told", indeed I'm pretty sure OMC even had a look at it at one time after one of your dumb dealer mates complained:-) What an ego you have. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote: Rich Stern wrote: A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. Now, I'm not talking about hull side liners, because these boats don't have any. But they do have a false floor, so to speak, underneath which is flotation and hull stiffening assembly. There also were problems with the consoles and seats separating from the hulls. Whether this is endemic to the Polar line, I don't know. They're pretty cheaply made boats, though, and as rough and ready as Carolina Skiffs are, the Polars I've seen seem shabbier. OK, this is more useful info. When did this happen? Mid 1990s. I almost bought one. After my guide friend got his and I went out fishing with him, I thought I'd pick up one for inshore fishing. I checked them out at a local dealer, but I didn't like the looks of the skiffs as they came from the factory. Also, the dealer only handled Suzuki outboards, and they were not a line I'd consider. If I were still living in Florida along the east coast and the ICW, I'd definitely get a Carolina Skiff for ICW, inshore and creek fishing. You simply don't need any more boat than that, and that kind of fishing is fabulous in parts of Florida. Rich seeing you appear serious about buying one of these & intend close contact with the actual supplier might I suggest/request you print out these stories from Harry (including the FULL headers, most important in these premises:-)) & when you talk to the factory give them a copy so as a matter of natural justice they may comment??? I mean a "small" fleet all failing within 90 days surely they know about it???? Poor, pathetic Karen, grasping, grasping, grasping. "Oh, yeah...I was going to buy one of them there Taipain Diesel Outboards, but when I saw one on the back of a really crappy boat, why the engine was all rusted, and when the really ugly, fat old broad started her up, it sounded like a bucket of bolts, and it was belching smoke of many colors...naw, I didn't buy one." You see Harry the subtle but important difference??? in this post as usual you say untrue crap, but it's pretty clear you say it with NO knowledge whatsoever. Occasionally you stretch it trying to be believed, but hey I don't care, being the only OB manufacturer here & the only diesel OB manufacturer in my HP range anywhere, I'm happy enough, almost smug:-)......... almost. I was always careful to make sure my ficht & optimax comments were couched in terms as "our opinion" or " surely they must have been told", indeed I'm pretty sure OMC even had a look at it at one time after one of your dumb dealer mates complained:-) Ah..... they were the days, you know sometimes I almost wish I hadn't been right about Ficht & optimax, I do miss the dopey duo dealer tag team's spam. In making up this lie to try to convince Rich NOT to buy the specific boat he's interested in you've resorted to a lie which involves a specific incident of some magnitude (a fleet ALL failing within 90 days!!!) & as such your post might cost them at least one sale (Rich's) although I suspect their lawyers will argue many more & a large sum of money, more than a unionist's I've got a bad back pension will cover. Don't worry I very much doubt Rich will show them your lies, although he definitely should before he drops their boat from his list. Even if he does still don't be too concerned because their lawyers will give you ample opportunity at discoveries to give the name(s) dates places who was there what was saids of it all, for where you got this story you're now spreading internationally to damage them & hey some of them might have more than a unionist's bad back pension to grab???. The really good news for you is that truth in these premises is a perfect defense!!! Your fake & constantly changing posting IDs are a doddle to untangle but hey to someone or ones awarding damages with costs in the future, it does appear you know it's a lie & you're deliberately trying to cause this Co damage on a false premise & then not be found for account??? Dear dear dear, I see why you're concerned; OK maybe eat your liver just a little:-) K You'd already put the liar on notice that just the isolated incident wouldn't do, so hey presto he says he "knows" of a small fleet, a fleet of these no less!!! & ALL were defective within 90 days AND of course he reminds you they weren't used in rough water!! I don't expect you will of course; but I can ask:-), please report their answers, particularly as regards Harry's story, because it has all the hallmarks of another of his desperate lies when cornered. K |
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Rich seeing you appear serious about buying one of these & intend close
