"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Dave Hall" wrote in message
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This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep everywhere,
4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine
that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats anchored
or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the
body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because they're
everywhere.


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.



And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
"Dave Hall" wrote in message
...


This will require focusing on the numbers in the paragraph.
Imagine a body of water. It's between 50 and 200 feet deep
everywhere,
4
miles wide, and the water's flat as a pancake with no wind. Imagine
that
it
has an East side and a West side. For whatever reason, the fishing's
terrific on the East side along the shore. There are 20 boats
anchored
or
drifting in a zone from the shore to a half mile out. Not a sound. A
penis
boat is flying back and forth within 1/4 mile of those boats, over
and
over
again, when it could be doing its thing on the opposite side of the
body
of
water. Forget the wake. Pretend it does not exist. Focus on the
noise.

This is NOT what you like to call a "straw man".

It's a perfect example of a strawman. It does not reflect reality.

Sorry, Dave, but this refers to Lake George. The same scenario repeats
itself on Seneca Lake, Cayuga Lake, Canandaigua Lake, Conesus Lake, and
plenty of others.

Assuming that you're 100% factual, and have not injected any bias or
prejudice into your "strawman", the fact that ONE guy acts like an
idiot does not translate to the whole sport being subject to the same
prejudice.

The "one guy" must have a lot of cousins who think alike, because
they're
everywhere.


Why does the
owner of the penis boat not understand the situation?

You are projecting the actions of jetski's onto those of performance
boat operators.

Nobody mentioned jetskis.



And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.



I'm not stepping into THAT subject! :-)

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.



It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet,
but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front
of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.



It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill



Maybe, but if the sailboat's approaching a hazard like a sand bar and HAS to
turn, you may have to use common sense and let him do what's necessary. The
hell with the law.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet,
but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in
front
of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.



It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill



Maybe, but if the sailboat's approaching a hazard like a sand bar and HAS
to
turn, you may have to use common sense and let him do what's necessary.
The
hell with the law.



We have them turn in front of power boats in the middle of San Francisco
bay. No sandbar for at least 1 mile in any direction. Those who challenge
the big freighters under the Golden Gate bridge are in 200'+ water.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be
quiet,
but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in
front
of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet
25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.



It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we
are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill



Maybe, but if the sailboat's approaching a hazard like a sand bar and
HAS
to
turn, you may have to use common sense and let him do what's necessary.
The
hell with the law.



We have them turn in front of power boats in the middle of San Francisco
bay. No sandbar for at least 1 mile in any direction. Those who
challenge
the big freighters under the Golden Gate bridge are in 200'+ water.



So, get on the radio and say something to the captain instead of bitching
about it here.

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
news

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be
quiet,
but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in
front
of
a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet
25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.



It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we
are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill



Maybe, but if the sailboat's approaching a hazard like a sand bar and
HAS
to
turn, you may have to use common sense and let him do what's
necessary.
The
hell with the law.



We have them turn in front of power boats in the middle of San Francisco
bay. No sandbar for at least 1 mile in any direction. Those who
challenge
the big freighters under the Golden Gate bridge are in 200'+ water.



So, get on the radio and say something to the captain instead of bitching
about it here.



They probably also do not listen to the radio. Sort of like your bitching
here about politics.

Calif Bill wrote:

"Don White" wrote in message
...

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but
their tendency to

think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of

a

power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.


If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.




It is up to you not to make changes in front of another boat! If we are
overtaking, the rules say we can expect you to hold course.
Bill


In reality, there are things you don't know about sailing if you
think that sailboats have the same freedom to manoevre as do power
boats.

The facts remain that it is impossible for a sailboat to persue,
close with, and ram a powerboat. Vice versa not so. All you have to
do is lean a little on the wheel, and keep clear. What's the big
deal? In a narrow channel you should be going slow, anyway. The
regulations say so, and they are right, because the depth, current
and wind have a very great influence on sailors, influences to which
most power boaters are completely oblivious, as many are to their
wake. Please pass behind if you can. If you don't understand that a
sailor may have no choise but to go about if his course and the wind
are pushing him into water shallower than is safe, then you need
some educating as to the nature of life on the sea, Billy.

Sailboats are only one of the hazards you are expected to know about.

Aargh!

Nobody really wants to cause a collision just to annoy you.

Besides, you must keep clear just as you would if you were passing
another power boat. Would you want to pass close by at shocking
speed just for fun? Would you take a chance that he would behave
perfectly? Or, have you seen powerboaters that should be grounded, too?

Please don't adopt the view that all sailors are out to annoy you.
Go sailing with someone and see for yourself.

Terry K

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:12:20 GMT, something compelled "Don White"
, to say:


"Calif Bill" wrote in message
news:b7vSc.18339 And nobody mentioned sailboats. They may be quiet, but
their tendency to
think that they own the water, and can make a 90 degree turn in front of a
power boat, whether the powerboat is doing a loud 60 or a quiet 25.

If you are overtaking us it's your responsibility to stay clear.

If you are overtaken, it's your responsibility to not do anything
unexpected.