"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 14, 11:46 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:


two cans with
a string between them?

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That describes my internet connection

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heh...

"Wiley" wrote in message
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On 6/15/2010 4:12 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jun 14, 11:46 pm, wrote:
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nom=de=plume wrote:

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
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I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me
that
you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.

Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are, and
you
know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid that
place.
Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me
that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as
everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is
that
20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation. And, if
you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're going to a
place
that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either avoid that
place,
get more chain, or talk to the locals before you try to anchor.

Talk to the locals? Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at
exactly
37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really be
with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the conditions
before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone, VHF, two cans
with
a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!

That's telling them, D'Plume. You're speaking like an experienced
yeoman now.

Not quite, but she's getting there. I rather enjoy these little missaves
of hers.

You're a stalker. You're probably pretty tiny also.

On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:47:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....


Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

On 6/15/2010 4:48 PM, nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wiley" wrote in message
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On 6/15/2010 4:12 AM, TopBassDog wrote:
On Jun 14, 11:46 pm, wrote:
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nom=de=plume wrote:

wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me
that
you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.

Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are,
and you
know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid that
place.
Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to
me that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as
everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain.
Is that
20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation.
And, if
you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're going to a
place
that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to either avoid that
place,
get more chain, or talk to the locals before you try to anchor.

Talk to the locals? Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at
exactly
37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can
really be
with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the
conditions
before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone, VHF, two
cans with
a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!

That's telling them, D'Plume. You're speaking like an experienced
yeoman now.

Not quite, but she's getting there. I rather enjoy these little
missaves of hers.

You're a stalker. You're probably pretty tiny also.


Tiny with respect to what? What size is ideal for you?

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:47:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure. That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....


Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:47:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:


"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:44:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's
the
point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.

The solution(s) are left as a student excercise as they become more
familiar with boats, boating, equipment and seamanship.

Hint: Necessity is the mother of invention.

So, you're unable or unwilling to answer a question? So much for your
credentials....


Student exercises have a long and honored tradition within the
educational system. Yours is due by 8:00AM Monday. Non-responders
will receive a failing grade. Extra points awarded for especially
creative solutions and solid attempts at joie de vivre/good humor.

Yep.. you're unable to answer the question. So much for your expertise.

What question? All your questions have been answered.
But you want to argue instead of learn.
In case you're still asking about how to hoist chain hand over hand if
you don't have a windlass, it goes one of two ways.
Left hand pulls, then right hand, or right hand pulls, then left hand.
So it depends which hand you start pulling with.
Let me know if that didn't answer your question.
Or maybe you want to argue about coral?

Jim - Wearing my Helpful Hat.

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Tim" wrote in message
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On Jun 14, 4:52 pm, "nom=de=plume" wrote:
"Wayne.B" wrote in message

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 15:35:13 -0400, Wiley
wrote:

Pass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all
about
coral, and ground tackle. This should be good.

Heh.

There's always more to learn but I will be filtering carefully.
:-)

So, Wayne... for someone who promotes "teaching" is this kind of
comment one
you approve of? Apparently it is, since you think he's amusing.

Yet, you have no problem scolding me about _my_ attitude...

OK, I'll jump in here. I didn't see Wayne aproving of anyone elses
comments, and I didn't see where Wayne thought the other post[s] were
amusing. But Wayne is a great sailor and not only with his Grand Banks
but is an accomplished wind sailor/racer.

I have no doubt that Wayne is a great sailor. He said it the very
last post:

jerkPass the popcorn. The dumpster Diva is going to teach Wayne all
about
jerkcoral, and ground tackle. This should be good.
wayne Heh.
wayne There's always more to learn but I will be filtering
carefully. :-)

So, was he amused or not, in your humble opinion, by the dumpster
Diva reference?


If I was to be a sail or a trawler, I wouldnt' take his advice
lightly. From what I understand the reason why there is so much chain
involved is not only to thwart scrapes that would cut a rope but the
weight of the chain helps to set the anchor. There's more than one
reason to use chain and the length of the chain than what seems to be
of face value.

Ok. And what about retrieving the chain if you don't have help from
the windlass?


You are looking at 40'+ boats without a windlass?

Keep on trollin'

Please show me where I said that. What I said was what happens if it
fails to work. So, you're just an idiot.