contact with the actual supplier might I suggest/request you print out these stories from Harry (including the FULL headers, most important in these premises:-)) & when you talk to the factory give them a copy so as a matter of natural justice they may comment??? I mean a "small" fleet all failing within 90 days surely they know about it???? You'd already put the liar on notice that just the isolated incident wouldn't do, so hey presto he says he "knows" of a small fleet, a fleet of these no less!!! & ALL were defective within 90 days AND of course he reminds you they weren't used in rough water!! I don't expect you will of course; but I can ask:-), please report their answers, particularly as regards Harry's story, because it has all the hallmarks of another of his desperate lies when cornered. K Karen, you need to get a hold of yourself. I have a life, work, family, friends, interests, that are far more important to me than the assortment of data streams you and Harry hurl at each other. If I use the information, it won't be to start an internet libel case. I am considering a boat purchase. That's what I care about in this context. If Harry's information is false, inaccurate, or otherwise not useful, that's the end of that line of questioning. I expect Polar has changed hands since 1996, and/or, the skiffs in question are not even built by the same company that builds the bay models. The two of you should either get over each other or have an affair. -- Rich Stern www.nitroowners.com - The Nitro and Tracker Owners Web Site www.mypontoon.com - The Pontoon Boat Web Site www.fishingreportdatabase.com - The Fishing Report Database www.mysporttrac.com - The Sport Trac Web Site |
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Rich Stern wrote:
Rich seeing you appear serious about buying one of these & intend close contact with the actual supplier might I suggest/request you print out these stories from Harry (including the FULL headers, most important in these premises:-)) & when you talk to the factory give them a copy so as a matter of natural justice they may comment??? I mean a "small" fleet all failing within 90 days surely they know about it???? You'd already put the liar on notice that just the isolated incident wouldn't do, so hey presto he says he "knows" of a small fleet, a fleet of these no less!!! & ALL were defective within 90 days AND of course he reminds you they weren't used in rough water!! I don't expect you will of course; but I can ask:-), please report their answers, particularly as regards Harry's story, because it has all the hallmarks of another of his desperate lies when cornered. K Karen, you need to get a hold of yourself. I have a life, work, family, friends, interests, that are far more important to me than the assortment of data streams you and Harry hurl at each other. If I use the information, it won't be to start an internet libel case. I am considering a boat purchase. That's what I care about in this context. If Harry's information is false, inaccurate, or otherwise not useful, that's the end of that line of questioning. I expect Polar has changed hands since 1996, and/or, the skiffs in question are not even built by the same company that builds the bay models. My commment was directed only towards the skiffs of the mid-1990s. I've not paid any attention to Polar boats since then. The two of you should either get over each other or have an affair. I'm afraid she's obsessed and is in need of professional help. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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K Smith wrote:
Harry Krause wrote: K Smith wrote: You're an outboard motor manufacturer? I like to keep my nails in good order so just like the people who run any other of the manufacturers I don't physically manufacture anything, but save that caveat. But you claimed to be an outboard motor manufacturer. Now you say you aren't. Well, that clears taht up. Yep definitely an OB manufacturer, there's a pic of the first, you've seen it for years so again that's for sure, I'm an OB "manufacturer" I accept there's nothing in the pic that confirms it as a diesel, sadly other than it's size:-) but hey. You mean, you watched some guys weld someone else's diesel onto a jury-rigged lower unit? That does not make you a manufacturer. Where's your factory? None of your business (it's not "mine"). Uh-huh. Then you are not a manufacturer as you claimed. Describe your distribution system. At this stage it's been word of mouth, we have no trouble with people wanting them, to the extent it's an annoyance to the blokes because I'm a bit conservative. Oh, sure. How many have you built and sold? Who are your dealers? If & it's still an "if" I decide to make it a bigger operation there will be no dealers not ever. Even better. The plan would be to advertise & anyone who wanted one would buy direct & be supplied direct from stock held in distribution warehouses at various locations. Dealers in general are parasites on society, yes they rip consumers off for at least 20% but that's the tip of the iceberg, they also rip their suppliers off whenever they can get away with it. So NO dealers. Likely because no dealer would deal with you. Where is your literature? There is some but not for you, nor anyone other than locals who are likely to actually buy & "if" I did go offshore I want to maintain complete control over the marketing, i.e. no dealer types "have I got a deal for you" & all I need do is give them some "rights". Heheheh. Right. Where are the news articles about the "Taipan" diesel outboard? I've not "promoted" them in any manner other than as I said word of mouth. Uh-huh. Sure. How many outboards have you produced? A "few" I'm not making any claims, but enough for me to justify the venture to myself, thus far. Who has bought them? Mainly commercial users, heavy things like work barges, & net fishermen, but this is partly related to them so far being diesels. The next lot are going to include petrol 4 strokes & yes, before you throw your so called bad back out, we're hoping they'll be instantly EPA