In article , says...

"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:40:06 -0700, jps wrote

That's a man of honor.

Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite
disingenuous on a number of fronts.

McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the 80's.

Yes, I do as a matter of fact. They were Republicans who took advantage
of bank deregulation that was pushed by Ronnie Raygun.

Cost the country billions of dollars in a bailout.

Since Keating was a rich Republican with lots of interests in Arizona,
it's only natural that McCain would've been in the dole queue.

He's still a good measure more honorable than the customary scumbag in
American politics.

In article , says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Then you would be wrong.

That's easy to measure.

Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the guy
who's
dead, does not support him?


More than half of them.

Huh?

I'm pretty sure it's 11 of the 12 he served with (on two boats).

NONE of the swiftboatvetsfortruth of whatever the hell they're called
served with Kerry.

jps

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:43 -0700, jps wrote:

In article , says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Then you would be wrong.

That's easy to measure.

Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the guy
who's
dead, does not support him?


More than half of them.

Huh?

I'm pretty sure it's 11 of the 12 he served with (on two boats).

NONE of the swiftboatvetsfortruth of whatever the hell they're called
served with Kerry.

jps

Hey...*I* was on active duty in the Navy in 1967-1969.

*I* must have served with Kerry, too!

Joe Parsons

In article ,
says...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:53:43 -0700, jps wrote:

In article , says...

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Then you would be wrong.

That's easy to measure.

Which of the crew members who served on Kery's boat, other than the guy
who's
dead, does not support him?


More than half of them.

Huh?

I'm pretty sure it's 11 of the 12 he served with (on two boats).

NONE of the swiftboatvetsfortruth of whatever the hell they're called
served with Kerry.

jps

Hey...*I* was on active duty in the Navy in 1967-1969.

*I* must have served with Kerry, too!

Joe Parsons

So, the difference is that you're not politically motivated to
participate in a character assassination pig pile?

I find it interesting that 250 guys who didn't know Kerry are willing to
step up to heap bad juju on him while NO ONE will show up to vouch for
Bush not being AWOL.

Irony? I think so!

jps

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:26:34 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite
disingenuous on a number of fronts.

McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the
80's.

An argument can be made that it should have been the Keating Three. The
independent counsel at that time, recommended both McCain and Glenn be
dropped from the investigation. It clearly wasn't McCain's finest moment,
but perhaps, it made him a better Senator. His judgment hasn't been
perfect, but he appears to be a man of honor.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/020500/W...his_slat.shtml

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...cainbook5.html

thunder wrote:

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:26:34 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite
disingenuous on a number of fronts.

McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the
80's.

An argument can be made that it should have been the Keating Three. The
independent counsel at that time, recommended both McCain and Glenn be
dropped from the investigation. It clearly wasn't McCain's finest moment,
but perhaps, it made him a better Senator. His judgment hasn't been
perfect, but he appears to be a man of honor.

http://www.sptimes.com/News/020500/W...his_slat.shtml

http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...cainbook5.html


Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own,
who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective.




--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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thunder wrote:

On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:26:34 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


Not if you take a close look, McCain is an opportunist and quite
disingenuous on a number of fronts.

McCain of Keating Five fame. Don't you remember the S&L crisis of the
80's.

An argument can be made that it should have been the Keating Three. The
independent counsel at that time, recommended both McCain and Glenn be
dropped from the investigation. It clearly wasn't McCain's finest
moment,
but perhaps, it made him a better Senator. His judgment hasn't been
perfect, but he appears to be a man of honor.


http://www.sptimes.com/News/020500/W...his_slat.shtml


http://www.azcentral.com/specials/sp...cainbook5.html


Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own,
who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective.


Isn't it amazing that when a Republican screws up the Repbulicans are the
ones the mete out the punishment. But, when a Democrat screws up the
Democrats all get in line and say it wasn't that bad, integrity doesn't
matter.

Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own,
who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective.

Some of our conservative friends are embarrassed by McCain. Particularly when
he condemns sick, twisted, screwball attacks and dirty politics.

Nobody notices or cares when the *victim*
gripes about the low blows. The offenders can even say, "Oh, there was nothing
wrong with distorting the truth, it's just politics so it's OK. What
dirty-arsed trick can we think of for next week?"

However, when a guy on your own side says, "Hold on, that's untrue and dirty!"
it's like that pesty voice of conscience that the offenders have been
rationalizing away all along. It's uncomfortable. Nobody wants to get a good
look at their own behavior when it is reprehensible.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Isn't it amazing how these RepubliCraps go after any, even their own,
who don't toe the line? It really is a BORG-like collective.

Some of our conservative friends are embarrassed by McCain. Particularly
when
he condemns sick, twisted, screwball attacks and dirty politics.

Nobody notices or cares when the *victim*
gripes about the low blows. The offenders can even say, "Oh, there was
nothing
wrong with distorting the truth, it's just politics so it's OK. What
dirty-arsed trick can we think of for next week?"

However, when a guy on your own side says, "Hold on, that's untrue and
dirty!"
it's like that pesty voice of conscience that the offenders have been
rationalizing away all along. It's uncomfortable. Nobody wants to get a
good
look at their own behavior when it is reprehensible.



Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party?

Sort of like Zel Miller being ashamed of the tactics of the Democratic
party?


That's an excellent comparison, and it's rather frank of you to admit that the
dirt is a "tactic" of the Republican party.

If there has been a groundswell of liberal attacks on Miller, however, I've
missed it.
You don't have to go any farther into the world than this little NG to see
right wingers insulting McCain ("whiner", etc)
for trying to promote some sort of honesty in presidential politics.