You never asked that question.

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 14:54:54 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

Half a boat length of chain is the recommended minimum. Most serious
cruisers are using all chain (with a snubber) for a variety of good
reasons.

Did you get a copy of Chapman's yet ? You'll learn a lot from it and
get more details than anyone here can provide:

http://www.amazon.com/Chapman-Piloti...Small-Handling

Yes, have a copy though not the latest. So, a 40' boat would have at
least
20 feet. Seems like with all chain that could get pretty heavy if
you need
to get it out without a windlass... Seems like picking a good place
with
(among other things) less likelihood of coral would mean you
wouldn't need
to have as much use for all chain.


There are a number of ways to pull a heavy anchor and chain without a
windlass, but a windlass is certainly the preferred way of doing it.
Most serious cruisers prefer all chain simply because it provides more
security when anchoring, and when you are living on your boat in
remote places, that counts for a lot. Chain sets faster because the
catenary effect reduces the angle of pull on the anchor. Chain offers
a great deal of protection from accidental or intentional
cuts/abrasion. Chain has a very high ultimate breaking strength,
etc., etc.

99 out of 100 international/offshore cruising boats can't be all
wrong. Get the big anchor, get the chain, and get the windlass
unless you intend to spend all of your time in a marina.

Interesting... I'd like to know how you would go about raising an
anchor with all that chain by hand? I didn't read anything like that
so far. You can't put the chain on a regular winch right? So, I was
thinking you would have to sail up to just above the anchor, but
that's still a lot of chain/anchor.

Not saying the cruisers are wrong... obviously they're right. I'm just
wondering how they do it, esp. in the case of mechanism failure.
That's the point of being a sailor.. dealing with adversity, etc.


If the windlass fails, you cut and run. I'll bet there are tens of
thousands of anchors on the bottom of the ocean that were stuck and the
Captain had no other choice.

nom=de=plume wrote:

"Larry" wrote in message
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nom=de=plume wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:18:24 -0700, "nom=de=plume"
wrote:

I have no doubt that coral exists in lots of places. Seems to me
that you
can almost always avoid them if you're careful.


Not always true, depends on where you are.

Seems like a contradiction to me. If it depends on where you are,
and you know there's coral "there," then you should be able to avoid
that place. Also, I said almost always... not always.

You said that "there is no real need to avoid them," but in the
previous
sentence said that they "are very sharp and abrasive." Seems to me
that
there is a real need to avoid them.

There is no need to avoid them for ecological reasons, and assuming
you have a decent length of chain attached to your anchor, as everyone
should, there is no reason to be concerned about abrasion either.

I guess it depends on the definition of "decent length" of chain. Is
that 20' or 30' or all chain or what? Seems open to interpretation.
And, if you have less than a decent amount, and you know you're
going to a place that potentially has coral, seems reasonable to
either avoid that place, get more chain, or talk to the locals
before you try to anchor.


Talk to the locals? Now that's funny!

Nom: Hi! I'm going to go on a cruise and I will be anchoring at
exactly 37.846474,-122.664127. Is that a suitable area to anchor?

Locals: Say what? You have a LOT to learn!

Lat/Lon in the SF area? Seems rather more precise than you can really
be with a GPS. I guess you'd be unable to get any info about the
conditions before you go, because you're incapable of using a phone,
VHF, two cans with a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!


Talk with the locals and good luck with that.

On Jun 15, 12:04*pm, Harry wrote:
On 6/15/10 12:55 PM, Tim wrote:



On Jun 15, 9:57 am, *wrote:
On 6/15/10 10:55 AM, Tim wrote:

On Jun 14, 11:46 pm, * *wrote:

two cans with
a string between them?

You have a LOT to learn!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That describes my internet connection

?;^ )

When did you get the other can? * * *:)

When the paper cone gave out, Obviously!

I've got a client like you who at the moment is on vacation up in maine.
His laptop blew up...literally. He used it for email, mostly. At least
15 years old. So he wanted a suggestion for a replacement. I recommended
this:

http://tinyurl.com/287hfdm

Smith-Corona Galaxis

Too modern. I DO have one of these and it's still very functional.

http://www.parmistan.com/royal.jpg