compliant because of the core engine. Uh-huh. Got any sold in the United States? Anyone who might show us one? No none, haven't tried, however it's a big place & I'm always surprised the interest people show. Till lately I got regular emails asking questions & wanting more info. Changed my email to stop spam. I'll bet. You are full of crap, Karen. The only references to a "Taipan" diesel I could find referred to model airplane engines. Here's the reference: "For the benefit of our American readers, influenced by our then still strong British ties, diesels maintained a strong presence in control-line in Australia during the late 60's, particularly at an entry level. It was a time when temptingly boxed c/l kits still dominated the local hobby shop display shelves, and finding pre-mxed diesel fuel wasn't akin to a search for the Holy Grail. The blokes tell me it was just ether from the chemist & caster oil??? For many kids of the era, their first or second engine would frequently have been a 1.5cc or 2.5cc Taipan diesel manufactured locally by Gordon Burford, the local fame equivalent of Duke Fox and our our local living legend. It was the end of a time when, although prohibited, kids could still get away with flying a control-line model in the park without someone calling the police." Gee this is getting to you isn't it?? well done:-) Naw. Easy to find. The only reference, as it were, to a "Taipan diesel" Taipan diesel outboard indeed. Again how do you deal with the fact that you've seen one on the rec.boats page???? what the fairies manufactured it??? It was an ugly piece of crap that could have been anything. Looked like it was welded by a first-year student. You registered a trade name used by someone else. I do license the use to others which is expected as I hold the trade marks in my own personal name. Even my own blokes within my own corp, have a "license" when they use it. Someone else used the name Taipan diesel before you did. And in Australia. Are you infringing? Karen, straight to your face, on your monitor. You are full of crap. You're no more a "manufacturer" of diesel outboard motors than I am a heart surgeon. Find yourself another fantasy. -- Email sent to is never read. |
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Harry Krause wrote:
K Smith wrote: Harry Krause wrote Poor, pathetic Karen, grasping, grasping, grasping. "Oh, yeah...I was going to buy one of them there Taipain Diesel Outboards, but when I saw one on the back of a really crappy boat, why the engine was all rusted, and when the really ugly, fat old broad started her up, it sounded like a bucket of bolts, and it was belching smoke of many colors...naw, I didn't buy one." You see Harry the subtle but important difference??? in this post as usual you say untrue crap, but it's pretty clear you say it with NO knowledge whatsoever. Occasionally you stretch it trying to be believed, but hey I don't care, being the only OB manufacturer here & the only diesel OB manufacturer in my HP range anywhere, I'm happy enough, almost smug:-)......... almost. You're an outboard motor manufacturer? I like to keep my nails in good order so just like the people who run any other of the manufacturers I don't physically manufacture anything, but save that caveat. Yep definitely an OB manufacturer, there's a pic of the first, you've seen it for years so again that's for sure, I'm an OB "manufacturer" I accept there's nothing in the pic that confirms it as a diesel, sadly other than it's size:-) but hey. Where's your factory? None of your business (it's not "mine"). Describe your distribution system. At this stage it's been word of mouth, we have no trouble with people wanting them, to the extent it's an annoyance to the blokes because I'm a bit conservative. Who are your dealers? If & it's still an "if" I decide to make it a bigger operation there will be no dealers not ever. The plan would be to advertise & anyone who wanted one would buy direct & be supplied direct from stock held in distribution warehouses at various locations. Dealers in general are parasites on society, yes they rip consumers off for at least 20% but that's the tip of the iceberg, they also rip their suppliers off whenever they can get away with it. So NO dealers. Warranties can be handled by any competent mechanics shop, marine or not & at this stage it seems the "preferred" option will be the core engine suppliers. We've put great effort into making sure the core engine is totally serviceable by anyone who can service the auto/truck version of the same engine. No "special" dealer only digi boxes, setups etc. & the rest is straight forward with "full" info supplied with the motor or we'll have it online anyway. Where is your literature? There is some but not for you, nor anyone other than locals who are likely to actually buy & "if" I did go offshore I want to maintain complete control over the marketing, i.e. no dealer types "have I got a deal for you" & all I need do is give them some "rights". Where are the news articles about the "Taipan" diesel outboard? I've not "promoted" them in any manner other than as I said word of mouth. How many outboards have you produced? A "few" I'm not making any claims, but enough for me to justify the venture to myself, thus far. Who has bought them? Mainly commercial users, heavy things like work barges, & net fishermen, but this is partly related to them so far being diesels. The next lot are going to include petrol 4 strokes & yes, before you throw your so called bad back out, we're hoping they'll be instantly EPA compliant because of the core engine. Got any sold in the United States? Anyone who might show us one? No none, haven't tried, however it's a big place & I'm always surprised the interest people show. Till lately I got regular emails asking questions & wanting more info. Changed my email to stop spam. You are full of crap, Karen. How can you say that?? unlike you I don't make "claims" & never have; further to the extent I wish to I've answered your questions, plus of course there's a pic of one which you've had for what?? over 5 yrs?? Compare this with you; you've never not once been able to verify any of your lies, indeed you even got caught trying to pass a web page pic of a Hatt 43 off as "your" boat, you are just a sad old lefty liar, that's all. The only references to a "Taipan" diesel I could find referred to model airplane engines. Here's the reference: "For the benefit of our American readers, influenced by our then still strong British ties, diesels maintained a strong presence in control-line in Australia during the late 60's, particularly at an entry level. It was a time when temptingly boxed c/l kits still dominated the local hobby shop display shelves, and finding pre-mxed diesel fuel wasn't akin to a search for the Holy Grail. The blokes tell me it was just ether from the chemist & caster oil??? For many kids of the era, their first or second engine would frequently have been a 1.5cc or 2.5cc Taipan diesel manufactured locally by Gordon Burford, the local fame equivalent of Duke Fox and our our local living legend. It was the end of a time when, although prohibited, kids could still get away with flying a control-line model in the park without someone calling the police." Gee this is getting to you isn't it?? well done:-) Taipan diesel outboard indeed. Again how do you deal with the fact that you've seen one on the rec.boats page???? what the fairies manufactured it??? You registered a trade name used by someone else. I do license the use to others which is expected as I hold the trade marks in my own personal name. Even my own blokes within my own corp, have a "license" when they use it. I was always careful to make sure my ficht & optimax comments were couched in terms as "our opinion" "Our" opinion? There's a laugh. Amusing or no it's true, but hey go back & have look, unlike you I let all my posts get archived because I have nothing to fear, absolutely nothing, whereas you hide your ID behind fake headers because you're a cowardly liar. or " surely they must have been told", indeed I'm pretty sure OMC even had a look at it at one time after one of your dumb dealer mates complained:-) What an ego you have. Yes I probably agree however it's hard to stay too humble after Ficht & to a lesser extent optimax went exactly as I told the NG they would as soon as they were released:-) To date you've always been in denial about this so find just one reference that predates mine & tells the world Ficht particularly won't/can't work & even more importantly points out exactly why:-) Yes I'm extremely proud of my blokes over this & don't mind saying so, gives me huge confidence. Errr HArry??? are you finished??? you don't appear to have signed off?? Was there a knock on the door & you're hiding under the couch fearful it's Polar's lawyers with service??? OH well................. tell ya what I'll paste just a small sample of your lies again for you, just to round off the conversation. But when you come back all abusive as you usually do, please don't snip them, you never snip save for your lies; why???? Here's some of Harry's lies for you, just to bring back old memories:-) Here's just some of his prior lies (in his own words pasted); I sold off nearly $3,000,000 in new motors and boats, depressing the new boat industry in southern Connecticut for an entire season. Everything was sold...every cotter pin, every quart of oil, 30 days after I started. For near full-retail, too. He had just under $1,000,000 on floor plan with a syndicate of banks led by National Shawmut of Boston. He had been a solid customer of that back for more than 20 years and they gave him great rates. As far as your other complaints, well, almost every president in my memory, and I *remember* Truman, Eisenhower (who cheated on his wife), Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush, lied and participated in deceit to one degree or another, and on issues far more important than who was giving them blow jobs. Good lord. I met *every* president in the damned group except Bush, and I worked once for his father. My father used to pray that the north shore of LI Sound would be hit by a mild hurricane. No one injured, no on-shore property damaged, but lots of boats sunk. Preferably early in July. We had the Hatteras for two years. Last year, out of the cold clear, a broker approached me with an offer to buy. Our continued Florida lifestyle was somewhat up in the air, because the two breadwinners hereabouts were about to be offered long-term but temporary assignments they could not refuse in the Washington, D.C., area. So, after being romanced a little, we sold the Hatt for almost precisely what we paid for it. Not bad, after two full years of use. And I mean full years. So, we didn't "make" any money off the Hatt, but we didn't lose any, either. The proceeds were prudently invested. The PWC was won as a prize in a raffle. Never mind that. Why does he have a Bilgeliner in front of his office? Is it a display of "Boating Don'ts?" Yeah, when we were in the boat biz, my father always had one or two "around the back" that he was forced to take in trade. These were sold as "as is, where is." He made sure the engine would start and run. Beyond that, it was up to the prospective buyer to decide if he wanted it. They moved off the lot pretty quickly, partially because my dad's main store was on a highly trafficked commercial route with lots of manufacturing and machining and aerospace plants near by. In those days, workers at these places could fix anything. Actually, Dipper, I don't think my father ever saw a Bayliner. But he still called bumpers bumpers. -- Bayliner wined and dined my father a half dozen times to entice him into becoming its dealer. His operation was the largest small boat dealership in its area of New England, and for 30 years, he was the *exclusive* Evinrude dealer in a densely populated coastal county. He also handled Mercuries. He never liked Bayliners, and referred to them as "jerry-built." From 1947 until he died, he sold more than 500 outboard motors a year from his stores, accounting for a reasonably high percentage of *all* outboards sold in his home state for those years. This is a killer. My father was in the boat business dating back to right after the Big War. When he died and I was looking through his warehouse, I found wrapped in a nuclear fall-out bag (no kidding), a brand-new 1949 Evinrude 8015 50 hp outboard. The motor was a gift to my father from Evinrude for winning some outboard stock utility or hydroplane race. I gave the motor to a friend of my dad's, who worked at the shop as head mechanic. I don't believe he ever used it and I'm sure it is still brand-new. I have no idea who might own it now. He also built boats, and I worked on a few, both wood, glass covered wood and all fiberglass. After he died, however, we sold the biz and I've just been an occasional boat owner. Besides, I worked off and on in the boat business and inherited it when he died. So, as I said, I'm knee-deep in boat heritage. Oh, and I had some friends who died in the service, too, but it wasn't for what they believed in. They were drafted, shipped to Vietnam and came back in body bags. During the war, he turned out experimental brass shell casings for the Army and hopped up outboards for the Navy, which wanted to use them on smaller landing craft. I had photos at one time of my father with Ole Evinrude himself. My mother knew one of Evinrude's wives...she was a minor movie star or singer...I forgot which. Maybe both. Have you ever sailed from San Francisco to Hawaii? I have. Have you ever rounded Cape Horn? I have, twice. Have you ever transited the Panama Canal? I have. Have you owned more than 20 boats in your lifetime? I have. Have you ever sailed large boats competitively? I have. Have you ever been hundreds of miles from land in a powerboat under your command? I have. My father and his chief mechanic once crossed the Atlantic in winter in a 22' boat powered by twin outboards. Yes, it is possible, even the fuel. Got a "fireboat" welcome in NYC. Here are some: Hatteras 43' sportfish Swan 41' racing/cruising sloop Morgan 33 O'Day 30 Cruisers, Inc., Mackinac 22 Century Coronado Bill Luders 16, as sweet a sailboat as ever caught a breeze. Century 19' wood lapstrake with side wheel steering Cruisers, Inc. 18' and 16' wood lapstrakes Wolverines. Molded plywood. Gorgeous. Several. 14,15,17 footers with various Evinrudes Lighting class sailboat Botved Coronet with twin 50 hp Evinrudes. Interesting boat. Aristocraft (a piece of junk...13', fast, held together with spit) Alcort Sunfish Ancarrow Marine Aquiflyer. 22' footer with two Caddy Crusaders. Guaranteed 60 mph. In the late 1950's. Skimmar brand skiff Arkansas Traveler fiberglass bowrider (I think it was a bowrider) Dyer Dhow Su-Mark round bilge runabout, fiberglass Penn Yan runabouts. Wood. Old Town wood and canvas canoe Old Town sailing canoe...different than above canoe Sometime in the early 1960s, I was driving back from Ft. Leonard Wood to Kansas City in a nice old MGA I owned at the time. About halfway home it started raining heavily, I turned on the wipers, and EVERY SINGLE electrical accessory and light in the car flashed on, there was a large popping sound and it all blew out at once. And the car caught fire. I pulled over to the side of the road, watched the fire, removed my license plate and hitched on home. For all I know, that old MGA is still there. Sure was a pretty little car. Puh-lease, Karen. You've not seen nor have I ever posted one example of my professional writings on building structure and the effects on it of hurricane-force winds and seismic activity. I haven't done any of these in at least 10 year, but at the time I was field researching, photographing and writing these reports, they were quite accurate, topical and well-received by their intended audiences. A small fleet of Polar skiffs were purchased by an inshore bait, tackle and boat rental business on the ICW in NE Florida. These boats were not used on open waters. Within 90 days, cracks developed in the liners that also served as the deck over the flotation in the bottom of the hulls. A guide I know, one whose boats and engines are supplied to him by manufacturers, also had a Polar skiff go bad on him for the same reasons -liner and then hull fractures. |
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